Trailblazer
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I guess you missed the point. It does not matter what we SEE here on earth from our earthly perspective, as the actual brightness of the moon never diminishes. Since the sun is shining on the moon all the time the moon is always bright even though we don’t always see a full moon here in earth.
It is the same for God’s Light. The Light of God is always shining and it never diminishes, but we don’t see all the Light of God all at once, not anymore than we see all the light that is shining on the moon all the time. The only Light we see from God is what is revealed to us through the Messengers of God in any given age, and that is just a ‘measure’ of the total Light of God. If we ever saw all the Light of God all at once we would cease to exist.
“Were the Eternal Essence to manifest all that is latent within Him, were He to shine in the plentitude of His glory, none would be found to question His power or repudiate His truth. Nay, all created things would be so dazzled and thunderstruck by the evidences of His light as to be reduced to utter nothingness.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 71-72
Yes, the Light of God remains the same no matter how much the world changes, but as the world changes God reveals a fresh measure of His Light, as much as is needed at the time of revelation. Justas plants need sunlight to grow, humans need God’s Light to grow and develop spiritually.
I am not very well versed in history, but a very great measure of God’s Light must have been needed when Jesus appeared on earth, and it was needed again when Baha’u’llah appeared.
“Know that the attributes of perfection, the splendor of the divine bounties, and the lights of inspiration are visible and evident in all the Holy Manifestations; but the glorious Word of God, Christ, and the Greatest Name, Bahá’u’lláh, are manifestations and evidences which are beyond imagination, for They possess all the perfections of the former Manifestations; and more than that, They possess some perfections which make the other Manifestations dependent upon Them. So all the Prophets of Israel were centers of inspiration; Christ also was a receiver of inspiration, but what a difference between the inspiration of the Word of God and the revelations of Isaiah, Jeremiah and Elijah!” Some Answered Questions, pp. 149-150
However, that is a moot point since there was never anything to be saved from, since the doctrine of original sin is a sham. The way we were “saved” by Jesus is explained in this chapter and the Christ sacrifice and reason for it remains the same no matter how much the world changes.
Question.—In verse 22 of chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians it is written: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” What is the meaning of these words?
Answer.—Know that there are two natures in man: the physical nature and the spiritual nature. The physical nature is inherited from Adam, and the spiritual nature is inherited from the Reality of the Word of God, which is the spirituality of Christ. The physical nature is born of Adam, but the spiritual nature is born from the bounty of the Holy Spirit. The first is the source of all imperfection; the second is the source of all perfection.
The Christ sacrificed Himself so that men might be freed from the imperfections of the physical nature and might become possessed of the virtues of the spiritual nature.
Some Answered Questions, p. 118
Read more: 29: EXPLANATION OF VERSE TWENTY-TWO, CHAPTER FIFTEEN, OF THE FIRST EPISTLE OF ST. PAUL TO THE CORINTHIANS
Jesus liberated the children of men from the darkness of ignorance and guided them to the light of true understanding, but Jesus did not come into the world to ensure the peace and tranquility of mankind, and provide all the means by which they can be established. That was the job that God gave to Baha’u’llah.
“The One true God beareth Me witness, and His creatures will testify, that not for a moment did I allow Myself to be hidden from the eyes of men, nor did I consent to shield My person from their injury. Before the face of all men I have arisen, and bidden them fulfil My pleasure. My object is none other than the betterment of the world and the tranquillity of its peoples. The well-being of mankind, its peace and security, are unattainable unless and until its unity is firmly established. This unity can never be achieved so long as the counsels which the Pen of the Most High hath revealed are suffered to pass unheeded.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 286
Jesus came into the world to bear witness unto the truth about God, and Jesus spoke to individuals and conferred individual salvation.
John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
Jesus laid the foundation and Baha’u’llah came to help us finish the building.
Baha’u’llah came into the world to unite humanity and bring peace tranquility to mankind as a whole. Jesus foresaw this when He said the following:
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
However, Jesus could not do this work of uniting mankind because the whole world was not connected 2000 years ago Jesus walked the earth.
Quite the contrary, I do not recognize Christ as the Second Person of the Trinity because I have good judgment, and I know what the Bible says so I know that Jesus was not God, period. There are so many reasons that Jesus cannot be God and I already posted some of the many verses to this Christian a few months ago.
#1883 Trailblazer, Feb 10, 2021
If you take time to watch the video you will see the scriptural and logical reasons why Jesus cannot be God:
As that video above pointed out, God would not reveal Himself in a way that everyone could not understand because that would be wholly unjust. Even a small child should be able to understand God but most adults cannot understand the Trinity! However, that is not the biggest issue, the biggest issue is that Jesus is not God so the Christian Trinity belief cannot possibly be true.
The Baha’i Faith by contrast has the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit working together to reveal God to us.
There is a Baha’i Trinity belief that is logical and you can read about it here: 27: THE TRINITY
To summarize that chapter:
God is One, not divided into parts.
The Holy Spirit is the Bounty of God, an emanation from God. God is like the sun and the Holy Spirit is like the rays of the sun. God remains in His own high place, and does not ever descend to earth.
The Holy Spirit is the Bounty of God which became visible and evident in Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ was like a clear mirror, and God became visible in the mirror, but God did not descend into the mirror. This is why Christ said, “The Father is in the Son,” meaning that the God was visible and manifest in this mirror.
You cannot wiggle your way out of the verses that say that no man has ever seen God by saying that no one has ever seen God the Father, because you are saying that God is also the Son. I guess that is what our SZ would call dishonest. God cannot be BOTH the Father and the Son, that is illogical.
The problem you have here is that there are not two Gods, God the Father and God the Son. The other problem you have is that the Son cannot be the Father and the Father cannot be the Son.
Why can’t you just settle for what is logical and what is actually in the Bible verses? Jesus was a perfect mirror image of God in the flesh, a Manifestation of God in the flesh, as the Bible says:
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
But an image in the mirror is not the same as what it is reflecting. It is your own Bible that refutes the Trinity, left and right. There is not one verse in the entire New Testament wherein Jesus claimed to be God, implicitly or explicitly. As that video above pointed out, if Jesus had been God Jesus would have made that clear, as it is too important to omit.
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
I rest my case.
