Is Trinity in the Bible?

TruthInCatholocism said:

Thank you, I try (it helps to have 3 certs in theology )

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One for each person in the Godhead! :slap:

may said:

the bible itself tells us that Jesus is Gods only begotten son.
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. John 3;16-17................yes as the bible tells us God gave us his son , if we stick to the bible and what it teaches we cant go wrong .

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What did the early Christians "stick to" in the years between the crucifixion and before there was a Bible?

sojourner said:

What did the early Christians "stick to" in the years between the crucifixion and before there was a Bible?

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Mary Magdaline.

angellous_evangellous said:

Mary Magdaline.

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So...Could Mary Magdalene be considered to be the "fourth arm" of the Trinity?...:foot:

I don't think that the trinity can be found in the scriptures in any of the books. I haven't found it and I haven't seen anyone present clear evidence.

Now I'm jumping in quite late and I only read a few posts but when I look through the bible I am presented with this one verse that appears to be God talking.

Numbers 23:19
For God is not a man that he should sin neither is God the son of man that he shall have to repent.


For me, this needs no explaination. It seems to be quite clear. To me this renders the trinity theory void.

DreGod07, I brought that Numbers 23:19 passage up in a seperate thread awhile ago and people kind of brushed it off as me taking it out of context. I agree that it is a self evident verse though and really needs no explaining. All scripture is God-breathed.

One verse that contridicts all of scripture.... O_O

Look at the whole passage in its context not just a single line.....

Was Balam making a prohibition against God ever being incarnated in the person of Christ......?

His point was God is not like men... He doesnt lie... god isnt unfaithful...and doesnt change his mind.....

The Sole Purpose Of the Jewish faith is Emmanuel.....

That is clear through out the whole old testiment.. and to all who don't realize this need to open there eyes a little more..

The sole Purpose of the Jewish faith is that one day God will become Man..Suffer... and die for our sins so one day we may enter the kingdom of heaven

Jesus says... Whom ever has seen me has seen the father... Jesus is God.. Jesus is Emmanuel..

Emmanuel, Immanuel :"God with us", name given to Jesus at his birth

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold,parthenos shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel - (Masoretic text),

parthenos Writing in Greek, a word usually meaning "virgin

Hmmmmm.......... O_O Immanuel Used in a Prohecy to shwo that God will be born Among us as man.... >.>
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Helpful Tips....

Pay attention to all of scripture.. Look at Verses not sentences... and Dont Qoute a single line of text unless your fimiliar with what the verse is talking about.. Youll be suprised what you will learn...


And again if you didnt read my earlier Post i suggest you do....

Trinity as the term Or triune.. is not mentioned in the Bible.. But god as 3 in 1 is Repeated throughout the whole Bible...

Even Jesus Says... "go and bless in the name of the father , son , and the holy spirit" Was Jesus a Polotheist? to say he was shows Verses in the Bible self reputing O_O

And no Real Christian Would Dear to say otherwise

He is Clearly Showing the Equality OF the 3 god heads >.< stubborn Minds will never learn

Moon Woman said:

this thread keeps turning up like a bad penny, as my grandma would say.

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Well so what, what your grandma says ? The truth is the truth and no matter what anybody may argue with or without scriptural proof if God has an interest in you personally He will lead you to His truth. Or is it that you only participate here to tillilate your intellect ??

"If there is only one, there can't be three. So how do I understand God? God is the sum and total of all he is and all he has been doing" Dr. Roy Blizzard

stubborn Minds will never learn

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"Iniquity in Hebrew is aven, and it means trouble, or stubbornness." The bible says "stubbornness is as idolatry." Dr. Blizzard

Trinirarians stubbornly hold on to their man made traditions and teach them as God breathed. Well did, Isaiah say of you!

Thank you for the "Lead-in".

Shalom Jn. 5 :24!!!!

I hope anyone reading this thread realizes that Yasin being a Moslem was just baiting everyone. He really wasn't and isn't interested in finding the truth, if ya know what I mean ?

BM5 said:

I hope anyone reading this thread realizes that Yasin being a Moslem was just baiting everyone. He really wasn't and isn't interested in finding the truth, if ya know what I mean ?

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You may be right. Maybe he was baiting everyone. On the other hand, I'm a Christian, and I definitely don't believe the doctrine of the Trinity is taught in the Bible. Furthermore, I'm every bit as sincere in my search for truth as any other Christian is.

BM5 said:

I hope anyone reading this thread realizes that Yasin being a Moslem was just baiting everyone. He really wasn't and isn't interested in finding the truth, if ya know what I mean ?

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Sorry every one,

I have been overseas, that is why i have been unable to replay.
BM5 you are right i am a Muslim, but when it comes to "baiting" i dont know what you mean:sarcastic I have read the Bible, and have a lot of respect for it. Unable to find the trinity (even the idea), which is cental to Christianity has led me to bring up this thread.

Kind regards, Yasin:rainbow1:

Yasin said:

Sorry every one,

I have been overseas, that is why i have been unable to replay.
BM5 you are right i am a Muslim, but when it comes to "baiting" i dont know what you mean:sarcastic I have read the Bible, and have a lot of respect for it. Unable to find the trinity (even the idea), which is cental to Christianity has led me to bring up this thread.

Kind regards, Yasin:rainbow1:

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I apologize everyone for not taking the time to read ALL of the postings here as I am coming in really late.

Yasin, I believe you raise an interesting question. This is my opinion.

NO....

I haven't seen evidence of the trinity (three as one) in the bible only the contrary.

I see separation in all of it. The "Holy Spirit" mentioned in the bible is not solely referenced and dedicated to Jesus. The bible says, in various places, it has dwelt within various people/prophets/messengers. So, the idea of trinity concerning Jesus is not creditable (to me).

Isaiah 63:11
Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?

I believe the above is talking about the Holy Spirit in Moses. (i could be wrong on this one).

Daniel 4:18
This dream I king Nebuchadnezzar have seen. Now thou, O Belteshazzar, declare the interpretation thereof, forasmuch as all the wise men of my kingdom are not able to make known unto me the interpretation: but thou art able; for the spirit of the holy elohim is in thee.

Luke 1:41
And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit:

Luke 1:67
And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying,

Luke 2:25
And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Spirit was upon him.

John 20:22
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Spirit:

So, in my opinion I don't think holy spirit is reserved to just Jesus. I certainly don't think Jesus is God.

Numbers 23:19
El is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

From what we read about Jesus, he doesn't appear to have lied to anyone but I'm not sure about the second part of this criteria.

Matthew 26:39
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Matthew 26:42
He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Matthew 26:44
And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.

As for 27:46, if we believe this is truly Jesus on the cross then observe his cry. This comes after all the praying and begging. I mention this because at this point, on the cross, this is where Muslims say this was not Jesus but one made to appear as him (Qur'an 4:157).

Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My Elohim, my Elohim, why hast thou forsaken me?

What is your opinion ladies and gents?

joeboonda said:

I don't feel like debating it, I believe in the Trinity. But here is something cool I read the other morning during my devotionals:

Light

In his book, "The Chemistry of the Blood", M.R. Dehaan, founder of the Radio Bible Class, notes that in saying "God is light," the biblical authors are telling us something about the Trinity. A scientific analysis of sunlight reveals that it consists of three kinds of rays:

1. Chemical rays or actinic. These rays are invisible and can neither be seen or felt.
2. Light rays. These rays can be seen but never felt.
3. Heat rays. These rays are felt but never seen.

DeHaan writes, "God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. We know the Godhead consists of Three Persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father corresponds to the chemical rays of sunlight, No man hath seen God at any time. The Son, who is the light of the world, corresponds to the light rays, the One whom we can see but not feel. The Holy Spirit corresponds to the heat rays, since He is felt in the lives of believers but never seen."

I thought that was pretty cool.

Sincerely,

Joeboonda

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This is a terrible metaphor. The creed quite reasonably states that God is of one substance not three. In John 4 you have the statement that God is a spirit (although some translations have it as God is spirit recognizing that God is not finite). In Eph. 4:4 it is stated that there is one spirit.

searcher63 said:

JOHN 1:1 Opens up a whole can of worms!
That is ONE scripture where the early catholic church manipulated the verse to fit the trinity concept. I'm not a conspiracy kook. All you have to do is check out the verse using a GREEK DIAGLOT which shows how the verse would have been read from its original greek translation.
Another passage trinitarians use : (Jesus praying) " I wish my followers could be ONE just as YOU AND I ARE ONE" Was jesus telling his father he wished his followers could be part of some trinity?? Or was he simply saying he wished his followers had the same closeness, the same unity of purpose and thought that he and his father shared? Remember his disciples were constantly arguing who was the greater among them.
Heres another: (jesus)"He who has seen me has seen the father also". Again look at the context. Read the verses surrounding the text. He is clearly showing that He and his father are so close that Jesus is like a mirror Image of his father.
We could go on and on...but the one that puts the nail in the coffin on the trinity debate for me is:"Jesus is the FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION". He was created! ALMIGHTY GOD HAS BEEN AROUND FOR ETERNITY. HE HAS NO BEGINNING.
P.S.: Just to countersink the nail in the coffin: Please reason on this. Did Christ DIE for our sins? If your answer is yes. Who raised him up. If a part of him lived on in a trinity then he was not fully dead therefore the ransom sacrifice is null and void. If you say NO, he was completely dead. Then he was not part of a trinity, and a seperate being raised him up. Its really no more complicated then that. The fact that a "DEBATE" rages on is more proof that SATAN uses confusing concepts like this to disorientate people and lead them away from the truth of GODS word.

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It would be interesting to see a greek translation exposition on your part. Just because words are translated (literal translation) does not mean that the concepts behind the words are being accurately translated into the same concepts in English words. If you read the New World Translation (JW's) you will find it highly unintelligible and sometimes misleading. (I don't believe I slogged through the whole thing ugh!)

If you believe that the scripture supports a belief in Jesus as God in the flesh as I do, then that same oneness must be God in us (Paraclete).

A mirror image is not closeness it is identity.

This is definitely a spurrious interpretation on your part. Are you trying to say that Jesus is the first monkey, the first toad, the first scorpion etc?

Yes. And that is just what Jesus is referring to when He says that before Abraham was, Jah.

YmirGF said:

Yasin, is just a troll on a mission, to show us the error of Christian thinking. Nothing more, most assuredly, nothing less.

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lol, and look at the massive troll feeding that took place after your post, Paul.

how many times do you have to tell people not to do it? and yet they can never resist...

!Fluffy! said:

lol, and look at the massive troll feeding that took place after your post, Paul.

how many times do you have to tell people not to do it? and yet they can never resist...

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There is no doubt that Muslims rub our noses in this error that is pointed out by God in the Qu'ran. That doesn't keep Muslims from developing their own errors about this subject.

Pardus said:

Could the trinity be one of those assimilations of other religions?

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yes indeed, with its roots firmly in the Babylonish teachings that have spread all over the world . and Babylonish teachings arre not inline with the true Gods teachings , that is why in the book of REVELATION False religion is symbolically known as BABYLON THE GREAT . and the true God wants his people to GET OUT OF HER revelation 18;4

Popeyesays said:

The Bible has no direct statement of the "trinity".

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the bible has no thought of the trinity teaching at all .

Yasin said:

If you can crasp or understand the Semitic languages(which are Hebrew, Aramayic and Arabic) you will see that they have two different plurals, the first being the plural of numbers, as we know it, and the other being a plural of repect, which in the case of Genesis 1:26:
God said, Let us make man in our image........

is a plural of Respect, same in the Quran, many times God refers to himself as "we" and "our".........thats why no Arab speaking Christian would rase objection to such terminology, because he understands his language and the rules for grammar.......You may check this reason for yourself if still not convinced.........Because remember the Bible originally was written in hebrew and Jesus (pbuh) spoke Aramayic and not creek.......and therefore has nothing to do with the Trinity..........Yasin:bounce

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when God said LET US MAKE MAN he was talking to his first-born son , Jesus lived in heaven with his father before he was sent to the earth .He had a pre-human life in heaven with the most high JEHOVAH