Decline of Christianity in Canada Faster than Ever

[wellwisher]

How do you explain Christians supporting trump, and continue to support him despite his corruption, his cheating, his lying, and intent to deceive Americans?

Does anyone remember the Russian Collusion Delusion scam that the Democrats and deep state ran when Trump took office? The Democrats lied as an extended team. The entire team all bore false witness, against one person. This was brought to light by the Mueller investigation. Nobody was punished for the failed coup against a legally elected president. Although Durham is still looking into this.

The Democrats are now upset that Trump fought back, to right the wrong and he had to endure and beat them at their own game. Their propaganda still continues in the alternate reality of the Democrats since the are afraid less he regain power and gets even. Christians can see the unfairness and tend to route for underdogs and victims. Jesus was a victim of a conspiracy theory that was taken too far by the powers to be; Democrats and Swamp or Jews and Rome.

The America Democracy depends of a fair trial if one is accused. The Democrats have shown themselves to be the biggest threat to Democracy, since they violated the right to a fair trial for the leader the country. If they can do that to a leader we stand not chance. On four occasions that did not allow a fair trail for Trump. Mueller investigation, two impeachments and the insurrection scam.

In each case, the Democrats stack the deck with only angry Democrat prosecutors, who already made up their minds. The analogy is like a prosecutor being allowed to choose the entire jury for your trial, so they can guarantee the verdict they want, without any push back.

The current insurrection tribunal does not have anyone on the jury who is a juror for the defense, in its ranks. The tribunal started with two, who were dismissed, when they started asking questions about why Pelosi did not increase security two days early, which could have avoided everything. Instead her choice or negligence created a big problem. This four time undemocratic behavior of the Democrats, reminds me of Communist China and the Nazi's.

Once you lose the right to a fair trial you lose all rights since you can be railroaded for anything. Christians see this and will not support the dark side. Trump is not perfect, but he is the victim of hate, deception and lawlessness, so he will be protected. That is the Christian way.

 

[F1fan]

Does anyone remember the Russian Collusion Delusion scam that the Democrats and deep state ran when Trump took office? The Democrats lied as an extended team. The entire team all bore false witness, against one person. This was brought to light by the Mueller investigation. Nobody was punished for the failed coup against a legally elected president. Although Durham is still looking into this.

The Democrats are now upset that Trump fought back, to right the wrong and he had to endure and beat them at their own game. Their propaganda still continues in the alternate reality of the Democrats since the are afraid less he regain power and gets even. Christians can see the unfairness and tend to route for underdogs and victims. Jesus was a victim of a conspiracy theory that was taken too far by the powers to be; Democrats and Swamp or Jews and Rome.

The America Democracy depends of a fair trial if one is accused. The Democrats have shown themselves to be the biggest threat to Democracy, since they violated the right to a fair trial for the leader the country. If they can do that to a leader we stand not chance. On four occasions that did not allow a fair trail for Trump. Mueller investigation, two impeachments and the insurrection scam.

In each case, the Democrats stack the deck with only angry Democrat prosecutors, who already made up their minds. The analogy is like a prosecutor being allowed to choose the entire jury for your trial, so they can guarantee the verdict they want, without any push back.

The current insurrection tribunal does not have anyone on the jury who is a juror for the defense, in its ranks. The tribunal started with two, who were dismissed, when they started asking questions about why Pelosi did not increase security two days early, which could have avoided everything. Instead her choice or negligence created a big problem. This four time undemocratic behavior of the Democrats, reminds me of Communist China and the Nazi's.

Once you lose the right to a fair trial you lose all rights since you can be railroaded for anything. Christians see this and will not support the dark side. Trump is not perfect, but he is the victim of hate, deception and lawlessness, so he will be protected. That is the Christian way.

All of this avoids trump's corruption and lies to the American people.

Your reply misrepresents the facts about trump's corrupt behavior through right wing disinformation and rhetoric.

 

[F1fan]

Does anyone remember the Russian Collusion Delusion scam that the Democrats and deep state ran when Trump took office? The Democrats lied as an extended team. The entire team all bore false witness, against one person. This was brought to light by the Mueller investigation. Nobody was punished for the failed coup against a legally elected president. Although Durham is still looking into this.

The Democrats are now upset that Trump fought back, to right the wrong and he had to endure and beat them at their own game. Their propaganda still continues in the alternate reality of the Democrats since the are afraid less he regain power and gets even. Christians can see the unfairness and tend to route for underdogs and victims. Jesus was a victim of a conspiracy theory that was taken too far by the powers to be; Democrats and Swamp or Jews and Rome.

The America Democracy depends of a fair trial if one is accused. The Democrats have shown themselves to be the biggest threat to Democracy, since they violated the right to a fair trial for the leader the country. If they can do that to a leader we stand not chance. On four occasions that did not allow a fair trail for Trump. Mueller investigation, two impeachments and the insurrection scam.

In each case, the Democrats stack the deck with only angry Democrat prosecutors, who already made up their minds. The analogy is like a prosecutor being allowed to choose the entire jury for your trial, so they can guarantee the verdict they want, without any push back.

The current insurrection tribunal does not have anyone on the jury who is a juror for the defense, in its ranks. The tribunal started with two, who were dismissed, when they started asking questions about why Pelosi did not increase security two days early, which could have avoided everything. Instead her choice or negligence created a big problem. This four time undemocratic behavior of the Democrats, reminds me of Communist China and the Nazi's.

Once you lose the right to a fair trial you lose all rights since you can be railroaded for anything. Christians see this and will not support the dark side. Trump is not perfect, but he is the victim of hate, deception and lawlessness, so he will be protected. That is the Christian way.

I'm going to guess you are one of the 67% of conservatives who think Biden lost, and trump won via some voting fraud (for which there is no evidence). Am I wrong?

Just one more question: do you think the deep state is real? If so, why?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

People have gone online that’s all. But if you look at the number of forums where Christians preach there is no decline. The Virtual world is the new space people go to.

Wouldn't online Christians still self-identify as Christians?

And the poll results say that the percentage of people doing spiritual or religious practice on their own is way down, too.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Wouldn't online Christians still self-identify as Christians?

And the poll results say that the percentage of people doing spiritual or religious practice on their own is way down, too.

I know some very devout Christians who don’t go to church but attend mass on tv. There is no record of their enthusiasm but they are very strong believers. They send me copies of masses and sermons and devotional music everyday on WhatsApp. But all these activities are nowhere recorded. There’s heaps of people like that who have moved to the internet.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I know some very devout Christians who don’t go to church but attend mass on tv. There is no record of their enthusiasm but they are very strong believers. They send me copies of masses and sermons and devotional music everyday on WhatsApp. But all these activities are nowhere recorded. There’s heaps of people like that who have moved to the internet.

When these people are filling out the census and they get to the "religion" question, how would they answer?

Edit: and when asked whether they "engage in religious or spiritual activities on their own at least once a month," would they answer "yes" or "no?"

 

[loverofhumanity]

When these people are filling out the census and they get to the "religion" question, how would they answer?

Edit: and when asked whether they "engage in religious or spiritual activities on their own at least once a month," would they answer "yes" or "no?"

I see you’re point. Definitely yes. But people who are strong believers in the first place have no reason to say no. They probably were not that strong if they drifted away so easily?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I see you’re point. Definitely yes. But people who are strong believers in the first place have no reason to say no. They probably were not that strong if they drifted away so easily?

This gets back to my question from earlier: how much of this trend is because individuals had changes in belief and how much is because young adults are, on average, less religious than their grandparents?

 

[F1fan]

I know some very devout Christians who don’t go to church but attend mass on tv.

That makes it easier to be on your smart phone and shop for curtains. No peer pressure witnesses.

There is no record of their enthusiasm but they are very strong believers. They send me copies of masses and sermons and devotional music everyday on WhatsApp. But all these activities are nowhere recorded. There’s heaps of people like that who have moved to the internet.

I can't see many people watching sermons online when they are so boring in person. The televangelists succeed because they are kinda insane characters, and tend to say pretty outrageous nonsense.

I dated a girl some years ago who was a Christian and I went with her to her church service a few times. It was like a set of skits and talent show performances. it was not much like the traditional boring dude talking about how we're a bunch of no good scumbags destined for hell. Still, the whole thing just seemed like theater, not really something that teaches morals. At best I can see where they were trying to create a community for kids where there is pressure for them to volunteer and do charity, which i support. I just don't like all the christian dogma baggage that comes along with it. My girlfriend was a moderate but she questioned evolution. That doubt was fed by Creationists in Christianity.

 

[Colt]

How do you explain Christians supporting trump, and continue to support him despite his corruption, his cheating, his lying, and intent to deceive Americans?

Because even though Trump is a flawed human being, on balance he supports conservative political values and he likes America. The same reason the Left chose a crooked, racist geriatric patient in serious mental decline.

 

[Colt]

But conservatives were correct in condemning gays, and gay marriage. How do I know? They claimed their basis of judgment on their interpretation of the Bible.

When Christians claim their authority is the Bible, how does any rational person dispute their beliefs?

Heterosexual religious men wrote/organized the Bible so it’s in their image and reflects their beliefs.

 

[F1fan]

Because even though Trump is a flawed human being, on balance he supports conservative political values and he likes America. The same reason the Left chose a crooked, racist geriatric patient in serious mental decline.

It's not as if there is a lack of conservative politicians out there who have the same policies as trump. I'm asking why Christians are supporting a corrupt, cheating, liar. Can you explain this?

 

[F1fan]

Heterosexual religious men wrote/organized the Bible so it’s in their image and reflects their beliefs.

So no modern and progressive person should take the Bible seriously or literally since it was written and organized by narrow minded men.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Because even though Trump is a flawed human being, on balance he supports conservative political values and he likes America.

That's a pretty damning thing to say about conservative political values.

 

[loverofhumanity]

This gets back to my question from earlier: how much of this trend is because individuals had changes in belief and how much is because young adults are, on average, less religious than their grandparents?

I think what people have traditionally been believing in is not true religion and many have begun to realise that. I think young people have more open minds and can’t accept the narrow minded teachings of the priests. I also believe that they see the good in other religions so are more open to accepting them.

 

[PruePhillip]

Will everyone become like @Willamena ? Kinda short with a harry potter avatar? Doubt it.

It would be strange, but not surprising, for Canada and Europe to come under
Sharia Law in generations to come. Religion matters in unexpected ways. It's
no laughing matter.

To me its equally likely that secular laws will take on a religious character and that secular ideals will become more than just suggestions. For example Canada may start requiring charitable donations or may require morning meditation or particular training for children. The laws which we today call religious may have been just practical in the time and setting in which they were written.

In the sense there are no objective truths. That leaves you at the mercy of the new 'truth makers'
who decide on a near annual basis what the new morals will be. Today it's 'inclusive speech' and
tomorrow it could be banning the world 'polygamy' and replacing it with 'marrital rights.'

If you read Matthew 5,6 and 7, the so-called Sermon on the Mount, you get a feel for what absolute
Truth is - unchanging for every generation.

Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him,
and he began to teach them, saying:

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I think what people have traditionally been believing in is not true religion and many have begun to realise that. I think young people have more open minds and can’t accept the narrow minded teachings of the priests. I also believe that they see the good in other religions so are more open to accepting them.

As I touched on earlier, I think it was today's young people's parents - now approaching or beyond retirement age - who were the ones who couldn't accept the religions they were raised in. I think that they were mostly still reporting their childhood religious affiliation on the census form because of the misleading wording I mentioned earlier.

 

[Brickjectivity]

In the sense there are no objective truths. That leaves you at the mercy of the new 'truth makers'
who decide on a near annual basis what the new morals will be. Today it's 'inclusive speech' and
tomorrow it could be banning the world 'polygamy' and replacing it with 'marrital rights.'

If you read Matthew 5,6 and 7, the so-called Sermon on the Mount, you get a feel for what absolute
Truth is - unchanging for every generation.

I don't think Christianity is declining in Canada. I think it is reforming and being improved. Also laws can be repealed if they aren't suitable.

I think truth isn't objective, but love is. That's why Jesus can talk in parables and both be lying and telling the truth and it be your own fault if you misunderstand him. The lie is in you if you misunderstand not in him. Truth does change if you change the universe its in, or the paragraph a sentence is in. A good golfer might do poorly in a football game.

 

[Colt]

It's not as if there is a lack of conservative politicians out there who have the same policies as trump. I'm asking why Christians are supporting a corrupt, cheating, liar. Can you explain this?

It was a strange phenomenon. I live in the south and remember seeing Trump signs in front of impoverished homes. I think it’s because Trump isn’t a wussy. He speaks to the fake Leftist media complex. He respects our military and police. Obama was an arrogant liar who referred to Christians a “bitter clingers”.

 

[Colt]

So no modern and progressive person should take the Bible seriously or literally since it was written and organized by narrow minded men.

I take the true parts and spiritual wisdom and leave the rest,