IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
They were following a false messiah
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Christianity from Judaism?
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PearlSeeker
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Then Rabbi Akiva and all the Jews following Bar Kocbha were also heretics.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Are you asking me if bar Kochba was the messiah, then no, he wasn't.
PearlSeeker, no one believed that bar Kochba was the messiah after he died, because it meant he failed without fulfilling the prophecies.
A better analogy to have used would have been the Lubavitchers, who believe the Rebbe was the messiah and that he will soon rise from the dead. And yes, they are heretics, but we love them anyhow
I think it's also good to note that not all of them believe this.A better analogy to have used would have been the Lubavitchers, who believe the Rebbe was the messiah and that he will soon rise from the dead. And yes, they are heretics, but we love them anyhow
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I have never met a Shaliach who didn't believe it, but apparently you have, so ok.
It's my understanding that while many Lubavitchers do believe this, not all do. It's not a doctrine of the Chabad sect.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
@IndigoChild5559 ,
You sound very sure of this idea about the Chabad and the Rebbe; but, is it possible the Shlichim are believing in the rising from the dead ( which would make him a tzaddik ) but not that the Rebbe is the Mashiach? The two are related, but not automatically paired.
The Rebbe said to expect Mashiach soon. Following those instructions would include the belief that the Rebbe would rise from the dead soon. But that doesn't mean the Rebbe is the Messiah.
You sound very sure of this idea about the Chabad and the Rebbe; but, is it possible the Shlichim are believing in the rising from the dead ( which would make him a tzaddik ) but not that the Rebbe is the Mashiach? The two are related, but not automatically paired.
The Rebbe said to expect Mashiach soon. Following those instructions would include the belief that the Rebbe would rise from the dead soon. But that doesn't mean the Rebbe is the Messiah.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
okay.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I think that the fact that it is easy for some Chabadniks to beelieve that the Rebbe will come back to life shows how the disciples fell into the same trap.
Jedster
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I can confirm this. I was in Chabad for a short time.
firedragon
Veteran Member
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I attended Chabad for several years. I don't look at what the typical person who attends thinks. I'm referring to the leaders, the shluchim. I didn't know THAT many, but the ones I knew did all think that the Rebbe would return. But on the other hand, it was not a good idea for me to generalize from so small a sampling. Rival apparently has known some who didn't, and that's good enough for me to change my view.
PearlSeeker
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As well no one would believe Jesus is Christ (Messiah) after he died if there wasn't resurrection. Paul: "if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain." (1 Corinthians 15:14)Are you asking me if bar Kochba was the messiah, then no, he wasn't.
PearlSeeker, no one believed that bar Kochba was the messiah after he died, because it meant he failed without fulfilling the prophecies.
A better analogy to have used would have been the Lubavitchers, who believe the Rebbe was the messiah and that he will soon rise from the dead. And yes, they are heretics, but we love them anyhow
Even if there were a resurrection, it still wouldn't make him the mashiach; being resurrected is not a requirement.
He's away for Shabbat rn
PearlSeeker
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If he just died, he failed. If he was raised he still might finish the job. So no heresy.
He's meant to do it the first time.
firedragon
Veteran Member
He's away for Shabbat rn
Ah. Wish him well.
PearlSeeker
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Why do you think so?