Does circumcision promote sexual purity?

firedragon · Sep 22, 2021

Xavier Graham SA said:
I’ve wondered why God of Israel commanded circumcision. I know it’s a sign of the covenant between Abraham and God, but what does circumcision do? People in the present day often say that circumcision is immoral.
I think the purpose of circumcision is to promote sexual purity. I think the process of being circumcised is similar to neutering ones dog. When you neuter a dog, you take care of some behavioral issues that a tame animal shouldn’t have, right? Perhaps not the best comparison but that’s what I’m getting at. Circumcising a guy is in a way neutering him. Perhaps it makes it easier to control sexual urges and be pure. Israel was supposed to remain pure as they were the catalyst for the Messiah. That’s why they had all of their laws, right?
What do you guys think the purpose of circumcision is? Is it immoral?

Circumcision is not like neutering. And I cant really say if it has any purity in it as well. All of these are assumptions based on nothing, in my opinion.

amorphous_constellation · Sep 22, 2021

Xavier Graham SA said:
I’ve wondered why God of Israel commanded circumcision. I know it’s a sign of the covenant between Abraham and God, but what does circumcision do? People in the present day often say that circumcision is immoral.
I think the purpose of circumcision is to promote sexual purity. I think the process of being circumcised is similar to neutering ones dog. When you neuter a dog, you take care of some behavioral issues that a tame animal shouldn’t have, right? Perhaps not the best comparison but that’s what I’m getting at. Circumcising a guy is in a way neutering him. Perhaps it makes it easier to control sexual urges and be pure. Israel was supposed to remain pure as they were the catalyst for the Messiah. That’s why they had all of their laws, right?
What do you guys think the purpose of circumcision is? Is it immoral?

In America, my generation, the millennials, are apparently heavily circumcised. I have no why I am, or what for. I wouldn't know what I'm missing

John D. Brey · Sep 22, 2021

firedragon said:
Circumcision is not like neutering. And I cant really say if it has any purity in it as well. All of these are assumptions based on nothing, in my opinion.

Your statement seems odd. A knife is taken to the male reproductive organ. And my Jewish friends have told me that the blood drawn is the primary symbol in the ritual (dam brit).

As fate would have it, in Jewish symbolism, blood outside of a body always represents death (particularly if it's drawn with a blade in a ritual). So if the blood of the penis represents what blood always represents in Jewish symbolism, then it represents the death of the penis. How is that not something similar to neutering, or ritual emasculation?

Imagine a child born after the purifying emasculation. Which would naturally have to be a virgin conception and pregnancy if the father's penis was truly emasculate, bled to death, i.e., requiring a virgin birth. Has history even implied such a thing has ever happened? Does the history writ large concerning such a thing imply the one so born is pure, purified, or different from other lesser born sinners?

John

firedragon · Sep 22, 2021

John D. Brey said:
Your statement seems odd. A knife is taken to the male reproductive organ. And my Jewish friends have told me that the blood drawn is the primary symbol in the ritual (dam brit).

As fate would have it, in Jewish symbolism, blood outside of a body always represents death (particularly if it's drawn with a blade in a ritual). So if the blood of the penis represents what blood always represents in Jewish symbolism, then it represents the death of the penis. How is that not something similar to neutering, or ritual emasculation?

Imagine a child born after the purifying emasculation. Which would naturally have to be a virgin pregnancy if the father's penis was emasculate, bled to death, i.e., a virgin birth. Has history even implied such a thing has ever happened?

John

What you believe is your belief. Not only jews but a lot of people believe circumcision is some kind of purification and some kind of sexual inhibitor of some sorts. That is your belief.

1. Circumcision is not like neutering
2. I cant say it purifies anything

Truthseeker · Sep 22, 2021

Xavier Graham SA said:
I’ve wondered why God of Israel commanded circumcision. I know it’s a sign of the covenant between Abraham and God, but what does circumcision do? People in the present day often say that circumcision is immoral.
I think the purpose of circumcision is to promote sexual purity. I think the process of being circumcised is similar to neutering ones dog. When you neuter a dog, you take care of some behavioral issues that a tame animal shouldn’t have, right? Perhaps not the best comparison but that’s what I’m getting at. Circumcising a guy is in a way neutering him. Perhaps it makes it easier to control sexual urges and be pure. Israel was supposed to remain pure as they were the catalyst for the Messiah. That’s why they had all of their laws, right?
What do you guys think the purpose of circumcision is? Is it immoral?

I have no idea why circumcision is considered a sign of the Covenant between the Hebrews and God. It is a ritual that says that, that's all I know.

InvestigateTruth · Sep 23, 2021

Xavier Graham SA said:
I’ve wondered why God of Israel commanded circumcision. I know it’s a sign of the covenant between Abraham and God, but what does circumcision do? People in the present day often say that circumcision is immoral.
I think the purpose of circumcision is to promote sexual purity. I think the process of being circumcised is similar to neutering ones dog. When you neuter a dog, you take care of some behavioral issues that a tame animal shouldn’t have, right? Perhaps not the best comparison but that’s what I’m getting at. Circumcising a guy is in a way neutering him. Perhaps it makes it easier to control sexual urges and be pure. Israel was supposed to remain pure as they were the catalyst for the Messiah. That’s why they had all of their laws, right?
What do you guys think the purpose of circumcision is? Is it immoral?

I don't think it is required. I'm not sure if has benefits. Probably help the area remain clean. But if we take shower often then I don't see any benefit. If I had a son, Probably I wouldn't do it.

BilliardsBall · Sep 23, 2021

Xavier Graham SA said:
I’ve wondered why God of Israel commanded circumcision. I know it’s a sign of the covenant between Abraham and God, but what does circumcision do? People in the present day often say that circumcision is immoral.
I think the purpose of circumcision is to promote sexual purity. I think the process of being circumcised is similar to neutering ones dog. When you neuter a dog, you take care of some behavioral issues that a tame animal shouldn’t have, right? Perhaps not the best comparison but that’s what I’m getting at. Circumcising a guy is in a way neutering him. Perhaps it makes it easier to control sexual urges and be pure. Israel was supposed to remain pure as they were the catalyst for the Messiah. That’s why they had all of their laws, right?
What do you guys think the purpose of circumcision is? Is it immoral?

Biblical purpose of circumcision, covenant with the Hebrews/picture of Jesus/covenant made with blood.

John D. Brey · Sep 23, 2021

firedragon said:
What you believe is your belief. Not only jews but a lot of people believe circumcision is some kind of purification and some kind of sexual inhibitor of some sorts. That is your belief.

1. Circumcision is not like neutering
2. I cant say it purifies anything

What I meant to say to you is that "belief," coupled with facts, and rational thought, makes a powerful tag-team or else a triune group of a** kickers.

It's one thing to spout beliefs alone, and another to back the beliefs up with one or both of those two big bad dudes (facts, reason) reaching into the ring wanting their chance to throw doubt a good beatin.

John

firedragon · Sep 23, 2021

John D. Brey said:
What I meant to say to you is that "belief," coupled with facts, and rational thought, makes a powerful tag-team or else a triune group of a** kickers.

It's one thing to spout beliefs alone, and another to back the beliefs up with one or both of those two big bad dudes (facts, reason) reaching into the ring wanting their chance to throw doubt a good beatin.

John

So do you have belief backed by some other facts or findings that circumcision is the same as neutering?

John D. Brey · Sep 23, 2021

firedragon said:
So do you have belief backed by some other facts or findings that circumcision is the same as neutering?

More than you know. The primary point of neutering is to keep the one neutered from impregnating anyone or thing. Ritual circumcision, i.e., Jewish circumcision, is a divine-decree said (throughout Jewish religious thought) to be a "sign" of the arrival of Messiah.

If Messiah's father is genuinely, rather than merely ritually or emblematically circumcised, neutered, emasculated, then his son ----Messiah -----would need to be born of a virgin.

Have you ever met a person, or come across an ancient historical document, that implied some clown claiming to be Messiah was born of a unique, circumspect, conception process? A conception process that implies his father was neutered, and yet he ---Messiah ----was nevertheless born anyway. You know, from a virgin, as would be required if the father was neutered, circumcised, emasculated?

. . . I mean come on now firedragon. This stuff isn't rocket scientry.

John

firedragon · Sep 23, 2021

John D. Brey said:
More than you know. The primary point of neutering is to keep the one neutered from impregnating anyone or thing. Ritual circumcision, i.e., Jewish circumcision, is a divine-decree said (throughout Jewish religious thought) to be a "sign" of the arrival of Messiah.

If Messiah's father is genuinely, rather than merely ritually or emblematically circumcised, neutered, emasculated, then his son ----Messiah -----would need to be born of a virgin.

Have you ever met a person, or come across an ancient historical document, that implied some clown claiming to be Messiah was born of a unique, circumspect, conception process? A conception process that implies his father was neutered, and yet he ---Messiah ----was nevertheless born anyway. You know, from a virgin, as would be required if the father was neutered, circumcised, emasculated?

. . . I mean come on now firedragon. This stuff isn't rocket scientry.

John

Since your response does not provide any kind of answer to the question I asked, I will cut and paste the same question once more. I dont expect an answer anyway after this post which is absolutely irrelevant. Forget rocket science, I think a school kid would see that.

"So do you have belief backed by some other facts or findings that circumcision is the same as neutering?"

Moonjuice · Sep 23, 2021

Xavier Graham SA said:
What do you guys think the purpose of circumcision is? Is it immoral?

What is more plausible, that the all powerful creator of the universe really wants certain men to cut off pieces of their sexual organ in order to show god that they are committed to him OR that a grown man who is leading a group of ignorant desert dwellers CLAIMED that god told him all the men should cut off their foreskins? History has proven humans have incorrectly attributed all sorts of idiotic ideas to "god told me to do it" and this seems to be just another clear example.

This is the type of idea that if it weren't part of a religious tradition, people would think you have gone insane if you suggested this.

"Can't we just pierce our ears or something?"

John D. Brey · Sep 23, 2021

firedragon said:
"So do you have belief backed by some other facts or findings that circumcision is the same as neutering?"

My belief is that ritual circumcision is a ritual symbolizing the actual. So to answer your question, no, I don't have facts that show that removing the foreskin from the penis (a mere ritual) is the same as neutering (i.e., the actuality of the ritual).

Removing the foreskin merely signifies (symbolizes) what role the actual neutering (actual rather than ritual circumcision) will play in the conception and birth of a man born of a virgin claiming to be the actual firstborn Jew who is thus self-evidently Messiah.

John

firedragon · Sep 23, 2021

John D. Brey said:
My belief is that ritual circumcision is a ritual symbolizing the actual. So to answer your question, no, I don't have facts that show that removing the foreskin from the penis (a mere ritual) is the same as neutering (i.e., the actuality of the ritual).

Removing the foreskin merely signifies (symbolizes) what role the actual neutering (actual rather than ritual circumcision) will play in the conception and birth of a man born of a virgin claiming to be the actual firstborn Jew who is thus self-evidently Messiah.

John

I will not continue on the same dialogue. It goes nowhere.

Nevertheless, God, the father of the Messiah was circumcised?

John D. Brey · Sep 23, 2021

firedragon said:
Nevertheless, God, the father of the Messiah was circumcised?

These things must be hidden from the eyes of the profane. For instance your question is answered in the painting, Masaccio's Trinity, for those looking at it with circumcised eyes. Hint: Jesus is God's male member. And he's cut off.

John

firedragon · Sep 23, 2021

John D. Brey said:
These things must be hidden from the eyes of the profane. For instance your question is answered in the painting, Masaccio's Trinity, for those looking at it with circumcised eyes. Hint: Jesus is God's male member. And he's cut off.

John

So in your thesis, Jesus is God's male organ right? So God's male member was born through a virgin, which means God didn't have his male member prior to that. Right?

Sonic247 · Sep 24, 2021

Romans says it was a sign of the faith Abraham has, and seems to signify to a certain extent cutting of the flesh in the sense of letting your heart be guided by the Spirit and not the flesh. Either way it wasn't a pragmatic thing just to help with sexual purity and if it was it certainly didn't work. (Ezekiel 22:11, Jeremiah 5:7 and many others)

stvdv · Sep 24, 2021

Evangelicalhumanist said:
For myself, I can't imagine God would be interested -- or design a penis with a foreskin that He didn't like.

stvdv · Sep 24, 2021

Revoltingest said:
Just what is sexual "purity"....girl on girl?

Definitely when both are virgins (not having had sex with males)

stvdv · Sep 24, 2021

Evangelicalhumanist said:
And if you think it promotes sexual purity -- well, sorry, you're quite wrong. Circumcised men are having just as much fun as the other sort.

IMO:
Sexual purity is not about having sex or not or having fun having sex or not

Sexual abstinence is different from sexual purity, and purity can be while enjoying things (including sex)

Does circumcision promote sexual purity?

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