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Most "SCARY" invention of mankind. What is it?

Augustus

Augustus

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Mock Turtle said:
I suppose that ideologies, as to religions being a subset of these in my view, could be labelled as being the most dangerous thing though.
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Without ideologies (inc. religions) we'd still be living in small familial groupings of hunter gatherers.

Whether this would be a good or bad thing depends on your ideology though :grimacing:
 
RestlessSoul

RestlessSoul

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firedragon said:
I dont know. Some people used arrows and spears with stone and wood as weapons to try their best safeguard their families. You see?
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Yep. And some millennia later, having failed to turn our swords into ploughshares, we have turned those Stone Age weapons into nuclear warheads. So perhaps it is time for humanity to put down the weapons, and find another way to resolve disputes?
 
RestlessSoul

RestlessSoul

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Augustus said:
Without ideologies (inc. religions) we'd still be living in small familial groupings of hunter gatherers.

Whether this would be a good or bad thing depends on your ideology though :grimacing:
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I’d imagine agriculture had more to do with that than ideology, surely?
 
Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
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firedragon said:
So you think religions are the most dangerous invention of mankind. And you base it on a "dont know"? Please explain if you have some time.
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I think that might take going over all of my life, what I have seen, read, absorbed, and deduced. So I'm not about to expound on such. It seems to me that all the trouble spots we tend to have at any particular time are often associated with religious beliefs, or such being used for any particular side. Not sure if numbers - dead or battles fought - might have any relevance either, but it's more down to the intangibles for me. Why so many do have such beliefs when others don't, and seem to manage fine without them, for example. Why would we see indoctrination (or education as some might prefer to see it) of children in any particular religious belief as not being an infringement of their rights to grow up without such biases?
 
firedragon

firedragon

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We Never Know said:
In my opinion...Covid 19. I think it was a biological warfare experiment gone wrong.
I just found out this weekend two friends I have known since my teen years passed with covid.
If anyone still thinks covid is fake, they are idiots.
You don't have to agree, you asked my thoughts.
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Honestly, so many of my friends have dies because of COVID. It is truly scary. I dont discount anything you say.
 
firedragon

firedragon

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Mock Turtle said:
I think that might take going over all of my life, what I have seen, read, absorbed, and deduced. So I'm not about to expound on such. It seems to me that all the trouble spots we tend to have at any particular time are often associated with religious beliefs, or such being used for any particular side. Not sure if numbers - dead or battles fought - might have any relevance either, but it's more down to the intangibles for me. Why so many do have such beliefs when others don't, and seem to manage fine without them, for example. Why would we see indoctrination (or education as some might prefer to see it) of children in any particular religious belief as not being an infringement of their rights to grow up without such biases?
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Thanks.
 
Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
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Augustus said:
Without ideologies (inc. religions) we'd still be living in small familial groupings of hunter gatherers.

Whether this would be a good or bad thing depends on your ideology though :grimacing:
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Perhaps. I don't know, but we might have developed belief systems not based on mythical events, and open to corrective measures as we progressed. But since we would have likely developed any such beliefs locally - as happened with religions - we might still have had as much conflict as we have had with religions. As I said, we were probably destined for conflict anyway - given that we have a tendency to develop at different rates and where the communications was just not in place to allow for simultaneous development.
 
firedragon

firedragon

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RestlessSoul said:
Yep. And some millennia later, having failed to turn our swords into ploughshares, we have turned those Stone Age weapons into nuclear warheads. So perhaps it is time for humanity to put down the weapons, and find another way to resolve disputes?
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You are right. You giving like an ideal situation. If you could resolve issues without using any weapon its fantastic.

But sometimes some would consider a simple weapon as a lifesaver against a thread. Honestly I dont have any expertise on this matter, I am just asking you. E.g. A woman being raped used her own shawl as her weapon to choke the rapist in order to escape.
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

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Mock Turtle said:
For me it is religions, and although we could cite so many other things that cause division and conflict, and which have resulted in so many deaths, religions are the main beliefs most difficult to alter or eradicate (in my view), mostly because they are based on material from the past that is essentially taken 'as is' (and not provable), even though we have so many different interpretations of such. For all the good they have done, we just don't know if our history would have been better and perhaps less troubled if they hadn't existed - or at least in the forms they took. But perhaps we were just destined for what we got no matter as to whatever such beliefs formed.

I suppose that ideologies, as to religions being a subset of these in my view, could be labelled as being the most dangerous thing though.
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I don't think religions killed off the neanderthal. That in my opinion was greed and hunger for power which has killed off many species.
 
firedragon

firedragon

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Mock Turtle said:
Perhaps. I don't know, but we might have developed belief systems not based on mythical events, and open to corrective measures as we progressed. But since we would have likely developed any such beliefs locally - as happened with religions - we might still have had as much conflict as we have had with religions. As I said, we were probably destined for conflict anyway - given that we have a tendency to develop at different rates and where the communications was just not in place to allow for simultaneous development.
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I think you missed the whole point of this thread. It is not about grabbing an opportunity to state your idea that religions are all mythical events etc etc etc. Even if religions are plain stupid, mythical and nonsensical or whatever, that's not relevant to this thread.

Why is it so scary as the most scary intention of mankind?
 
exchemist

exchemist

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firedragon said:
Some atheists claim that religion is the one. Some theists claim non-religion is the one. Some people think the nuclear bomb is the one. Others think the nuclear bomb is necessary, thus it is a response to other things that are scary. Some people think that missiles are the scariest invention of mankind, while others call some missiles "peace keepers". Some people thought in history, the "lightning bringing stick" referring to the gun as the one. Some others may think a rebellion is the one.

What do you think is the scariest thing mankind ever invented? Why do you think that is?
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Totalitarianism. Because a totalitarian political system has limitless capacity for inflicting suffering and is almost impossible to overthrow.
 
Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
firedragon said:
I think you missed the whole point of this thread. It is not about grabbing an opportunity to state your idea that religions are all mythical events etc etc etc. Even if religions are plain stupid, mythical and nonsensical or whatever, that's not relevant to this thread.

Why is it so scary as the most scary intention of mankind?
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Religion is an invention, and as to which I see as being the scariest. Simple as that. Ever since we made the spear and the bow and arrow, and subsequent developments (increasing our ability to provide food), we were on a path to increased conflict, but some beliefs, whether having both benefits and deficits, for myself, have been the most dangerous things, and hence scariest. I'll stop posting if that is what you want.
 
Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
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We Never Know said:
I don't think religions killed off the neanderthal. That in my opinion was greed and hunger for power which has killed off many species.
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Never implied they did. Like everyone else, I have no idea why they died out, just as for so many other proto-humans as well.
 
firedragon

firedragon

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Mock Turtle said:
Religion is an invention, and as to which I see as being the scariest. Simple as that. Ever since we made the spear and the bow and arrow, and subsequent developments (increasing our ability to provide food), we were on a path to increased conflict, but some beliefs, whether having both benefits and deficits, for myself, have been the most dangerous things, and hence scariest. I'll stop posting if that is what you want.
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I understand that you think religions are invented, and that you think they are the "scariest", but why do you think they are the scariest invention of humankind? Thats the whole point of the OP. I hope you understand.
 
Nimos

Nimos

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firedragon said:
Some atheists claim that religion is the one. Some theists claim non-religion is the one. Some people think the nuclear bomb is the one. Others think the nuclear bomb is necessary, thus it is a response to other things that are scary. Some people think that missiles are the scariest invention of mankind, while others call some missiles "peace keepers". Some people thought in history, the "lightning bringing stick" referring to the gun as the one. Some others may think a rebellion is the one.

What do you think is the scariest thing mankind ever invented? Why do you think that is?
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Despite its usefulness I think I would say money or the idea that everything can be assigned a value is the most scary thing. The amount of bad things that is being done, or things that ought to be done but ain't, because money is the motivator is probably the most influential thing ever created and in many cases is valued higher than the life of humans, animals or the wellbeing of our own existent.
 
Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
firedragon said:
I understand that you think religions are invented, and that you think they are the "scariest", but why do you think they are the scariest invention of humankind? Thats the whole point of the OP. I hope you understand.
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I thought I pointed that out. They are the 'stickiest' thing we have invented when they might not be that useful, given that there is a whole spectrum of such beliefs but where so many just see their particular beliefs as being 'the one', and where they are so tied to the past as to being a negative on progress all too often. If one looked all around the world one would generally see the moral nature of most to be in agreement - with some obvious outliers - but it is generally in the areas of religious belief that divides people. And I would assert that this moral nature was always there, so as not to give religions the credit for our being so. The evidence from non-human life seems to indicate where we might have gotten our moral nature from, with religions just rubber stamping this - and taking the credit.

You did point out what I am saying in the first sentence of the OP. :oops:
 
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