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One week later

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
No, it isn't "normal". Nor should it be tolerated.
It should be understood it's not all of California. And it should be understood that moving to universal mailed ballots is seriously contributory.

But I basically agree that something should be done. My list is
  • Adequately fund those responsible for counting.
  • Set tighter deadlines for results.
  • Fund next day (or 3 day) expedited return of mailed ballots.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
Bogus! California could have mail in ballots and still be able to promptly tally the results. Other states do.

How do you count mail in ballots you haven't received in the mail yet?

We're also the most populous state in the nation. And our number of mail in ballots has skyrocketed since COVID. That Wyoming counts their ballots more quickly does not impress me.

Though I do like @sun rise 's idea of making mail in ballots priority mail so they'd be returned faster. That might help speed things up. None of this is "incompetence," though. It makes no difference how quickly the ballots are counted as long as they're certified within, what, a month? It's just something we like to know because we're accustomed to instant information now.
 
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Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
How do you count mail in ballots you haven't received in the mail yet?

We're also the most populous state in the nation. And our number of mail in ballots has skyrocketed since COVID. That Wyoming counts their ballots more quickly does not impress me.

Though I do like @sun rise 's idea of making mail in ballots priority mail so they'd be returned faster. That might help speed things up. None of this is "incompetence," though. It makes no difference how quickly the ballots are counted as long as they're certified within, what, a month? It's just something we like to know because we're accustomed to instant information now.
I guess you didn't bother to read the posts in this thread. I haven't suggested counting unreceived ballots. What I have written is that ballot verification of those turned in on election day can reduce post election day tally times. Try to keep up.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
I guess you didn't bother to read the posts in this thread. I haven't suggested counting unreceived ballots. What I have written is that ballot verification of those turned in on election day can reduce post election day tally times. Try to keep up.

What prior post of yours in this thread are you referencing? I've read them all. In none of them did you say what you just said here.

You can't verify ballots you haven't received in the mail yet. Getting cocky when you don't have your facts straight is not a wise strategy.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
It has been a week since Election day in the U.S. Most states have completed all their tallies. But California has yet to finalize nine Congressional district elections. Those running the elections there are incompetent and unworthy to hold their positions. They are a disgrace.
I do not see what is the hurry about. The new House and Senate will come only after the new year correct? Why should the counting process be dictated by the needs of instant gratification promoted by the 24-7 news cycle?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I do not see what is the hurry about. The new House and Senate will come only after the new year correct? Why should the counting process be dictated by the needs of instant gratification promoted by the 24-7 news cycle?
Rats! Beat me to it.

But I was wondering the same thing. It is pretty much a done deal that the Republicans will win the House. They only need one more seat and the Democrats are about ten seats behind.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
It has been a week since Election day in the U.S. Most states have completed all their tallies. But California has yet to finalize nine Congressional district elections. Those running the elections there are incompetent and unworthy to hold their positions. They are a disgrace.

State rights!!! You are an authoritarian federalist, who trample on state rights. ;) :D
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Seriously - how would [Shaul] know?
Notice that he didn't answer. Maybe because he's just venting because his Pubs didn't do as well as expected?

IMO, as long as a state does it legally and carefully, they can take all the time they need. Our constitution leaves this up to the states, thus there's no "one size fits all" approach.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Those are?
Which state would you accept as having a comparable population? Every other of the ten most populous states, Texas, Florida, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Ohio, Georgia, North Carolina and Michigan, have all completed their results days ago.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I do not see what is the hurry about. The new House and Senate will come only after the new year correct? Why should the counting process be dictated by the needs of instant gratification promoted by the 24-7 news cycle?
Nobody is saying there has to be instantaneous results. Nor does the reason for wanting prompt results depend on the 24/7 news cycle. But your mentioning the 24/7 cycles raises the fact that we aren't living in the Dark Ages. In this day and age we have the capabilities to tally votes quickly and accurately. There is no logistical reason vote counting couldn't be done faster. We have proof of this since many other elections are done both accurately and promptly. So the question is not why should the results be done faster. Since there is no good reason for them being done slower, the better question is; "Why should we accept them taking longer than necessary?" The answer is we should not.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Notice that he didn't answer. Maybe because he's just venting because his Pubs didn't do as well as expected?

IMO, as long as a state does it legally and carefully, they can take all the time they need. Our constitution leaves this up to the states, thus there's no "one size fits all" approach.
So you don't think the vote tally needs to be done promptly but you think I must respond instantaneously to questions. That is hilarious!
 
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