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Decline of Christianity in Canada Faster than Ever

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1213

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Policy said:
Apparently, in you bizarre usage of English, 'flatter' means 'hierarchical'.
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I mean with flatter that there are less classes. Previously western countries have had basically 3 classes, Rich, Middle class and poor. And those could be also divided to sub groups. In practice socialism destroys middle class and leads to two class system, the rich elite and poor slaves, which I think is happening in western world at the moment.

Policy said:
Are you under the impression that telling a husband to love his wife is the equivalent of equal value?
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Only men are asked to love like that. So, no, they are not equal, it requires less from women and so they have it easier.

Policy said:
It means that a person cannot worship another god. And Christianity enforces this with threats of eternal suffering.
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Please show where in the Bible that threat is?

But obviously, if one don't follow the rules of the group, one is not in the group and why would one be, when he doesn't want to go by the rules?
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
1213 said:
And what exactly is wrong with that? I think it is ok to find all votes, or at least try to find all of them. Why do you think some votes should not be found?
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Are you really so willing to ignore what clearly is obvious so as to try and defend Trump's repeated depravity, twisting things to suit your own blind support of a charlatan? Even many Republicans had admitted what Trump was doing, so they at least have been honest about this.

As I wrote in another post, after today I am leaving the RF political threads for an indetermined amount of time as I no longer want to deal with those who only talk-the-talk as Jesus condemned while supporting someone who is an adulterer, a hedonist, a materialist, a con man, one who cheated on his wives, used a prostitute and had her paid off, clearly tried to overturn the 2020 election, praises "strong leaders" like Putin, etc. What about these behaviors is moral in any way based on Judeo-Christian standards? If your church teaches that this is all fine & dandy, then maybe look for a church that actually teaches right from wrong.

I'm done, and goodbye.
 
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1213

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metis said:
Are you really so willing to ignore what clearly is obvious so as to try and defend Trump's repeated depravity, twisting things to suit your own blind support of a charlatan? Even many Republicans had admitted what Trump was doing, so they at least have been honest about this.
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Sorry, by what I see, it is those who are against Trump that twist things.

metis said:
…condemned while supporting someone who is an adulterer, a hedonist, a materialist, a con man, one who cheated on his wives, used a prostitute and had her paid off, clearly tried to overturn the 2020 election, praises "strong leaders" like Putin, etc. What about these behaviors is moral in any way based on Judeo-Christian standards? ….
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To me Bible teaches this principle for judging:

"Thus has Yahweh of Hosts spoken, saying, 'Execute true judgment, and show kindness and compassion every man to his brother.
Zechariah 7:9
I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brothers, and judge righteously between a man and his brother, and the foreigner who is living with him. You shall not show partiality in judgment; you shall hear the small and the great alike; you shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, you shall bring to me, and I will hear it.
Deuteronomy 1:16-17
"You shall not spread a false report. Don't join your hand with the wicked to be a malicious witness. You shall not follow a crowd to do evil; neither shall you testify in court to side with a multitude to pervert justice; neither shall you favor a poor man in his cause.
Exodus 23:1-3
At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he who is to die be put to death; at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
Deuteronomy 17:6

Because of those, I can’t judge Trump the same way you seem to do. But, I agree with you that for example adultery is wrong. If Trump has done that, it is bad and he would deserve the judgment for that, similarly as everyone else who has done it.

I believe “democrats” cheated in the elections. Trying to prove that and correct the result is not wrong.

Putin has done some things well for his country, it is not wrong to say so. If he has done something wrong, it is good to say that and also prove it.

I don’t think there is any perfect human. If we would elect only perfect beings, there would be no presidents. I think Trump has done some things poorly, but, the best thing about him is that because of him, the corruption has come visible (in government and media). I think he has really be for common people, unlike Biden who seems to be puppet for big companies and is for example against freedom of speech. I would rather choose person who is protecting freedom, than a tyrannical fascist, even if he would be guilty for adultery.
 
Sheldon

Sheldon

Veteran Member
1213 said:
In a free country people are free to speak as they want.
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Indeed, you didn't answer my question though, which was is disinformation in the middle of a global pandemic a good thing? Also while free speech is a right, private platforms are under no obligation to let anyone use their platform. If you phone the New York Times and insist they publish your views you will see what I mean, and that is censorship, it is also perfectly legal, even in a democracy.

When there is tyranny, there is no freedom of speech and messages that the regime doesn’t approve are labelled as “disinformation”.
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False equivalence fallacy, and I note you don't address the disinformation itself, just draw this false equivalence, but then again you seem to think armed insurrection on the Capitol building, where aa police officer was murdered by an armed mob, and the government forced to stop the legal transition of power after a democratic election "wasn't that serious" so you have a bizarre grasp of reality from these few posts.

Even if it would be disinformation, limiting freedom of speech is not good nor right solution.
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So it is ok to go into a crowded theatre and shout fire for a joke then?

If you think something is disinformation, you should prove and explain why so and then let people to choose what they believe.
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So yes then, you can point out it wasn't a fire after everyone has panicked and fled the theatre and hope no one is hurt? Come on now, you must have some notion of how damaging disinformation is the era of social media and the internet, especially in the middle of a pandemic? Do we wait for countless lives to be lost then, and then say "I told you so" after the fact? Which is the more responsible approach?



That's Trump, inciting insurrection before the capitol riots, whatever anyone's politics you'd have to be pretty blinkered not to see how dangerous the man is. Incidentally a police officer was killed in those riots, and the US government had to suspend its business as the lives of members of the government faced a very real threat. To suggest that wasn't that important is insane, it's hard to imagine a more damaging image globally to the credibility of the US than it's President, sworn to protect the constitution, inciting a mob to march on the Capitol building and "fight like hell" to stop the legal transfer of power in a democracy.
 
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Sheldon

Sheldon

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1213

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Sheldon said:
...you seem to think armed insurrection on the Capitol building, where aa police officer was murdered by an armed mob...
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Sorry, I think that is a lie. Only one that was murdered there was Ashli Babbitt. By what I know, one police officer died the next day to some heart problem and was not murdered by the "armed mob". It may be that the government officials killed him because he knew too much.

If you think it was and armed mob, please tell what were the arms and show evidence of them?
 
Sheldon

Sheldon

Veteran Member
1213 said:
I think that fits well to most fact checkers and Trump haters.
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It doesn't really matter how one feels about the man, his long proven track record of lies and misinformation, are a matter of public record. The fact he so strongly divides public opinion is not an accident, he is as self serving a politician as I've seen, and as ruthless an opportunist as well. He also quite deliberately uses rhetoric, to play on people's ignorance and fear.
 
Sheldon

Sheldon

Veteran Member
1213 said:
Sorry, I think that is a lie. Only one that was murdered there was Ashli Babbitt. By what I know, one police officer died the next day to some heart problem and was not murdered by the "armed mob".

If you think it was and armed mob, please tell what were the arms and show evidence of them?
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It was hyperbole perhaps but not a lie, two rioters armed with pepper spray attacked Brian Sicknick, a police officer defending the Capitol building, he had a stroke and later died. They may escape a murder charge, but the fact they were armed and attacked more than one police officer is a matter of record.

It may be that the government officials killed him because he knew too much.
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Oh good grief, how can you demand evidence in the same post you make an outrageous and unevidenced accusation like that.

Ashli Babbitt was shot and killed by an armed police officer defending the Capitol building and the members of the government, while she was trying to violently force here way into the main chamber at the head of a riotous mob, in which more than 140 officers were injured.

Some Jan. 6 Capitol rioters were armed with guns, documents show
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
metis said:
As I wrote in another post, after today I am leaving the RF political threads for an indetermined amount of time as I no longer want to deal with those who only talk-the-talk as Jesus condemned while supporting someone who is an adulterer, a hedonist, a materialist, a con man, one who cheated on his wives, used a prostitute and had her paid off, clearly tried to overturn the 2020 election, praises "strong leaders" like Putin, etc. What about these behaviors is moral in any way based on Judeo-Christian standards? If your church teaches that this is all fine & dandy, then maybe look for a church that actually teaches right from wrong.
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I love them going on about it because it helps to speed up the decline of Christianity. Very problematic the problems it's causing, but in the end it's showing a summary of Christianity's history, which is a history of unbridled hypocrisy.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Sheldon said:
It was hyperbole perhaps but not a lie, two rioters armed with pepper spray attacked Brian Sicknick, a police officer defending the Capitol building, he had a stroke and later died. They may escape a murder charge, but the fact they were armed and attacked more than one police officer is a matter of record.
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Stress kills. He was attacked during a day of unprecedented violence in America. It's reasonable to assume has this insurrection not happened he would still be alive as he would not have suffered the undue stress of defending the nation against an insurrection and he wouldn't have been subjected to harsh chemicals known for being health hazards.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
1213 said:
Sorry, I think that is a lie. Only one that was murdered there was Ashli Babbitt. By what I know, one police officer died the next day to some heart problem and was not murdered by the "armed mob". It may be that the government officials killed him because he knew too much.
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Are you for real? What evidence do you have for that? And what do you mean he "knew too much?"

1213 said:
If you think it was and armed mob, please tell what were the arms and show evidence of them?
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As to the insurrectionists not being armed, well, that's inaccurate:

Yes, Capitol Rioters Were Armed. Here Are The Weapons Prosecutors Say They Used
Capitol Protesters Were Armed With Variety of Weapons - FactCheck.org

Also, did you not see the gallows and noose? Did you not see the insurrectionists smashing through windows and doors with shields and clubs they took from the police and other makeshift weapons? Do you not remember that pipe bombs were planted outside political headquarters? Were you not aware that members of the crowd repeatedly tazed a police officer?
 
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1213

Well-Known Member
SkepticThinker said:
Are you for real? What evidence do you have for that? And what do you mean he "knew too much?"
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It is more believable to me than the official forging of the event.

SkepticThinker said:
As to the insurrectionists not being armed, well, that's inaccurate:

Yes, Capitol Rioters Were Armed. Here Are The Weapons Prosecutors Say They Used
Capitol Protesters Were Armed With Variety of Weapons - FactCheck.org
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Seems to be no images of the "weapons". But, this was intersting:
"(A Reuters investigation found that, as of 2017, more than 1,000 people died after police used a stun gun on them.)".

Why police use those, if they kill so many people?

Also, the "pipe bomb", I didn't found any image of it, and there was no evidence it was Trump supporter. And, because the person used mask outside, when he is alone, he most probably was not Trump supporter. :D

SkepticThinker said:
Also, did you not see the gallows and noose?...
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I think it is silly to think it was something more than a set piece. I don't think it is credible claim that someone would have meant it to be used, because it is too small and feeble.

https://external-content.duckduckgo...ds/2021/01/Outside-the-Capitol.jpg&f=1&nofb=1
 
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