Evolution of what?

YoursTrue said:

I have a pretty good idea of the theory. No one knows everything about all the details of the theory. I ask questions as many people would. So maybe it's you that needs to observe the ninth commandment here.

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As @TagliatelliMonster pointed out your use of the "gorillas keep on being gorillas" argument against evolution debunks your claim.

Subduction Zone said:

As @TagliatelliMonster pointed out your use of the "gorillas keep on being gorillas" argument against evolution debunks your claim.

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No it doesn't. But if you say so, that's how it is for you. Brain sizes got bigger which is why humans are so different intellectually from bonobos, gorillas etc. right? There is a difference between humans and chimpanzees brainwise. And in a way you keep putting yourself down with your answers.

TLK Valentine said:

It's a lot easier to explain rational beliefs than irrational ones.

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So you are saying that those who believe in evolution and God concurrently have an irrational belief about God and therefore cannot explain their belief in God rationally. (Also @Subduction Zone -- don't want to leave you out.

Subduction Zone said:

As @TagliatelliMonster pointed out your use of the "gorillas keep on being gorillas" argument against evolution debunks your claim.

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OK, gotta a lotta things to do today, and it's been interesting answering you and seeing what's going on so you may not hear from me for a while. In the meantime, if you have any evidence that gorillas are evolving due to circumstances beyond their control, let me know.

YoursTrue said:

So far no response from those who believe evolution and that God exists. All quiet on that front.

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I have responded on two posts and you have failed to respond One post my support of evolution and belief in God #1,063 and the other describing the dominant view of most Christians that believe in God an how they support evolution, post #1,065.

YoursTrue said:

That is likely true, but the question is if you can explain to someone why you believe in God and evolution.

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Because the ToE doesn't state nor imply there is no God-- period.

YoursTrue said:

No it doesn't. But if you say so, that's how it is for you. Brain sizes got bigger which is why humans are so different intellectually from bonobos, gorillas etc. right? There is a difference between humans and chimpanzees brainwise. And in a way you keep putting yourself down with your answers.

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Yes, it does. Your inability to understand how bad that argument is tells everyone that understands evolution that you have no understanding of it at all. Have you not noticed how many people said that you have no understanding of the theory? If you made a thread of it where you asked a poll question and included your gorilla argument probably almost everyone that responded and understood the theory of evolution would say that you have no understanding of it at all.

metis said:

Because the ToE doesn't state nor imply there is no God-- period.

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Evolution does not even refute the Christian God. What I can never understand is why more YEC's are not flerfs. If one is going to read the Bible literally then one should be a flerf as well. Maybe they are not flerf's because they cannot do geometry either.

Subduction Zone said:

Evolution does not even refute the Christian God. What I can never understand is why more YEC's are not flerfs. If one is going to read the Bible literally then one should be a flerf as well. Maybe they are not flerf's because they cannot do geometry either.

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What's a "flerf"? Are you calling me names???

metis said:

What's a "flerf"? Are you calling me names???

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LOL! I do not think so. Not every person that cannot do geometry is a flerf, but every flerf cannot do geometry. They are a subset of the spatially impaired.

And just in case you were being serious a "flerf" is a flat earther. As in "The Erf is flat!"

Subduction Zone said:

And just in case you were being serious a "flerf" is a flat earther. As in "The Erf is flat!"

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Obviously, my education failed me.

metis said:

Because the ToE doesn't state nor imply there is no God-- period.

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Thank you for your answer. I hope @SubductionZone and others who do not believe in God at all understand that reasoning. So to repeat if I understand that comment correctly, you believe in God because the Theory of Evolution does not state or imply there is no God. That's why you believe in God. OK, thank you.

YoursTrue said:

Thank you for your answer. I hope @SubductionZone and others who do not believe in God at all understand that reasoning. So to repeat if I understand that comment correctly, you believe in God because the Theory of Evolution does not state or imply there is no God. That's why you believe in God. OK, thank you.

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What makes you think that I do not understand that? I have told you more than once that when I was a Christian I accepted evolution because I did not believe that God is a liar, you still have not explained why you have that belief.

Subduction Zone said:

What makes you think that I do not understand that? I have told you more than once that when I was a Christian I accepted evolution because I did not believe that God is a liar, you still have not explained why you have that belief.

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Since I do not believe in the theory of evolution as it stands, and you don't believe in God, the question is not really posed to you but to those believing in God along with the theory of evolution.

YoursTrue said:

So to repeat if I understand that comment correctly, you believe in God because the Theory of Evolution does not state or imply there is no God. That's why you believe in God. OK, thank you.

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There's a lot more than that to my thinking, but the above is good enough for now at least.

YoursTrue said:

I do not believe in evolution, so I'm not the one to ask because the question is directed towards those who believe in God AND evolution.

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Science do not depend only anyone’s personal beliefs, including you and I.

You are not doing science, if we take your personal preferences into account.

Preferences, whether they be opinions or beliefs, are hinders to science, are very subjective, and often lead to biases.

So to mitigate these biases that come from preferred opinions or beliefs, each MODELS (…models would & should include both EXPLANATIONS and PREDICTIONS, made for a new “hypothesis” or current “scientific theory”), required to be tested by some observable tests (eg evidence or experiments…or both).

The observations (eg evidence, experiments) should include information (also known as DATA) about the physical properties, and that would composition, quantities, measurements, etc.

These evidence, experiments & data, should be analysed to find out if these tests support or don’t support the falsifiable models of the hypothesis or theory.

What determines science are observations that come from evidence, experiments & data, these are what make or break hypotheses or theories.

But if you CANNOT TEST hypotheses or theories, as in there are no evidence, no experiments & no data, then such concepts are untestable (and UNFALSIFIABLE), baseless, useless and would be disqualified from the status of being “hypothesis“. That’s the case with so-called “Creation” or divine miracles from some supreme beings of religions.

Sciences aren’t about fitting in with anyone personal preferences, with one’s personal opinions, or with one’s personal beliefs - not yours, not mine, not with anyone or with everyone - including the likes, views or beliefs of scientists.

YoursTrue said:

Since I do not believe in the theory of evolution as it stands, and you don't believe in God, the question is not really posed to you but to those believing in God along with the theory of evolution.

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You keep forgetting that I used to be a Christian. So it does apply to me.

YoursTrue said:

I do not believe in evolution, so I'm not the one to ask because the question is directed towards those who believe in God AND evolution. They're the ones to ask why they believe in God. They've already explained why they believe in evolution. They are interestingly very silent on this. Perhaps it's just a bit too delicate for them to approach, but you might ask those who believe in both God and evolution. Thanks.

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You're not paying attention.

People who believe in God (but not evolution) believe in God for many of the same reasons that people who believe in God and evolution believe in God.

If you understand why you believe in God, you'll have a handle on why they do.

If you're not willing to explore your own beliefs, you shouldn't expect others to open up about theirs.

YoursTrue said:

OK, I don't want to push that towards those that claim belief in evolution and also God since I don't believe in the theory of evolution anymore. It's best you ask them if their belief in God is irrational as you seem to imply it is. But I'm not the one to ask about this. The question is directed towards those that believe in evolution and God. Thanks.

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I'm directing my question towards you. Why do you believe in God?

YoursTrue said:

So you are saying that those who believe in evolution and God concurrently have an irrational belief about God and therefore cannot explain their belief in God rationally. (Also @Subduction Zone -- don't want to leave you out.

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"God" cannot be explained rationally regardless of evolution.