"Begotten", what does it mean?

nPeace · Jan 29, 2022

SA Huguenot said:
To me, I understand that God chose Isaac to be the son that Abraham will receive through Sarai, who will be blessed as the ancestor of Jesus.
Even though Abraham had Ishmael first at Hagar, it was God's choice to treat Isaac as Abraham's Only Begotten son.

Therefore, by denoting the Monogenis claim on Isaac, all other siblings did not count due to the meaning intended of it word used, "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship" and "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind".

Monogenis does not only mean "Only Begotten" but "Only begotten by special relationship".
And this is where the difference lies between simply being the only male child of 2 parents, to...
Being the only child by special relationship.

Something I have in my mind is that the lineage of Eve might have had a roll to play, where it is said that "Her seed" will crush Satan.
There are much more to the eye than what we see.
But, about Eve, it is only my opinion.

The other point on "special relationship, is the Gaeneaology of Jesus in Matthew and Luke.
Mat 1:15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
Mat 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ
versus:
Luk 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
Luk 3:24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,

Here we have 2 different lineages of Jesus.
and Muslim scholars such as Ahmad Deedad likes to use this as evidence of Contradiction.
How can the grandfather of Jesus be 2 different people.
Well, if you look closely to the word (as was supposed) in Luke, everything opens up.
Greek "Nomidzo" to be understood as "By Custom, as per Law...
Well, the critisizers of this so called "Contradiction" forgot that they themsel have 2 grandfathers!

Therefore, Grandpa Heli was Jesus' Grand daddy through Mary.
Grandpa Mattan was Jesus' Grand daddy through Joseph, his stepfather.

What makes this so special is that Jesus was King of Israel through the lineage of David, but not in flesh because God prohibited the saviour to come through the lineage of Jechoniah
Jer 22:30 Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.
Jechonia did become King, but ruled only 3 Months. I like to say in modern terms he did not complete his probation period.
Anyhow, Jesus was a descendend bu law, King through David,
But the seed of the Woman through Mary's lineage by Nathan, Davis' other son, and not through Solomons son Rehoboam.
Rehoboam and Jechonia did not carry God's approval.

Just sone nice info.

I understand that people have their own beliefs, and that is fine by me. I think people are entitled to believe whatever they want.
If a man wants to believe that he is God, and he created the universe, that's cool, but when that man tells me, it is written in a book I use, and believe is a product of holy spirit, and beneficial for teaching, setting things straight, etc. so that a man of God may be complete (2 Timothy 3:16,17, then I expect that person to show me what they are claiming.

So I have to apply that to you. I have not seen the definition of "begotten" that you gave, so can you please show me where I can find the source that says "Monogenis does not only mean "Only Begotten" but "Only begotten by special relationship""
Does that contradict this Strong's Greek: 3439. μονογενής (monogenés) -- only begotten ?
Strong's Concordance
monogenés: only begotten
Original Word: μονογενής, ές
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: monogenés
Phonetic Spelling: (mon-og-en-ace')
Definition: only begotten
Usage: only, only-begotten; unique.

HELPS Word-studies
3439 monogenḗs (from 3411 /misthōtós, "one-and-only" and 1085 /génos, "offspring, stock") – properly, one-and-only; "one of a kind" – literally, "one (monos) of a class, genos" (the only of its kind).

Can you explain?

Soapy · Jan 29, 2022

MyM said:
It's you that don't understand and I'm not arguing. The Bible is not in a position to explain the term begotten simply because it should never be there in the first place. To associate something so hideous. You may say that it is only the terms of "expression, adoptions, first borns, nations, etc. all you are doing is explaining what differences there are in different verses. That's obvious. But to put and bring down your Creator on your level of thinking is not good. begotten is something one should never attribute to their Creator

What is wrong with you? Or are you sending the post to the wrong person. I am not attributing ‘begotten’ in a human sense to almighty God. I said if was a SPIRITUAL ADOPTION.

A spiritual adoption does not make the adopted son into a spirit GOD person.

Even Paul begetting Onesimus is only a SPIRITUAL ADOPTION because no ceremony was performed. Or maybe the term ‘figurative adoption’ or ‘figurative Son’ would work better for you…

It seems like, despite what you say, all you want to do is argue … argue a point that has not even to do with your point of view. Christians are not anti-Christians… we need not agree and it’s almost certain that we SHOULD NOT… so your presence in this debate is actually moot!!

nPeace · Jan 29, 2022

SA Huguenot said:
TNX, very deep thinking.
The idea is then that Jesus was begotten from the beginning.
Before anything existed.
That would then be the time when only God existed.
I will definately etch this in my mempry for future use.

I'm glad to hear that.
I hope you will consider this also. Only because it is extremely useful and beneficial.
Matthew 24:45

The reason I know that Jesus was sent as God's only begotten son, is that the Bible says it very plainly.
So no one need to guess what it means.
It does not say, Jesus became God's only begotten on earth.

If I were not taught this, by Jesus disciples on earth today, I probably would like many, believe all sorts of things... that are not in the Bible.
The ones appointed to give spiritual food at the proper time - the faithful and discreet slave, are the one who educate people, by using the scriptures to help them to make sense of what they read.
Think back to the first century.

(Luke 10:1) . . .After these things the Lord designated 70 others and sent them out by twos ahead of him into every city and place where he himself was to go.

(Acts 1:8) . . .But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the most distant part of the earth.
(Matthew 24:14) . . .And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Whom do you observe engaged in this work?
Based on Matthew 24:45, Jesus has not given up on it. he is still directing the work.

I am explaining this, because, it is not just my thinking alone. Of course, common sense is involved. reason is involved, but is it not true that you hear all sorts of reasoning that make you scratch your head. Have you not been in that situation?
However, when we examine the scriptures, what we read makes sense when we are helped to understand. We then see the full picture, more clearly.
Remember, that's how God has always dealt with people. Acts 8:28-40

So, when we understand that...

God had no beginning. He always existed. He is the beginning.
The Word - his only begotten son - is one of many sons of God - brought forth - begotten of the father, because the angels are all sons of God... Myriads of them.
The only begotten son existed in heaven along with all his brothers - the angels - as a family. The Devil is actually one of those brothers, who rebelled against his papa.
The only begotten son is the oldest of all his brothers, because it was by means of him that all other things came into existence - including all of God's spirit sons - the angels.

Then we have a clear unobscured vision - not clouded - of God's heavenly family. God is father and head of his family. His beloved son - not that all the others are not loved, but the only begotten son is special, in that he was created directly by God - the firstborn of all creation, and thus he existed with the father for eons. is appointed chief, by his "daddy".
Thus he developed a special relationship - very special (he loves the father very much, and he imitates the father. He is the image of God) - with God his father.
The son who became Devil and Satan failed to do that.

Does that not help us to clearly see part of the picture?
God's purpose is to have a universal family - one in heaven, and one on earth... all loving him - their father.
So that this notion of going to heaven, once one obeys God becomes clearer to see as a false belief.
God also intends to have an earthly family... who all love him.

Hence Matthew 24:45 is vital to keep in mind.
Unless we recognize that there is a faithful and discrete slave whom Jesus is directing to spearhead the global preaching of the kingdom good news, by which persons have the opportunity of coming to an accurate knowledge of the truth.... Unless we recognize that, we will be lost in the fog of false teachings - including the one that says Jesus is God.
...and we are not going to see the big picture.

sojourner · Jan 29, 2022

MyM said:
If I made it to be stupid, it's not your fault. It should be aimed at the ones who change the Bible. I never said stupid by the way, that was you.
As for Islam, everything goes back to the Quran. That hasn't been changed. It's still in the Arabic over 1400 years now The Bible you will never have that and you know why? Jesus did not tell anyone to write anything down. Christians are following a belief of writers and unknown authors, Paul's version, and there is no Gospel according to Jesus. It's actually pretty decent they found those but even then, they add and delete from those scrolls as they see to it that it fits. I mean even the Catholics have 7 more books that the protestant doesn't acknowledge...why not? Why aren't they Christians like many? It's just a big game it seems and people believe what they are told.

The Bible is what it is — not what you wish it to be. Stop trying to make it fit your expectations, and everyone will be the happier.

MyM · Jan 29, 2022

Soapy said:
What is wrong with you? Or are you sending the post to the wrong person. I am not attributing ‘begotten’ in a human sense to almighty God. I said if was a SPIRITUAL ADOPTION.

A spiritual adoption does not make the adopted son into a spirit GOD person.

Even Paul begetting Onesimus is only a SPIRITUAL ADOPTION because no ceremony was performed. Or maybe the term ‘figurative adoption’ or ‘figurative Son’ would work better for you…

It seems like, despite what you say, all you want to do is argue … argue a point that has not even to do with your point of view. Christians are not anti-Christians… we need not agree and it’s almost certain that we SHOULD NOT… so your presence in this debate is actually moot!!

Not really

the word begat means just that.

even in the Bible the two daughters that seduced their father Lot (God forbid to even do that to a prophet of God-what a bible) and those daughters produces children who are now considered in the lineage of Jesus pbuh . It's right in the book. A man who has no genealogy is now the lineage of the seduction of a prophet of God. begat begat begat.... All I am saying is, these terms are in the Bible to mean the way they are. You can make all the excuses you can, but it means the right way. Sure there are situations that mean sons, etc. but to put a genealogy on a God man that has no genealogy and to humiliate a prophet of God in the process. That has gone to far.

I am not wanting to argue. People give their say but everyone says different things. The word begotten means begotten.

I just wish people would be honest.

MyM · Jan 29, 2022

sojourner said:
The Bible is what it is — not what you wish it to be. Stop trying to make it fit your expectations, and everyone will be the happier.

I am not trying to make it fit my expectations. I just wish people would be honest. They criticize me for my religion, they bash it, they laugh, they humiliate and yet, when I actually bring something from their own book, God forbid I'm a horrible person. I explain from my religion yet when I bring something from the Bible, which I have every right to do, being I was a born again Christian, it's so wrong and "I was never a true Christian". Just always the answer. People are dishonest.

Soapy · Jan 29, 2022

MyM said:
That is why in Islam, God says his name- ALLAH as to not identify with the other meanings.

That’s a good link. Christians should do similar more.

I don’t know if you know but the reason they don’t us because of the Jews who used to use the name of their God to swear oaths … and over time many broke those oaths thereby bringing the name of they’d God into disrepute. Therefore they stopped using the name, ‘Yhwh’ and only said ‘God’.

Sadly, this way ‘God’ became like a NAME instead of the TITLE that it is.

For this reason you can see that a verse that says like:

‘The word is God’

is interpreted as:

‘The word is YHWH’

which it certainly does not mean. What it does mean is:

‘The word [of Yhwh] is almighty, foremost in power, majestic, complete in itself…..’

Hence, you Dan now read John 1:1 and understand the different uses of the term ‘God’: As a superlative adjective, and as a Title:

‘The word [of the/our God]was with [the/our] God (title)
‘And the word [of the/our God] was God (Superlative Adjective)’

sojourner · Jan 29, 2022

MyM said:
But who knows, since they constantly take and remove and make many different bibles, maybe one day it will be removed...actually really doesn't matter, they already do that anyway and say they are inspired....games

Present your irrefutable proof of this.

sojourner · Jan 29, 2022

MyM said:
I am not trying to make it fit my expectations

Of course you are. You’re berating it for being multivalent and edited, among other things.

nPeace · Jan 29, 2022

SA Huguenot said:
Not from His own initiative as Human, but as part of God.

Can you explain what you mean by that?

SA Huguenot said:
I still have the verses dictating to me that Jesus was with God from the beginning, and He had the Glory with the Father since the beginning, and will have the Glory of the father with Him.

That's all true.
I agree with you there. That's what scripture clearly says.

SA Huguenot said:
Also, Jesus came from the Father, and only Jesus has seen the Father, and the Father is in Him, and He in the Father.

That's what scripture says.
Can you explain what you understand by that?
Because John 5:56, and John 17:21 uses the same language, saying that Jesus is in them, and them in him.
So what do you mean?

SA Huguenot said:
All the other descriptions are to me complimentary to the way Jesus described Him and the Father.
If one then reads descriptions on I am the Son of God, and the Son of man has the might to forgive sins as an example, it compliments Jesus as the Word of God in the Trinity.

How about this?
(John 5:26, 27) 26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to do judging, because he is the Son of man.

(John 10:17, 18) 17 This is why the Father loves me, because I surrender my life, so that I may receive it again. 18 No man takes it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I have authority to receive it again. This commandment I received from my Father.”

(Matthew 28:18) . . .Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.

Does that make things clearer?
Why did Jesus have authority to do anything... according to him?
Who gave him that authority... according to scripture?

SA Huguenot said:
Especially since Jesus also said He is going to the Father, and the Spirit of God will come to the apostles, for if He does not go to the Father, the Spirit will not be able to come to them.

This gives me the idea, and remember, it is my idea!
That the Father can not be without one of 2 attributes.
Either the Father and the Word, or the Father and the Spirit must be in each other's existence.
The Spirit left the Father and hovered above the waters, or entered the congregation and flames were seen above their heads.

Did the scriptures say that SA? Or is that not rather what you ... can I say, imagine happened?
Because we can have things in our mind that's not written.
Some people have admitted that that happened to them.
When their understanding was improved with the help of scripture, they saw their mistake.

The scripture simply says, the spirit of God was moving over the waters.
Why do you think it's something that left him?
Could you explain a bit more? What is holy spirit, and what do you think about Matthew 12:28, and Acts 2:33?
Was the holy spirit with Jesus?

SA Huguenot said:
And the Father spoke from heaven at the baptism, and the spirit was seen descending above Jesus.
They must be close together, or one has the power to enter creation, whilst 2 remains in heaven.

Obviously, the Father and the Spirit was in heaven when Jesus was on Earth.

But again, it is my understanding.
I realy dont want to make this out as fact, but my believe in my reading.

I do appreciate you sharing your understanding.
I'm interested in hearing what you believe, becase obviously you truly believe what you say, so I hope you don't mind taking some time to explain them in light of scripture.
I'm reminded of Romans 10:2, even as I say this.
That happens, you would agree?

Soapy · Jan 29, 2022

MyM said:
Not really

the word begat means just that. even in the Bible the two daughters that seduced their father Lot (God forbid to even do that to a prophet of God-what a bible) and those daughters produces children who are now considered in the lineage of Jesus

The Bible says that their offspring were punished by Yhwh as a nation.

It's right in the book. A man who has no genealogy is now the lineage of the seduction of a prophet of God. begat begat begat.... All I am saying is, these terms are in the Bible to mean the way they are. You can make all the excuses you can, but it means the right way. Sure there are situations that mean sons, etc. but to put a genealogy on a God man that has no genealogy and to humiliate a prophet of God in the process. That has gone to far.

You have been listening to too many trinitarian Christian’s that you are completely sceptical about every aspect of Christianity and even Judaism…. You are fighting a losing battle!

I am not wanting to argue. People give their say but everyone says different things. The word begotten means begotten.

I just wish people would be honest.

The word ‘Begotten’ does mean exactly that:

‘Taken up as ones own’….

In the Scriptures you will see that a man, a Father, ‘TAKES UP A CHILD AS HIS SON’….
His wife (or consort) GIVES BIRTH to a child and the Father (husband) BEGETS that child.

Search the scriptures and you will see that this is how it is written and understood:

“I entreat thee concerning my child -- whom I did beget in my bonds -- Onesimus,” (Philemon 1:10)
“I entreat thee concerning my child -- whom I did [take up as a Son] in my bonds -- Onesimus,

Source: Beget in the Bible (22 instances)

nPeace · Jan 29, 2022

SA Huguenot said:
Who are the one that will destroy Satan and his daemons?
A Prophet?
A Human?
or God Himself?

According to the scriptures, none of the above.
(John 5:22) . . .For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son. . .
The son of God, as well as...
(Romans 16:20) . . .For his part, the God who gives peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly. . .
The annointed ones - sons of God - who will rule with Jesus in heaven.

SA Huguenot said:
I also take into consideration the words of Jesus when Satan:
The Word of God gives Life
Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Satan thought if he could use the hunger of Jesus the human Man, Jesus would use His divine powers to make stones into bread.
If Jesus would have done that, Satan would have achieved the Human Jesus to have followed an instruction from Sayan, and just as with Adam, Jesus would have been condemned.
I shudder to think what would have happened with the Divine Word, if the fleshly Jesus was caught in this deception and the human body of Christ were not to have died and ressurected to save our immortal spirits from the kingdom of death where all human spirits dwell untill the ressurection.
Jesus actually told Satan that it is not bread that gives life, but the Word! He told Satan that "I give life!"

Do not tempt Me!
Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

When Satan says that He will give His angels to save Jesus the human (working on human fear), if you are the Son of God..
Jesus' answer was in reality, Thou shall not tempt God (Me)
Just think how, if Jesus would have asked the Father to send Him angels to help him, would have diminished His might in the face of Satan.
Satan would have stood in the Face of YHWH telling Him how even His Word was subjected to his instructions.

Serve Me!
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Satan thought it will be easy to have Jesus, the human that can easily be tempted, to rather be king over the whole world, if only Jesus would worship him.
However, Jesus the God told him, Worship Me!

Again, this is my observations, and thinking.
But the bigger picture shows me to what intensity the Word, or Son of God, has on the Spiritual and Created realm.
Again, my observations and opinions.
perhaps someone can use it in their spiritual life.
However, do take precaustion in my words that ...
it is my opinion.
I dont want to answer to God one day if I was wrong, and people were lost becauser of my doing.
Greetings

Thank you. Thanks for sharing, and thanks for letting me know it's your opinion.
You seem like a genuine person. May I ask, would you consider yourself "now learning"?
Can I ask, whom you are being taught by?

Would you agree it is better to get Jesus' teachings, thus allowing those to replace our opinions?
That way we can avoid adding to confusing, and stumbling the untaught. Would you agree?

MyM · Jan 29, 2022

sojourner said:
Of course you are. You’re berating it for being multivalent and edited, among other things.

Wrong. I just want people to be honest.

MyM · Jan 29, 2022

Soapy said:
The Bible says that their offspring were punished by Yhwh as a nation.
You have been listening to too many trinitarian Christian’s that you are completely sceptical about every aspect of Christianity and even Judaism…. You are fighting a losing battle!
The word ‘Begotten’ does mean exactly that:

‘Taken up as ones own’….

In the Scriptures you will see that a man, a Father, ‘TAKES UP A CHILD AS HIS SON’….
His wife (or consort) GIVES BIRTH to a child and the Father (husband) BEGETS that child.

Search the scriptures and you will see that this is how it is written and understood:

“I entreat thee concerning my child -- whom I did beget in my bonds -- Onesimus,” (Philemon 1:10)

“I entreat thee concerning my child -- whom I did [take up as a Son] in my bonds -- Onesimus,

Source: Beget in the Bible (22 instances)

I heard this still. But being punished? It should never have happened to a prophet of God in the Bible. Just be honest would you believe in a book that talks about a revered prophet of Allah like this? In Islam, we would never humiliate a prophet of God as to have sexual relations with his daughter-he's drunk and they seduce their own father and bore his children! God forbid.

anyways, you can have your own thoughts and beliefs am not here to say otherwise or compel you either way, I would however like people to understand what they are reading and it isn't all a bunch of sweetness and all Love. To each his own.

nPeace · Jan 29, 2022

MyM said:
I asked for the meaning of the word. I don't want an explanation.

Explain to me how Jesus got to be begotten. How did it happen? The word begotten. How does God beget?

Brought forth.
Beget means to bring forth.

Don't be confused by the reproduction part there. Beget is not limited to reproduction. To beget involves producing. It all depends on the context it's being applied to.

God begets sons by creation either physically or spiritually - born by spirit. John 3:3-6

muhammad_isa · Jan 29, 2022

nPeace said:
Brought forth.
Don't be confused by the reproduction part there. Beget is not limited to reproduction. To beget involves producing. It all depends on the context it's being applied to.

God begets sons by creation either physically or spiritually - born by spirit. John 3:3-6

Something is begotten when it's been generated by procreation — in other words, it's been fathered. A somewhat old fashioned adjective, begotten is the past participle of the verb beget, which means to father or produce as offspring.
Begotten - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

Soapy · Jan 29, 2022

MyM said:
I heard this still. But being punished? It should never have happened to a prophet of God in the Bible. Just be honest would you believe in a book that talks about a revered prophet of Allah like this? In Islam, we would never humiliate a prophet of God as to have sexual relations with his daughter-he's drunk and they seduce their own father and bore his children! God forbid.

anyways, you can have your own thoughts and beliefs am not here to say otherwise or compel you either way, I would however like people to understand what they are reading and it isn't all a bunch of sweetness and all Love. To each his own.

Are you after a fairy story for children. Bad things happen to good people in every walk of life except where you are afraid to upset child-like ones. The Bible isn’t written to protect children from the realities of life’s badnesses.

Soapy · Jan 29, 2022

muhammad_isa said:
Something is begotten when it's been generated by procreation — in other words, it's been fathered. A somewhat old fashioned adjective, begotten is the past participle of the verb beget, which means to father or produce as offspring.
Begotten - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

Procreation is a HUMAN ACT.

I told you that begetting can also be SPIRITUAL.

God begat Ephraim…. Is not a physical human procreation.

Paul did not PROCREATE Onesimus yet Paul says he took up Onesimus as his own son. Paul BEGAT Onesimus.

nPeace · Jan 29, 2022

muhammad_isa said:
The word "begotten" is an English word. It does not mean 'monogenis'.

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible. We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God,] Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
...
Nicene Creed - Wikipedia

..I am on the side of the underdogs. I don't like to be told what I have to believe by councils arranged by politicians.

“Only-begotten”
Some commentators object to the translation of the Greek word mo·no·ge·nesʹ by the English “only-begotten.” They point out that the latter portion of the word (ge·nesʹ) does not come from gen·naʹo (beget) but from geʹnos (kind), hence the term refers to ‘the only one of a class or kind.’ Thus many translations speak of Jesus as the “only Son” (RS; AT; JB) rather than the “only-begotten son” of God. (Joh 1:14; 3:16, 18; 1Jo 4:9) However, while the individual components do not include the verbal sense of being born, the usage of the term definitely does embrace the idea of descent or birth, for the Greek word geʹnos means “family stock; kinsfolk; offspring; race.” It is translated “race” in 1 Peter 2:9. The Latin Vulgate by Jerome renders mo·no·ge·nesʹ as unigenitus, meaning “only-begotten” or “only.” This relationship of the term to birth or descent is recognized by numerous lexicographers.

Did you appreciate the point @SA Huguenot made, that the Nicene Creed is some 300 years older than the original writings?
The early manuscripts compare with the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the word usage is there.
So the Greek word can be translated into English as “only-begotten”, since ...as stated above.

Interestingly, when translating languages, unless it is done that the reader understands, it means nothing to them. They don't benefit.

What English word do you suggest for ge·nesʹ though?

nPeace · Jan 29, 2022

muhammad_isa said:
Something is begotten when it's been generated by procreation — in other words, it's been fathered. A somewhat old fashioned adjective, begotten is the past participle of the verb beget, which means to father or produce as offspring.
Begotten - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

Who was first... God or humans?
If God, then he brought forth. Thus he created or brought forth.
If progeny, or creatures in his likeness, then he is a father... and yes, he has sons.

Why don't you believe God has sons. Is it because you believe the Qur'an? Why, may I ask?

"Begotten", what does it mean?

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