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Did Jesus Christ actually die?

sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Skywalker said:
The virgin births in pagan mythology if they even are a part of the stories are Satan copying God and trying to deceive people.
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No, the Virgin births in mythology — whether Christian or Pagan — are stories woven by the storytellers. Again, in this case, the Gospel storytellers ripped off an earlier story about Augustus. It just is what it is.
 
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Skywalker

Well-Known Member
sojourner said:
No, the Virgin births in mythology — whether Christian or Pagan — are stories woven by the storytellers. Again, in this case, the Gospel storytellers ripped off an earlier story about Augustus. It just is what it is.
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Jesus was God in human form. He wasn't a descendant of a god and his wife.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Skywalker said:
Jesus was born of a virgin because He was God incarnate
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Jesus was born that way because God set the deal up, not because Jesus was God Incarnate.

(BTW: the word “virgin” does not appear in the texts. The word that does appear is “young woman.”)
 
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Skywalker

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sojourner said:
Jesus was born that way because God set the deal up, not because Jesus was God Incarnate.

(BTW: the word “virgin” does not appear in the texts. The word that does appear is “young woman.”)
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The Hebrew term almah refers to an unmarried woman, who in those days was likely to be chaste.
 
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rational experiences

Veteran Member
Father everyone's memory recorded in heavens by voice image proven many times as real.

Same for our mother.

First adult life first adult memories we are all babies.

Reincarnation theme I am conceived again by parent sex choice. My DNA life image body lived before. Memories own past life recorded.

Proven in various studies

Did DNA of the body sacrificed return is the question. The depiction of Jesus as a man human brother yes I have seen the themed Jesus man DNA and the males were spiritual.

Sex owned their presence. Pictures of Jesus as a man is what I believed Jesus looked like. I have seen several men looking like the pictures.

If a reaction attack sacrificed is instant are the words explaining attack also instant?

No would be a logical answer. Thesis description for science existed first before instant machine reaction caused.

Logical.

Words not the reaction a thesis after science brother did it.

Science never spoke on behalf of natural sex. Science described how lost human DNA sacrificed survived healed and returned.

A male would say as I was the original human father's DNA. Any dna that evolved returned from historic removal by natural cooling remassing replacement heavens would have died or been sick or would no longer own baby living presence.

As an instant atmospheric reaction.

The reaction not actually owned by a human however was caused by human science. Why you could discuss it using human science only expressed by living humans.

Proof science did it for anyone claiming otherwise.

Science the human who believed in magic false preached about natural survival. Only because original human father was not the scientist the real reason life lived on.

Now he is researching for origin DNA to finish us off.

Then science not owning natural mass would say God did it. How lying science secrets were taught.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Skywalker said:
A sinner could not die for another sinner. God stepped down from his glory and became a man to save us and teach us how to live.
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There is no need for anyone to die. That is simply poor ancient theism. What good would anyone dying do? You bought into an inconsistent myth that paints God as more than a bit insane.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Skywalker said:
God becoming a person would obviously involve God being born of a virgin.
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Nope. No need for that. You appear to be making the error of thinking that sex is a sin. It is not. Back then society could not handle single mothers. There was no birth control. The solution was to treat women as possessions and sex outside of marriage as a sin since it somehow took away value from the product.
 
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Skywalker

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Subduction Zone said:
Nope. No need for that. You appear to be making the error of thinking that sex is a sin. It is not. Back then society could not handle single mothers. There was no birth control. The solution was to treat women as possessions and sex outside of marriage as a sin since it somehow took away value from the product.
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God being born of a virgin was necessary because God isn't a human. Humans are born of mothers and fathers.
 
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Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Subduction Zone said:
There is no need for anyone to die. That is simply poor ancient theism. What good would anyone dying do? You bought into an inconsistent myth that paints God as more than a bit insane.
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Jesus died so that anyone who accepted the free gift of eternal salvation would be saved, and even those that didn't accept it, he died for them.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Skywalker said:
God being born of a virgin was necessary because God isn't a human. Humans are born of mothers and fathers.
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Sorry that is still a non sequitur. God could have just "made" himself and said "hey "I'm God, and for some odd reason you have to kill me so that I can forgive you for an error that I made in the first place."

Of course that only makes it even more obvious that some Christian beliefs are just crazy.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Skywalker said:
Jesus died so that anyone who accepted the free gift of eternal salvation would be saved, and even those that didn't accept it, he died for them.
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Like I said, there is no reason for anyone to die. Until you come up with a valid reason I will simply point out how you have supported me by failing to do so.
 
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Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Subduction Zone said:
Like I said, there is no reason for anyone to die. Until you come up with a valid reason I will simply point out how you have supported me by failing to do so.
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Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. (Isaiah 45:22)

God says that He is the only God out there. There is no other. God says there is one Savior:

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12)

What is the one name of the one person who can save us all?

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (1 Timothy 2:5)

Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. (1 John 2:23)

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. (1 John 5:11-12)

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:18)

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (John 8:24)

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

And there are many other verses that say that Jesus is the only way to make peace and find friendship with God.

Since Jesus is this "one mediator," what makes Him so special? Why is He the only right answer?

What is so interesting as you read the Old Testament is that from the very beginning, God used animal sacrifices for the forgiveness of sin. Later, the Jewish people would bring animal offerings to the Temple in Jerusalem to atone for their sins.

When the innocent animal's blood was shed, it was understood to be a trade for their own blood. Because of their sin, they deserved to die. But because of the substitute animal's blood being shed on their behalf, their sin was taken away.

For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. (Leviticus 17:11)
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Skywalker said:
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. (Isaiah 45:22)

God says that He is the only God out there. There is no other. God says there is one Savior:

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12)

What is the one name of the one person who can save us all?

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (1 Timothy 2:5)

Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. (1 John 2:23)

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. (1 John 5:11-12)

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:18)

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (John 8:24)

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

And there are many other verses that say that Jesus is the only way to make peace and find friendship with God.

Since Jesus is this "one mediator," what makes Him so special? Why is He the only right answer?

What is so interesting as you read the Old Testament is that from the very beginning, God used animal sacrifices for the forgiveness of sin. Later, the Jewish people would bring animal offerings to the Temple in Jerusalem to atone for their sins.

When the innocent animal's blood was shed, it was understood to be a trade for their own blood. Because of their sin, they deserved to die. But because of the substitute animal's blood being shed on their behalf, their sin was taken away.

For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. (Leviticus 17:11)
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Yes, the Bible contradicts itself quite often.

Was there any other point to your post?
 
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