I loathe government types exempting themselves
from the rules they impose upon others.
from the rules they impose upon others.
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As expected of Democrats, Biden exempts congress he mandates the forcing of vaccine.
- Thread starter Twilight Hue
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Lead by example. Nothing wrong with that.
I still however don't think it's legal to force people or get fired, not able to collect benefits, lose Cobra protection.
If the theme is 'progressive' it has a funny way of going about it.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That's the whole point of the thread.
I avoided the partisan aspects of it though.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I don't see how partisan angles could be avoided.
No mention of natural immunity.
No mention of any health exemption. Like allergies.
No mention of any Democrats opposed to Biden's mandate. It has to effect their jobs too.
Suave
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Perhaps we can agree Biden's vaccine mandate is government overreach. As much as I'd like most everybody to be mRNA vaccinated, I'm totally against forced vaccinations. I might not have needed to get vaccinated, because my natural immunity worked very well in response to being infected with SARS-CoV2. Unfortunately, I most likely spread C.O.V.I.D.-10 to my then wife who became very ill from me infecting her with SARS-Cov2. I was still able to shed the virus without any symptoms of illness. I personally chose to be mRNA vaccinated in order to reduce my chances of becoming re-infected and spreading C.O.V.I.D.-19 to others around me who aren't very well naturally immune against the SARS-CoV2.
Like so many of your threads, this one is about your favourite trope -- hate anything left of you.
Making mandates that one doesn't follow -- that would be "hypocrisy" would it not? And isn't that exactly what Senate Republicans did with Merrick Garland (voted down because it was too close to end of second term) and reversing that stand with Amy Coney Barratt?
Did not Lindsay Graham say these words? “I want you to use my words against me: If there’s a Republican president in 2016 and a vacancy occurs in the last year of the first term, you can say Lindsey O. Graham said, ‘Let’s let the next president, whoever it might be, make that nomination,’ ” Graham said in March 2016. “And you could use my words against me, and you’d be absolutely right.”
If you'd like your thread to be about hypocrisy, you might be honest about it.
On the other hand, if it's just your usual hatred of anybody to the left of Generalissimo Franco, well, you're there already.
I don't see vaccine mandates as overreach at all. If -- and let's be clear, that's an "if" -- this is a pandemic that raises a huge threat, then the government must deal with it. One might compare it, just for example, to the draft in wartime. "We're at war, everyone who is able is required to do their part."
I think, I have to say, that there are situations in which each of us really should be required to submit.
Suave
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Fortunately for us in my community, the C.O.V.I.D.-19 pandemic has ended where 85 percent of our adult population is well immune against C.O.V.I.D. by already being vaccinated or infected with the SARS-CoV2. Hence, a federal vaccine mandate here would be government overreach. Also, a person who considers the use of vaccines as being unethical due to cell strains originating from abortions used in vaccine research and development can't be forced against his or her moral objections to being vaccinated.
Okay, mandated vaccines are one thing. Then we come to the question of what you are permitted to do if you refuse to be vaccinated. (Let's liken this to seat belts: I can sit in my car all day and no law can force me do fasten my seat belt. I am, however, not permitted to drive the car if I do not, and the law can exact a penalty for same.)
So, many jurisdictions have versions of the Ontario Quarantine Act, which gives government the power to ensure that people infected with communicable diseases can be prevented from spreading those diseases in the community. And the Ontario Human Rights Commission has just said it is acceptable in this province to refuse entry to those who cannot or will not provide a proof of full vaccination, or a negative test within a given time-frame.
I'll grant that this will be tested in court, as it should be. That is the way law works, and it's important to respect that. I guess my biggest point with those who will take it to court is this: Why should you have the right to increase the risk of infecting multiple people in such situations, just so that you can do what you want, without bothering to do what you should? And not only increase the risk to others, but also to greatly increase the risk of further spread and shut-downs of whole economies.
I mean, there is no law on the books regarding dress in restaurants, but I can promise you, you will not be permitted in (and the courts will back the establishment) if you decide you don't feel like wearing a shirt, or footwear -- or even, in some spaces, a jacket and tie. What happened to your "rights" in those cases?
Government employees and contractors are engaged at the pleasure of the government, department and so forth. But elected representatives in the House and Senate were "hired" by the voters in their districts. Does even the President have the power to "fire" them for something like this?
Suave
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I'm against federal vaccine mandates imposed nationally against private sector employers, because I'd rather have local communities and businesses determine the public safety measures or work place safety rules most appropriate for their localities in order to ensure the safety of their citizens.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I think that's something the courts are going to have to determine.
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I’m wondering why the mandates since monoclonal antibodies are available and another option now.