Ancient Reality

tas8831 said:

Can you believe he is self-taught?

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There is nothing about being self-taught, because there are many subjects that I have no qualifications, but I do tried to learn some stuffs in free times, just to understand the basics, like Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, the Big Bang, etc. I don’t see myself as an expert, because I am still learning.

His problem that he actually believe that he is expert, and worse still that he think he superior.

That recent chart he posted up:

cladking said:

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They are just bunch symbols, they are not stringed together into coherent writings to any known languages. They cannot be translated, because there are no contexts.

Clearly, he doesn’t understand what written languages are.

gnostic said:

There is nothing about being self-taught, because there are many subjects that I have no qualifications, but I do tried to learn some stuffs in free times, just to understand the basics, like Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, the Big Bang, etc. I don’t see myself as an expert, because I am still learning.

His problem that he actually believe that he is expert, and worse still that he think he superior.

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But you being self-taught is how sensible people approach it. Our man thinks that HIS being self-taught means that he has special insights devoid of bias and, as you indicate, fancies himself the ultimate expert.

cladking said:

A response to this statement in another thread wouldn't be appropriate there.

You keep getting hung up in semantics. Semantics is one of the chief ways we use to create our circular arguments and some use it to demolish other arguments. But semantics isn't real, it's just words. Words are chiefly for communication when we aren't thinking so we should all try to follow the other guys thinking more andf the words less. If I say there is no elephant in the xxxxx and no species like the elephant in it either then there are countless ways I can "PROVE" it. For instance if I can show the entire xxxxx and no elephant is visible then we can categorically state there's no elephant. It has been proven there's no elephant in the xxxxx when the "xxxxx" is defined as a teacup. I said the word "belief" does not exist in ancient literature and none of the synonyms for "belief" exist in ancient literature.

You can start here;

site:sacred-texts.com utterance belief

Simply put this in any search engine you'll get no hits in the Pyramid Texts.

This is because The Pyramid Texts is not about death and superstious nonsense as is widely believed today. The Pyramid Texts are actually just a silly little book of rituals read at the kings' ascension ceremonies during pyramid building season. The PT is about life and its celebration even as the king is being transformed into a mnemonic to be remembered in heaven and earth. The king lives eternally as the pyramid and his history and all human history is recorded in the stars.

Count the words in the PT. They are about life.

There was no religion of any sort. Simple logic will tell you man couldn't survive on an untamed planet using superstition and magic. People no longer care about logic; they care about semantics because they don't have to think about semantics but they would have to think if they understood opposing arguments.

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" I said the word "belief" does not exist in ancient literature and none of the synonyms for "belief" exist in ancient literature. "

What period one means from the natural world "ancient", please?

Regards

tas8831 said:

And you're "self taught", right?

It shows.

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You misunderstood.

I went to 12 years of grade school and a few years of college. I am a self taught generalist or what some call a nexialist. I formatted all of my schooling somewhat differently than it was taught with a large emphasis on metaphysics. I actually had a dozen or more superb teachers as well as another couple dozen great teachers. But I never accepted anything any of them said as gospel and I didn't accept it at all until it made sense to me and fit into everything I already knew.

But my knowledge is irrelevant to a discussion of "ancient reality". Ancient Language was solved simultaneously with reverse engineering the great pyramids. There is a huge amount of data concerning how these were built right in the only writing that survives and these words are entirely consistent with the physical evidence. They literally said they tied two boats together and placed the "white crown in the water springs great and mighty" in one of the boats to lift the stones that comprise the pyramid. It is by this means I came to understand how the pyramids were built and the true nature of consciousness as well as finding many insights into how reality is actually formatted. For instance, I've long been aware that evolution is driven by behavior rather than fitness but I found this is the same understanding that comprised ancient reality. It is this exact theory that formed the basis of the invention of agriculture and created a means by which the human race could survive the collapse of "tower of babel"; Ancient Language.

These recent posts are simply serving to prove my theory is correct at least in essence. The existence of the same words all over the world shows there was a single unified language and a single means by which to think and that this means is wholly alien to the way anyone thinks today.

Over and over I am proven to be correct. It has been six years since my predictions of the thermal anomalies has been proven and still not even Peers are being allowed to see the reality.

Nobody wants me to be right about anything at all so they just ignore the logic and evidence. Nobody wants to believe "intelligence" as we understand it doesn't even exist. Nobody wants to believe a nobody could solve any scientific question so that the fact my theory affects every scientific theory and much of the Bible is quite disconcerting.

All that matters is the evidence and the logic and all the evidence and logic says ancient people were scientists and metaphysicians and the pyramids were built with linear funiculars. Pyramids were built with 40,000 years of natural science manifested as language itself and we can't see it because our brains work in an entirely different mode.

I might add that this different mode of thinking surprised me quite a bit as it became increasingly apparent. It has some superficial similarities to "generalism" but this is likely the reason I found it instead of someone else. Well, that and the fact search engines used to actually work.

paarsurrey said:

" I said the word "belief" does not exist in ancient literature and none of the synonyms for "belief" exist in ancient literature. "

What period one means from the natural world "ancient", please?

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I have come to believe that modern language made inroads in use much earlier than I had thought. In the early days it was mostly dullards who couldn't keep up with science but it would appear scientific knowledge was making great progress even earlier than I had believed. Also in these early days with so few words it was more difficult even for speakers to differentiate between the languages. It would be obvious the speaker was none too bright. By 3200 BC there were so many speakers that writing was invented to help prevent drift in meaning as edicts were relays to them. Even by the time the Great Pyramid was built I doubt more than 10% of the population spoke AL. By ~2000 BC there were too few AL speakers to operate the states so the official language was changed to the various pidgin languages and their dialects. This set off an 800 year dark ages.

In this context "ancient" generally means "before 2000 BC". It includes "Adam" and "Eve" right up through the Tower of Babel.

cladking said:

I have come to believe that modern language made inroads in use much earlier than I had thought. In the early days it was mostly dullards who couldn't keep up with science but it would appear scientific knowledge was making great progress even earlier than I had believed. Also in these early days with so few words it was more difficult even for speakers to differentiate between the languages. It would be obvious the speaker was none too bright. By 3200 BC there were so many speakers that writing was invented to help prevent drift in meaning as edicts were relays to them. Even by the time the Great Pyramid was built I doubt more than 10% of the population spoke AL. By ~2000 BC there were too few AL speakers to operate the states so the official language was changed to the various pidgin languages and their dialects. This set off an 800 year dark ages.

In this context "ancient" generally means "before 2000 BC". It includes "Adam" and "Eve" right up through the Tower of Babel.

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One has only checked a limited area of the world to form one's opinion and generalized to other regions of the world. Right?
How does one know that people in other parts of the world did not have equivalent of the word "belief", please? Right?
The natural languages and the natural words existed in the world though they the people did not know writing or were not used to write them, so one cannot say with certainty that they did not have any equivalent of the word " belief" . Right?
I know that the word for belief existed in Arabic though they were not used to writing much. Quran mentions the word for belief since the time of Abraham for sure, please:

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وَ اِذۡ قَالَ اِبۡرٰہٖمُ رَبِّ اَرِنِیۡ کَیۡفَ تُحۡیِ الۡمَوۡتٰی ؕ قَالَ اَوَ لَمۡ تُؤۡمِنۡ ؕ قَالَ بَلٰی وَ لٰکِنۡ لِّیَطۡمَئِنَّ قَلۡبِیۡ ؕ قَالَ فَخُذۡ اَرۡبَعَۃً مِّنَ الطَّیۡرِ فَصُرۡہُنَّ اِلَیۡکَ ثُمَّ اجۡعَلۡ عَلٰی کُلِّ جَبَلٍ مِّنۡہُنَّ جُزۡءًا ثُمَّ ادۡعُہُنَّ یَاۡتِیۡنَکَ سَعۡیًا ؕ وَ اعۡلَمۡ اَنَّ اللّٰہَ عَزِیۡزٌ حَکِیۡمٌ ﴿۲۶۱﴾٪
And remember when Abraham said, ‘My Lord, show me how Thou givest life to the dead.’ He said, ‘Hast thou not believed?’ He said, ‘Yes, but I ask this that my heart may be at rest.’ He answered, ‘Take four birds and make them attached to thyself. Then put each of them on a hill; then call them; they will come to thee in haste. And know that Allah is Mighty, Wise.’
Holy Quran: Read, Listen and Search
Right?

Regards
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*leubh-
Proto-Indo-European root meaning "to care, desire, love."
It forms all or part of: belief; believe; furlough; leave (n.) "permission, liberty granted to do something;" leman; libido; lief; livelong; love; lovely; quodlibet.
It is the hypothetical source of/evidence for its existence is provided by: Sanskrit lubhyati "desires," lobhaya- "to make crazy;" Persian ahiftan "to be tangled, be hit down, be in love;" Latin lubet, later libet "pleases," libido, lubido "desire, longing; sensual passion, lust;" Old Church Slavonic l'ubu "dear, beloved," ljubiti, Russian ljubit' "to love;" Lithuanian liaupsė "song of praise;" Old English lufu "feeling of love; romantic sexual attraction," German Liebe "love," Gothic liufs "dear, beloved."
*leubh- | Origin and meaning of root *leubh- by Online Etymology Dictionary

cladking said:

You misunderstood.

I went to 12 years of grade school and a few years of college.

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Like I said, it shows.

Your biology/evolution related gibberish comes across as the rantings of a 10 year old who has watched too cartoons.
You can provide zero evidence for your claims. You cannot understand the evidence presented for real scientific claims. You repeat your already demolished nonsense as if nobody had ever mentioned it before. You re-define terms to suit your fantasies. You refuse to acknowledge your errors. Just one example of many - despite probably a dozen people correcting you, many by offering quotes or links to pertinent material, you still rely on your creationist-y pseudo-definition of 'survival of the fittest.' Pure crankery.
You're you.

tas8831 said:

Your biology/evolution related gibberish comes across as the rantings of a 10 year old who has watched too cartoons.
You can provide zero evidence for your claims. You cannot understand the evidence presented for real scientific claims. You repeat your already demolished nonsense as if nobody had ever mentioned it before. You re-define terms to suit your fantasies. You refuse to acknowledge your errors. Just one example of many - despite probably a dozen people correcting you, many by offering quotes or links to pertinent material, you still rely on your creationist-y pseudo-definition of 'survival of the fittest.' Pure crankery.

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You simply refuse to talk about this subject or another. Instead you want to lecture about the omniscience of modern science and everything you know. Instead of discussion you want to argue about semantics and definitions of words. Rather than admit words have different meanings to every user you want me to figure out exactly what every word means to you and use that definition!!! For example, I have a very clear understanding of about what the word "species" means to you But you won't even acknowledge the simple point that no two members of a species are identical and some "its" members are very very different. You won't acknowledge that at the root of all these differences is genes. You won't acknowledge that behavior as well derives from genes. That's just no point in going on when you can't even agree that the broccas area located in the middle of the human brain and varies between individuals despite each being the same "species". I type out entire paragraphs to explain single terms to you but you parse every word in that paragraph in ways that render the meaning as word salad and you're doing it intentionally.

If you can't respond on topic to this post you'll be going onto my ignore list with gnostic. I've wasted far too much time trying to communicate with someone who doesn't want to communicate because it might endanger his belief system. And, no, I don't want to see a few paragraphs about how "biology" isn't a belief system but a perfect understanding of all life and consciousness it is supposed to study.

paarsurrey said:

One has only checked a limited area of the world to form one's opinion and generalized to other regions of the world. Right?
How does one know that people in other parts of the world did not have equivalent of the word "belief", please? Right?

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I've listed more evidence for a single world language than in only this thread but to my knowledge most of it is here and nothing has been refuted. To capsulize there is little writing that survives directly from Ancient Language and the bulk of it exists in a single source. But this source clearly shows a different way to talk, and more importantly, it shows a different way to think that involves more of the brain and is three dimensional. This language requires scientific knowledge to use and was first spoken by S3h who probably underlies the Bible's "Adam". Like everything the name got twisted.

If this single language did exist as the evidence (including the symbols in caves) then it follows that it was worldwide. It was taken to every corner of the earth as man spread from Africa. Because of the nature of the language not to drift and that ancient people did interact these languages were spoken in several dialects but probably were all mutually intelligible.

The writing that is available says more than just that they had no word for belief but they had no abstractions at all!!! They would not understand the meaning of any abstraction. Their words had a single meaning with none of those meanings having an abstract component. Incredibly they also had no taxonomies! They did not order their world like we do and they did not remember what they knew in the same ways. They didn't even experience thinking so they had no words for thinking. Ancient people were wholly unlike any modern person alive and they each thought "exactly" alike. They were each individuals with different genes and different experience so they thought different things at different times and none of them experienced it.

For all practical purposes "thinking" can be defined as the experience of the process used by a modern language speaker to compare sensory input to his individual beliefs. It's more complex because it is in tune with and a function of consciousness as well.

paarsurrey said:

I know that the word for belief existed in Arabic though they were not used to writing much. Quran mentions the word for belief since the time of Abraham for sure, please:

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Many people couldn't speak Ancient Language and it was more every year as science/ language became more complex. Pidgin languages evolved that used the same vocabulary but not the grammar and formatting. It is these pidgin language that rose to the forefront as the "Tower of Babel" collapsed. These new languages by this time already included a few abstractions and taxonomies were being added. Almost all speech after the collapse of the tower in 2000 BC was in modern languages but these were all still very "primitive" in that extensive vocabulary had not yet arisen. Communication was more difficult in the early days of modern languages and it is still very hard to be understood. It is not unusual for me to hear conversations between people with two or more subjects and none of them notice! We believe communication is perfect but the fact is it is far from it and the evidence is right there all the time. Conversation is like chinese telephone; one person speaks and every listener takes a different meaning. This is why messages can not be relayed in modern languages and it's why WRITING WAS INVENTED.

cladking said:

This language requires scientific knowledge to use and was first spoken by S3h who probably underlies the Bible's "Adam". Like everything the name got twisted.

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Ironically just since I started this in 2006 Bill Gates changed "S3h's" name. Before about 2008 it appeared in unicode as "S[]h' ". It is this constant crazy drift in modern languages, words, and names that hides much of our past from us. It is a virtual certainty, for instance, that every single place name and individual listed in the Bible, Koran, etc actually existed but they are lost to us by drift in language and time.

People believe in science and its omniscience so nobody cares about our history or how we got here. Our beliefs in things like "evolution" and that we don't need to understand consciousness to understand the cosmos is hiding a great deal of what we need to understand ourselves and survive the next century.

cladking said:

Many people couldn't speak Ancient Language and it was more every year as science/ language became more complex. Pidgin languages evolved that used the same vocabulary but not the grammar and formatting. It is these pidgin language that rose to the forefront as the "Tower of Babel" collapsed.

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What a load of BS.

The hieroglyphs of the Old Kingdom, were no different from that of the Middle Kingdom and New Kingdom periods.

So you calling “pidgin languages” is unsubstantiated, especially, when you cannot even read hieroglyphs yourself, so how are you able to distinguish grammar from one period to another?

You are still making things up. You are claiming expertise in languages that you are incapable of reading in the first place.

All you have done, is interpreted translation of the Pyramid Text.

Second, you often talk about Great Pyramid in Giza, but there are very little hieroglyphs in these 4th dynasty pyramid. There are more writings outside of the pyramids than within the pyramids in Giza; these are writings from accommodation of the builders.

The Pyramid Text are from pyramids of Saqqara, dated to the 5th and 6th dynasties.

And the only contemporary source to these Pyramid Text was a 6th dynasty Saqqara Stone.

My point is that while the pyramids in Giza, are great in size, it is poor in literary evidence department, but the later pyramids (in Saqqara) are much smaller in size, they make it up, with treasure of literature.

cladking said:

Almost all speech after the collapse of the tower in 2000 BC was in modern languages but these were all still very "primitive" in that extensive vocabulary had not yet arisen.

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Again, more BS.

There was never a Tower of Babel, so it is utter BS to talk about the Tower that don't exist.

Second, the 3rd millennium BCE, Egyptians have their own languages, but in the east, Sumerian was spoken and written, with cuneiform being the most popular form of writings.

When the Semitic-speaking Akkadian dynasty took over southern Mesopotamia, it adopted Sumerian cuneiform as their writing system. Akkadian may be spoken, but the Sumerian writing continue to exist, in the following millennium by the Assyrians (Old Assyrian and Middle Assyrian), and by Amorite and Kassite dynasties in Babylon, as respectively as Old Babylonian and Middle Babylonian.

Contemporary to the 3rd millennium Sumerians and Akkadians, were the Elamite in western Iranian peninsula, speaking Elamite dialect, but also used Sumerian cuneiform.

So for you to say that only one language was spoken before this imaginary Tower of Babel, is pure fantasy.

Why do you insist on this Ancient Language fantasy? It is nothing but fiction and worse, a conspiracy theory.

@cladking

I think you are so focused on hieroglyphs, the Egyptian symbolic pictograph writing system, that you have forgotten or ignored that the Egyptians have developed cursive writing system - the hieratic - which dated as early as the proto-dynastic period (4th millennium BCE).

Unlike the more formal hieroglyphs, hieratic was less time consuming, and it was more quickly written using ink with reed pen on papyri.

Primitive or archaic hieroglyphs can be found here and there during the proto-dynastic period too, but too often a single or group of hieroglyphs were found on objects or inscribed on walls, that are either just names of people or often don’t make sense, because it was still under development phase, that hieroglyphs was not stringed into a coherent sentence until the 1st dynasty.

The hieroglyphs found in the late Old Kingdom period, 5th and 6th dynasties, eg Pyramid Text, are more formally used, and used by Egyptian priesthood. The Pyramid Text was the first attempt at writing literature.

Hieratic, on the other hand, were used by the earlier Egyptian culture, developed to be understood, before the establishment of the 1st dynasty. Hieratic were used for daily administrative and legal purposes.

You talk of grammar, but grammar are lot harder to understand in pictographic hieroglyphs. There are no distinction of grammar changes, from Pyramid Text to the Middle Kingdom Coffin Text and to the New Kingdom Book of the Dead. Grammar are more easier to distinguish with the cursive hieratic.

cladking said:

I've listed more evidence for a single world language than in only this thread but to my knowledge most of it is here and nothing has been refuted. To capsulize there is little writing that survives directly from Ancient Language and the bulk of it exists in a single source. But this source clearly shows a different way to talk, and more importantly, it shows a different way to think that involves more of the brain and is three dimensional. This language requires scientific knowledge to use and was first spoken by S3h who probably underlies the Bible's "Adam". Like everything the name got twisted.

If this single language did exist as the evidence (including the symbols in caves) then it follows that it was worldwide. It was taken to every corner of the earth as man spread from Africa. Because of the nature of the language not to drift and that ancient people did interact these languages were spoken in several dialects but probably were all mutually intelligible.

The writing that is available says more than just that they had no word for belief but they had no abstractions at all!!! They would not understand the meaning of any abstraction. Their words had a single meaning with none of those meanings having an abstract component. Incredibly they also had no taxonomies! They did not order their world like we do and they did not remember what they knew in the same ways. They didn't even experience thinking so they had no words for thinking. Ancient people were wholly unlike any modern person alive and they each thought "exactly" alike. They were each individuals with different genes and different experience so they thought different things at different times and none of them experienced it.

For all practical purposes "thinking" can be defined as the experience of the process used by a modern language speaker to compare sensory input to his individual beliefs. It's more complex because it is in tune with and a function of consciousness as well.

Many people couldn't speak Ancient Language and it was more every year as science/ language became more complex. Pidgin languages evolved that used the same vocabulary but not the grammar and formatting. It is these pidgin language that rose to the forefront as the "Tower of Babel" collapsed. These new languages by this time already included a few abstractions and taxonomies were being added. Almost all speech after the collapse of the tower in 2000 BC was in modern languages but these were all still very "primitive" in that extensive vocabulary had not yet arisen. Communication was more difficult in the early days of modern languages and it is still very hard to be understood. It is not unusual for me to hear conversations between people with two or more subjects and none of them notice! We believe communication is perfect but the fact is it is far from it and the evidence is right there all the time. Conversation is like chinese telephone; one person speaks and every listener takes a different meaning. This is why messages can not be relayed in modern languages and it's why WRITING WAS INVENTED.

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" there is little writing that survives directly from Ancient Language "

That doesn't mean the languages did not exist or their words did not exist. The word "belief" existed certainly from the time of Abraham, please. Right?

Regards

For 40,000 years all humans shared a single complex language which I call "Ancient Language". This language can't be translated into any existing language today and a proper attempt would look like a flow chart rather than a language. It is Ancient Language that lacked words for "thought", "beliefs", taxonomies, and abstractions. Twelve to fourteen hundred years before Abraham this language started becoming too complex for more and more people and the forerunners of modern languages began to emerge. These were pidgin language using the same vocabulary as Ancient Language but these new languages arose from each dialect and they each began changing right from the very beginning. All of these pidgin languages would have had a word for "belief", but Ancient Language could not adopt this word and people who thought in Ancient Language would not have understood this new term.

There's simply not enough known about "Abraham" to know what language he spoke. The original meaning of "prophet" was "scientist who makes predictions" but all of our history is recorded in modern language so we have no means of knowing which type of "prophet" he was. Ancient Language speakers were becoming rare by the time he was born and the collapse of Ancient Language was around this time. A few AL speakers would have simply switched to modern language after the edict that changed the official language of state but most would have continued on their course and given up their government jobs iff necessary.

"Beliefs" came into existence with the first modern language speaker. What many think of as "human" arose at this time but then we don't really understand concepts like "consciousness" or "soul" so we don't understand what it actually means to be "human" or exactly what it is that makes us distinct and separates us from "animals". Ancient Language speakers did understand "consciousness" but had little appreciation for the nature of progress and didn't even experience thought. AL speakers were not really distinct from animals but merely far more knowledgeable.

I believe that after the official "end" of Ancient Language those who continued to speak it were known as "nephilim". But without more information it's not possible to say what Abraham spoke.

cladking said:

For 40,000 years all humans shared a single complex language which I call "Ancient Language". This language can't be translated into any existing language today and a proper attempt would look like a flow chart rather than a language. It is Ancient Language that lacked words for "thought", "beliefs", taxonomies, and abstractions. Twelve to fourteen hundred years before Abraham this language started becoming too complex for more and more people and the forerunners of modern languages began to emerge. These were pidgin language using the same vocabulary as Ancient Language but these new languages arose from each dialect and they each began changing right from the very beginning. All of these pidgin languages would have had a word for "belief", but Ancient Language could not adopt this word and people who thought in Ancient Language would not have understood this new term.

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The modern brain using modern analog language is still capable to some degree of using digital processing. Much of this digital processing that occurs in higher brain functions takes place in our sleep but the brain is a "complex" place and digital processing, no doubt, affects our consciousness at least to some degree most of the time.

Perhaps much of the problem here is merely semantical since "language" is loaded word and we each have a somewhat different estimation of its meaning and the implied abstractions in its meaning. There's no doubt that all modern human languages fulfill every defining characteristic of "language" but the word has a broader meaning and I am using it to mean "any system that affects consciousness as a means of communication between two individuals". There's also the issue of the nature of thought and its manifestation in the individual. It's not apparent to us but I believe modern language induces a mode of thinking on everyone who uses it because we think in language and in elements of language. Modern language has weaknesses as a means of communication because every individual takes a different meaning. It and the inductive logic made possible through this mode of thought are powerful tools but the chance of errors being introduced soars because of the weaknesses and because definitions can not be fixed. It makes logic in modern language impossible so we can deal only with what is known theory and our perceptions which are necessarily dependent on our beliefs and extrapolations of theory.

This is simply wholly alien to ancient thinking and the language in which it occurred. Ancient Language didn't lead the listener to the meaning but rather invited the listener to "read ones mind". Since it was based in theory and logic there was no means to misinterpret intended meaning. The theory on which language was built was simply derived from the natural wiring of the brain manifested as the anthropomorphic language. Reality was expressed as having only human components and understood only in such terms. Words represented theory and observation and meaning of all of them were fixed. Rather than saying what you mean which is impossible without abstractions and other artifices of modern language AL relayed an idea through excluding everything else. It was heavily dependent on perspective which was internal to the subject unless otherwise stated.

It was relatively easy to change from speaking AL to the local modern language but it will result in a new way to think. After a very short time it will become very difficult to change back. Changing language was mostly a one way trip and it was even more difficult to try to translate to modern language and wholly impossible for anyone to translate modern language to AL.

There's no question huge effort went into trying to preserve ancient knowledge but what came of it were things like alchemy, astrology, and religion all of which contain ancient knowledge but much of it has been so garbled through modern interpretation that it is unbelievable to most individuals. The knowledge is not so much "lost" as it is unrecognizable. By the same token a primitive scientist would be mostly lost if he could experience reality today. The machines would be apparent enough to him (how many doctors understand how an MRI works?) but the means of inventing, building, and operating them would be nearly opaque. It would be impossible to teach him anything without first teaching him modern language because it will forever be impossible to express modern science in terms of ancient science and Ancient Language. AL became too complex for humans long before their understanding of things like 20th century physics.


Ironically all these answers and the nature of consciousness lies right inside the NE corner of the Great Pyramid. The solution to all of the ancient cave "symbols" is in the time capsule we know as the pyramid. How humans survived and prospered in the days before modern science while still being hunted by saber-toothed tigers is right at hand. Ancient reality and an understanding of animal reality is ours but for the lack of curiosity or Egyptological imagination. Insights into the nature of reality itself are only a few feet out of our grasp. The builders said this is a time capsule and contains science but we parse their words instead of trying to understand.

cladking said:

For 40,000 years all humans shared a single complex language which I call "Ancient Language". This language can't be translated into any existing language today and a proper attempt would look like a flow chart rather than a language. It is Ancient Language that lacked words for "thought", "beliefs", taxonomies, and abstractions. Twelve to fourteen hundred years before Abraham this language started becoming too complex for more and more people and the forerunners of modern languages began to emerge. These were pidgin language using the same vocabulary as Ancient Language but these new languages arose from each dialect and they each began changing right from the very beginning. All of these pidgin languages would have had a word for "belief", but Ancient Language could not adopt this word and people who thought in Ancient Language would not have understood this new term.

There's simply not enough known about "Abraham" to know what language he spoke. The original meaning of "prophet" was "scientist who makes predictions" but all of our history is recorded in modern language so we have no means of knowing which type of "prophet" he was. Ancient Language speakers were becoming rare by the time he was born and the collapse of Ancient Language was around this time. A few AL speakers would have simply switched to modern language after the edict that changed the official language of state but most would have continued on their course and given up their government jobs iff necessary.

"Beliefs" came into existence with the first modern language speaker. What many think of as "human" arose at this time but then we don't really understand concepts like "consciousness" or "soul" so we don't understand what it actually means to be "human" or exactly what it is that makes us distinct and separates us from "animals". Ancient Language speakers did understand "consciousness" but had little appreciation for the nature of progress and didn't even experience thought. AL speakers were not really distinct from animals but merely far more knowledgeable.

I believe that after the official "end" of Ancient Language those who continued to speak it were known as "nephilim". But without more information it's not possible to say what Abraham spoke.

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" For 40,000 years all humans shared a single complex language which I call "Ancient Language" "

One is not talking realistically, please. Right?
How it could be possible for the human being living apart in different parts of the world not sharing communication with one another, please. Right?
Isn't one wrong certainly, I understand? Right?

Regards

paarsurrey said:

How it could be possible for the human being living apart in different parts of the world not sharing communication with one another, please. Right?

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All good questions. I'll try to make a stab at answering them.

This all goes straight to consciousness; the very heart of all life. Simply stated all of reality is a form of logic. Mathematics is logic quantified and reality is logic manifest. All of reality operates on exceedingly simple processes and forces but they interact in infinitely complex ways.

The human brain develops in utero according to the logic of the human genes. Before the human race began there were creatures who were just like us but lacked the complex language that set off the human species. It is the ability to pass learning from generation to generation that is the race and the species. Without complex language these proto-humans were essentially the same as all other animals except they had mastered fire but were little more clever. Intelligence doesn't exist as we perceive it. For EVERY practical purpose "intelligence" is an event rather than a condition. Humans are no more "intelligent" than other animals.

As the brain develops it will be essentially the same configuration in each individual. There is a strong natural tendency for every individual of a species without complex language to act and react similarly to events because the brains are all wired the same and there is no generational learning or "thinking" to interfere with behavior. This behavior is driven by genes and experience so there are individual differences in other ways. Naturally a language will develop very early and proto-humans probably had several dozen "words" that reflected reality and the wiring of the brain. They took this everywhere they went and it was a simple global language. Then a mutation appeared that tied the speech center to higher brain functions allowing a far more complex language. This was exceedingly beneficial because we had the opposable thumb, weapons, and tools.

The proto language was scientific in nature because it was a logical expression of the logic of nature but it was far too simple to do much more or to learn about their place in the cosmos. The mutation was very highly beneficial and bred true which doomed proto-humans to extinction whom were replaced by homo sapiens who carried the genes and the language everywhere they went. But this new global language was merely an elaboration on the proto-language so communication between species was easy. Ancient Language had only a few hundred words at first because so little was known. Words represented theory derived from experience and observation through deduction. It was scientific because it was derived from metaphysical language.

Far flung homo sapiens certainly had dialects but the words were few and all the exact same meanings so any two ancient people could communicate after an hour or two and most of the time the differences would hardly be noted. The dialects were all mutually intelligible due to the nature of the language to be logical and to share the exact same theories as the basis of vocabulary as seen in the cave paintings. There was almost no drift in language because it was all tied to theory. Just as bees and beavers still have a global language man did at one time.

The problem with Ancient Language was that as human knowledge increased arithmatically the complexity of the language increase geometrically. By 3500 BC there were starting to be significant numbers of people who simply couldn't speak it or were at a great disadvantage to fluent AL speakers. "Fluency" in AL simply meant that an individual knew all the names of all the words. Adam named the animal but everything was named because nothing could be defined in metaphysical language. Every word had a fixed concrete meaning and "fluency" meant understanding EXACTLY this meaning. It was difficult for ancient societies to maintain a two tier (two language) system but there was no choice. Writing was invented for the pidgin language speakers but it was not sufficient.

As time went by fewer and fewer could speak AL and by the time of the construction of the Great Pyramid it would appear that even tug boat captains (Merer) could not speak AL. By 2000 BC there were not enough speakers to operate any state and Ancient Language ceased to be the official language in an event we know as the "Tower of Babel".


Modern reality is very different than ancient reality. All the same logic (laws of God/ nature) apply but the perception is wholly distinct. We experience "thought" and our perceptions are driven by what we already believe where ancient people lacked a word for "belief" and could never have understood this abstraction or any other abstraction. We learn through experiment but they were each born with the ability to learn through observation and the logic encoded in the human brain by the nature of consciousness as determined by the wiring imparted by genes. For most practical purposes we are not the same species as the "cavemen" or pyramid builders who were virtually interchangeable in every way. Nobody alive today can think like they did. Of course animals think very similarly but their languages are too simple to represent the words of ancient man.

This is hard for people to believe but this theory just keeps making accurate predictions and it's never going to stop because this is the reality. Good theory by definition makes good prediction. It's going to be hard for people to accept but the good that will come from it is needful and imminent. We must rethink everything we know just so we can see everything we know from new perspectives. Some things look very different from other vantages. Even experimental results can look different from a metaphysical or multi-metaphysical standpoint.

cladking said:

For 40,000 years all humans shared a single complex language which I call "Ancient Language".

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1. No they didn't - where is your evidence?
2. Who cares what you call it?

tas8831 said:

1. No they didn't - where is your evidence?

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Frankly I've never seen any evidence you've ever put any thought whatsoever into anything I've posted. It seems you don't so much read them or try to understand as much as you skim them trying to find something to which you can respond. This entire thread is full of virtual proof there was a distinct reality before everybody began experiencing his very own reality. From soup to nuts it's all there. How do you explain the same symbols were drawn on cave walls all over the world as my theory predicts? How do you explain the simple fact that all the evidence says linear funiculars were used to built the great pyramids and the pyramid builders themselves literally said they used linear funiculars to build the pyramids?

How do you explain the hot spots I predicted would be on the Great Pyramid are actually there but Egyptologists won't allow the data to be published for peer review? How do you explain the fact that recorded history didn't start until 1200 years after writing was invented? How do you explain the sudden onset of the human race 40,000 years ago? Why do you believe scientific consensus should be a hodge podge of disjointed and and illogical jumble of beliefs about the power of ignorance and superstition? Why do you believe Egyptologists are afraid of the pyramid and the methodical application of modern science to learning about them?

Why will you ignore virtually every single one of these questions and resume your vacuous attack?

tas8831 said:

2. Who cares what you call it?

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Bingo!! For once you get it exactly right. It doesn't matter one whit what we call the ancient global language. All that matters is whether it existed or not and its nature.

Now you'll ignore all the evidence as though it doesn't exist and focus on the meaning of some word. Just as you ignore all the evidence that all changes in life at all levels, types, and modes are sudden you'll ignore the fact I maintain life is consciousness and talk about things you believe.