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sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
My religion is better than yours. My gender is better, my race is better - it's the nature of the primitive ego.

The maturity we're reaching for is to realize what you write about - what is right for one is not for another.

Peter, Paul & Mary's song "All Mixed Up" is one I really like because it's about this

This doesn't mean we will all be the same
We'll have different faces and different names
Long live many different kinds of races
It's a difference of opinion that makes horse races
Just remember the rule about rules, brother
What could be right for one could be wrong for the other
And take a tip from La Belle France
"Viva la difference!"

 

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
A very simple question:)

Why do humans blame each others for having the "wrong faith or belief "?

Isn't the belief each one has a "tool" for them to find some form of truth?
Who says "my truth" is better for you?
What if "my faith and belief " is not what you seek?

Be whom you are, and seek truth where you see it arise for you :)
Faiths can be investigated to see if they are true. Of course each person comes with their own unique perspective. Nevertheless, I believe that God gives each person the opportunity to find the truth. If each person came with perfect intellect and spiritual prerequisites to find the truth, we would all agree. In the real world, we are all irrational to some degree, and spiritual attainments vary quite a bit. One person may be good at one set of spiritual attributes, while another will have a different set of spiritual attributes they are good at. This creates diversity in perceiving the truth, and preferences for different faiths, and different opinions about the same faith they may share. Unity in diversity is a Baha'i watchword.

I also believe it is not our job to decide who is favored by God, we know our own condition best by far, and God knows me better than I do by far.
 

Firelight

Inactive member
A very simple question:)

Why do humans blame each others for having the "wrong faith or belief "?

Isn't the belief each one has a "tool" for them to find some form of truth?
Who says "my truth" is better for you?
What if "my faith and belief " is not what you seek?

Be whom you are, and seek truth where you see it arise for you :)


Some people just have to always find fault with another. It’s like people come online just to be angry with and nit-pick others. I know that happens on this website. Any personal-attack or religion-insulting comments that are posted on this website need to be reported. It’s against the rules to insult another’s beliefs or religion.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Some people just have to always find fault with another. It’s like people come online just to be angry with and nit-pick others. I know that happens on this website. Any personal-attack or religion-insulting comments that are posted on this website need to be reported. It’s against the rules to insult another’s beliefs or religion.
Yes it does happen daily unfortunately
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
A very simple question:)

Why do humans blame each others for having the "wrong faith or belief "?

Isn't the belief each one has a "tool" for them to find some form of truth?
Who says "my truth" is better for you?
What if "my faith and belief " is not what you seek?

Be whom you are, and seek truth where you see it arise for you :)
I think it depends on the religion.

Like the Romans, almost all the conquered peoples were polytheistic. They worshiped their own gods, who they thought protected them. Since they believed other peoples had their own gods, they found it relatively easy to take part in festivals celebrating Roman gods. It was simply a matter of paying respect to the Romans.

In return, the Romans built temples and made animal sacrifices for the conquered peoples' gods. In fact, at various times other peoples' gods became wildly popular among Romans. The Romans actually identified the Greek gods with their own. Jupiter and Zeus, for example, were viewed as the same god. When Greco-Roman gods didn't meet their needs, many Romans joined mystery cults from the east. The cult of Isis, an Egyptian goddess, swept the empire at the beginning of the first century. The cult of Mithras, the Persian sun god, proved particularly popular to soldiers (and useful to the empire because it idealized courage).

The Romans generally tolerated these cults, but there were exceptions. Crowds celebrating Dionysus, a Greek god associated with wine and drunkenness, grew so frenzied that Rome suppressed the cult for a while. But within a few years, Rome relented and allowed it as long as no more than five worshiped at any one time. When a priest from the cult of Isis seduced an innocent Roman woman, Roman Emperor Tiberius ordered the temple destroyed and its priests executed. But the next emperor once again permitted the cult.

The religions that Rome had the most problems with were monotheistic—Judaism and Christianity. Because these religions believed there was just one god, they prohibited worshiping other gods. Their members refused to make offerings to Roman gods or take part in Roman religious festivals, which Rome considered a matter of showing loyalty. These religions tested Roman tolerance.


My guess is that as Christianity started to really get hold, this idea of there being just one God became even more important for them. Remember the first commandment is that you shall have no other God. Obviously the times were different and religion was a lot more dominating than it is now, especially in regards to political power. So personally I think the churches pretty quickly figured out that if people followed them it gave them a lot of influence, so the more followers they had the more power they had, so there simply weren't room for others.

Remember these were capable of convincing people that witches should be burned, the inquisition.
The Inquisition was a powerful office set up within the Catholic Church to root out and punish heresy throughout Europe and the Americas. Beginning in the 12th century and continuing for hundreds of years, the Inquisition is infamous for the severity of its tortures and its persecution of Jews and Muslims.

So it was fundamentalism in all its glory and probably even more extreme than what we see today amongst the fundamentalists Islamic groups. But obviously over time as we know, the churches lost a lot of their power so we don't see these things anymore, and they seem to focus more on tolerance. Except for those Islamic groups and others which also occasionally reach the headlines.

You are probably better off, or at least it might be interesting for you, to look into the history of these things and why they did what they did, there is without a doubt a lot of people that have written about this.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
A very simple question:)

Why do humans blame each others for having the "wrong faith or belief "?

Isn't the belief each one has a "tool" for them to find some form of truth?
Who says "my truth" is better for you?
What if "my faith and belief " is not what you seek?

Be whom you are, and seek truth where you see it arise for you :)
Perhaps for many - the non-believers - WYSIWYG tends to inform their lives, and where religions and religious beliefs chip away at this in their fashion to present a picture (or monument) as suits them, with such being influenced as to when and where it was created. Hence quite understandable as to why we seem to differ as to what truth is. We can't all live in the same time and place.

PS Not saying WYSIWYG is the truth either. :oops:
 
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Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Perhaps for many - the non-believers - WYSIWYG tends to inform their lives, and where religions and religious beliefs chip away at this in their fashion to present a picture (or monument) as suits them, with such being influenced as to when and where it was created. Hence quite understandable as to why we seem to differ as to what truth is. We can't all live in the same time and place.

PS Not saying WYSIWYG is the truth either. :oops:
WYSIWYG.....is the language or belif on Mars :confused:
 

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
Why do humans blame each others for having the "wrong faith or belief "?
Simply because people in different cultures have forgotten the cultural collective unity in their own religious Story of Creation which is very similar all over the world.

We all live in the same planet Earth, in the same Solar System, in the same Milky Way galaxy and in the same local part of the observable Universe - THIS is our common Story of Creation.

And we are all equal in this matter, no matter of ethnicity or genders.

If somebody (especially priests) tells you otherwise, just forgive him or her for not knowing of the natural and universal conditions.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
A very simple question:)

Why do humans blame each others for having the "wrong faith or belief "?

Isn't the belief each one has a "tool" for them to find some form of truth?
Who says "my truth" is better for you?
What if "my faith and belief " is not what you seek?

Be whom you are, and seek truth where you see it arise for you :)


Why? Because they believe their faith is the correct faith and yours is wrong and it frels good to them to tell you this
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Some people just have to always find fault with another. It’s like people come online just to be angry with and nit-pick others. I know that happens on this website. Any personal-attack or religion-insulting comments that are posted on this website need to be reported. It’s against the rules to insult another’s beliefs or religion.
You can't have debate or critique without insulting a religion.

I agree insulting a person him or herself ought to be frowned upon, but religion is fair game.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
A very simple question:)

Why do humans blame each others for having the "wrong faith or belief "?

Isn't the belief each one has a "tool" for them to find some form of truth?
Who says "my truth" is better for you?
What if "my faith and belief " is not what you seek?

Be whom you are, and seek truth where you see it arise for you :)
Religions often impose themselves on non-adherents.

If someone tries to make me live according to the rules of their religion or otherwise impose their beliefs on me, then I'm going to demand that they justify their beliefs to my satisfaction.
 

Firelight

Inactive member
You can't have debate or critique without insulting a religion.

I agree insulting a person him or herself ought to be frowned upon, but religion is fair game.

Yes, you can. It’s simple to state your own beliefs during debate without insulting another religion in the process. By insulting, I don’t mean disagreeing with a teaching or a topic, I mean directing insults at a particular religion.

To be clear, though, the following is against the rules as found under Rule #3 of the Forum Rules:

2) Defamation, slander, or misrepresentation of a member's beliefs/arguments, or that of a particular group, culture, or religion. This includes altering the words of another member to change their meaning when using the quote feature.

3) Antagonism, bullying, or harassment - including but not limited to personal attacks, slander, and misrepresentation - of a member across multiple content areas of the forums. Repeatedly targeting or harassing members of particular groups will also be considered bullying.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
A very simple question:)

Why do humans blame each others for having the "wrong faith or belief "?

Isn't the belief each one has a "tool" for them to find some form of truth?
Who says "my truth" is better for you?
What if "my faith and belief " is not what you seek?

Be whom you are, and seek truth where you see it arise for you :)

I don't know. I haven't came across that offline and online they seem to challenge the validity of ones faith not whether their faith is right for them. I've seen the opposite actually.

As for me, I know it's a cliche to say if we know we're going through a spiritual awakening it's not a spiritual awakening.

No need for therapy and finishing school next month. I have time to focus on my spiritual health, learn more about these insights and coincidences I've been having lately, continue to meditate, and smile.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I don't know. I haven't came across that offline and online they seem to challenge the validity of ones faith not whether their faith is right for them. I've seen the opposite actually.

As for me, I know it's a cliche to say if we know we're going through a spiritual awakening it's not a spiritual awakening.

No need for therapy and finishing school next month. I have time to focus on my spiritual health, learn more about these insights and coincidences I've been having lately, continue to meditate, and smile.
I wish I had an easy answer to my own OP :) But that isn't the case. So all answers in this OP give me a lot of food for thoughts so speak.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
A very simple question:)

Why do humans blame each others for having the "wrong faith or belief "?

Isn't the belief each one has a "tool" for them to find some form of truth?
Who says "my truth" is better for you?
What if "my faith and belief " is not what you seek?

Be whom you are, and seek truth where you see it arise for you :)
Clearly, It's very important to us to feel that we know the truth of reality. We humans survive and thrive by understanding our environment well enough to manipulate it, or ourselves in relation to it, to our own advantage. And we become frightened when confronted with the possibility that we may be quite wrong in what we think we know.

We debate each other because it's important to us to understand the truth of reality as best we can, and to root out our errors. Yet when it appears that we might actually be wrong, we tend to get very defensive, because being wrong means we are vulnerable.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I wish I had an easy answer to my own OP :) But that isn't the case. So all answers in this OP give me a lot of food for thoughts so speak.

I like the quote (and book) letters to a young poet by Rainer Maria Rilke:

Be patient toward all that is unsolved in your heart and try to love the questions themselves, like locked rooms and like books that are now written in a very foreign tongue. Do not now seek the answers, which cannot be given you because you would not be able to live them. And the point is, to live everything. Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answer.


https://www.amazon.com/Letters-Youn...t=&hvlocphy=1018511&hvtargid=pla-329586309347
 
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Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
A very simple question:)

Why do humans blame each others for having the "wrong faith or belief "?

Isn't the belief each one has a "tool" for them to find some form of truth?
Who says "my truth" is better for you?
What if "my faith and belief " is not what you seek?

Be whom you are, and seek truth where you see it arise for you :)
No. Belief isn't simply a tool to find some form of Truth, for most. It is for some, but for most beliefs are something in which they have invested their sense of self identities. And further than that, their beliefs is where they seek to find a sense of their own immortalities.

If you'll bear with a little heady explanation here, I'm going to quote from a contemporary philosopher whom I find a great deal of insight with. He speaks of the difference between faith and doubt, which I very much agree with, and which my personal experience affirms.

I've highlighted in bold below what I think will really help you to understand what you are seeing, and to contrast yourself with the 'true believer' you are asking questions about. I see you much more as the person of faith, who takes things more philosophically and less invested in being "right" in an effort to protect your immortality symbols, or to project your doubts upon others. I hope this helps:

Belief

Belief is the lowest form of religious involvement, and, in fact, it often seems to operate with no authentic religious connection whatsoever. The "true believer" - one who has no literal faith, let alone actual experience - embraces a more-or-less codified belief system that appears to act most basically as a fund of immortality symbols. This can be the mythic-exoteric religion (e.g., fundamentalist Protestantism, lay Shintoism, pop Hinduism, etc.), rational-scientism, Maoism, civil religion, and so on. What they all have in common, when thus made a matter of "true belief," is that an ideological nexus is wedded to one's qualifications for immortality.

I believe this generates a peculiar, secondary psychodynamic: since one's immortality prospects hang on the veracity of the ideological nexus, the nexus as a whole can be critically examined only with the greatest of difficulty. Thus, when the normal and unavoidable moments of uncertainty or disbelief occur (magic: is this dance really causing rain? mythic: was the world really created in six days? scientistic: what happened before the big bang? etc.), the questioning impulses are not long allowed to remain in the self-system (they are threats to one's immortality qualifications). As a result, the disbelieving impulse tends to be projected onto others and then attacked "out there" with an obsessive endurance.
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On the more benign side, belief can serve as the appropriate conceptual expression and codification of a religious involvement of any higher degree (faith, experience, adaptation). Here, a belief system acts as a rational clarification of transrational truths, as well as the introductory, exoteric, preparatory "reading material" for initiates. When belief systems are thus linked to actual higher (authentic) religiousness, they can be called, not because of themselves but because of association, authentic belief systems.

Faith

Faith goes beyond belief but not as far as actual religious experience. The true believer can usually give you all the reasons he is "right", and if you genuinely question his reasons he tends to take it very personally (because you have, in fact, just questioned his qualifications for immortality). His belief system is a politics of durability. The person of faith, on the other hand, will usually have a series of beliefs, but the religious involvement of this person does not seem to be generated solely, or even predominantly by the beliefs. Frequently, in fact, the person cannot say why he is "right" (faith), and should you criticize what reasons he does give, he generally takes it all rather philosophically. In my opinion, this is because belief, in these cases, is not the actual source of the religious involvement; rather the person somehow intuits very God as being immanent in (as well as transcendent to) this world and this life. Beliefs become somewhat secondary, since the same intuition can be put in any number of apparent equivalent ways ("They call Him many who is really One"). The person of faith tends to shun literalism, dogmatism, evangelicalism, fundamentalism, which define almost solely the true believer.

Paradoxically, the person of faith is often in great and agonizing religious doubt, which the true believer rarely experiences. The true believer has projected his doubts onto others and is too busy trying to convert them to pay attention to his own inner status. The person of faith, however, begins to transcend mere consoling beliefs and thus is open to intense doubt, which the person frequently takes to be a sign of a lack of faith, which worries him sorely. But this is not usually the case.
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In fact, the greater the faith-intuition, the greater the doubt. Zen has a profound saying on this:

Great doubt, great enlightenment;
Small doubt, small enlightenment;
No doubt, no enlightenment.


How different that is from the literal and dogmatic certainty of the true believer.

There seems to be only two ways fundamentally to alleviate this doubt and yearning. One is to revert to mere belief and clothes the doubt in more rigid and external forms (i.e., immortality symbols). The other is to act on the yearning and advance to experience.

Source: https://www.amazon.com/Sociable-God...keywords=a+sociable+god&qid=1634309215&sr=8-1

I very much see you in that last sentence about the person of faith contrasted with the 'true believer", "The other is to act on the yearning and advance to experience." That's in all your posts. You are reaching beyond beliefs. I hope this help clarify some things for yourself.
 
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Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
A very simple question:)

Why do humans blame each others for having the "wrong faith or belief "?

Isn't the belief each one has a "tool" for them to find some form of truth?
Who says "my truth" is better for you?
What if "my faith and belief " is not what you seek?

Be whom you are, and seek truth where you see it arise for you :)

Because some faiths can be destructive or at least seem that way to someone who cares about you or someone who doesn't care so much about you but sees your faith as something that causes them grief.
 
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