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The LORD is my shepherd
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Redemptionsong
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I'm happy with the wording found in the gospels because the wording IS consistent with scripture as a whole, lMO.
Do you believe that God is your Saviour, or is your saviour a man?
The Anointed
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I believe that the Lord God our savior, who filled the man Jesus with his spirit and worked his miracles through his obedient servant Jesus, who spoke only that which he was commanded to say by the Lord God our savior, is our savior, and that Jesus, who has been given divine Glory by our savior, is our hope, as does Paul. who wrote in 1 Timothy 1; "From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by order of God our savior and Christ Jesus our hope."
The Lord God our savior, of who it is said in Acts 17: 31; Has fixed a day in which he shall judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.
No! I do not believe that our savior, who was carried to the Most High at the age of 365, and anointed as the heir nd successor to the throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation, and was translated from a body of corruptible matter into a body of incorruptible light in order that he should never have to experience death, was the man Jesus, but was the Lord God our savior, (The MOST HIGH in the creation, who stands on the top rung of the ladder of evolution,) who filled the man Jesus with his spirit, and who abandoned his chosen heir and successor on the cross and ceased to be an individual entity, by releasing all the righteous spirits who had been gathered to him, the chosen cornerstone to the new glorious temple of God, whose graves were opened as Jesus died, and who, three days later, and after the man Jesus had been resurrected, came out of their graves and entered the city and revealed themselves to be the risen body of the anointed one. The stone that the builders of your church has rejected, has turned out to be the most important atone of all.
Redemptionsong
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But, if Jesus was born of a human father, does this not entail him bearing the sins of his human father? In Numbers 14:18, it says, 'The LORD is long-suffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation'.
Could Jesus have lived his first thirty years righteously under the law, had he not been born by miraculous conception?
The Anointed
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Christ is the English term for the Greek Χριστός (Khristós) meaning "the anointed one" It is a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Māšîaḥ), usually transliterated into English as Messiah or Mashiach. The Hebrew word translated "anointed" is the verb form of the noun "Messiah."
"The Book of the Secrets of Enoch" 22: 8; "And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: "Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity."
And the archistratiege Michael lifted me up, and led me before the Lord's face.
[Archistratege. Or, "the commander of the armies of the nations, named Michael."]
Hebrew 12: 24; “You have come to Jesus, who arranged THE NEW COVENANT, and the sprinkled blood that promises much better things than does the blood of Abel.”
The blood of righteous Abel could save only one man, the blood of Jesus, who was the compilation of all the righteous spirits who had paid the blood price for their inherited sin and any mistakes they may have made while in the flesh, and were separated from the unrighteous spirits and gathered to the living spirit of Enoch in the bosom of Abraham, Over them, the second death had no power.
And the Most-High, (who held the ransom blood of righteous Abel, which could save but one man) said to the glorious creatures that surrounded him, tempting them: "Let Enoch stand before my face into eternity," and the glorious creatures bowed down to the Lord, and said: "Let Enoch go [Or be released] according to Thy word."
And Michael did thus as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun’s rays, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.
365, is the number of days in a calendar year. The Lamb of God who takes on the sins of the world is to be a one-year old unblemished Lamb. Enoch the ANOINTED one, who was taken to the throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation at the age of 365 is the unblemished Lamb of God.
Sandalphon is an archangel in Jewish and Christian writings. Sandalphon figures prominently in the mystical literary traditions of Rabbinic Judaism and early Christianity, notably in the Midrash, Talmud, and Kabbalah.
Some of the earliest sources on Sandalphon refer to him as the prophet Elijah transfigured and elevated to angelic status. Other sources (mainly from the midrashic period) describe him as the "twin brother" of Metatron, whose human origin as Enoch was similar to the human origin of Sandalphon.
Sandalphron and Metatron are post human angels, Metatron is the name that was given to Enoch after he had been translated from a body of corruptible matter into a glorious body of incorruptible light, and Sandalphron, who is erroneously thought by some to be Metatron"s twin, is in fact Elijah"s angelic name after he was carried up to stand before Enoch and was also transfigured.
Metatron is also mentioned in the Pseudepigrapha, most prominently in the Hebrew Book of Enoch (also called Third Enoch), in which his grand title, "The lesser YHVH" (The Son of God) resurfaces. It is also said that Metatron. The anointed one=CHRIST, was the angel who guided Israel through the wilderness.
Noah, his wife, their three sons and their wives are all direct genetic descendants of Enoch, the only man redeemed from the previous world as spoken of by 2nd Peter 3: 5; as they are all descendants of Enoch’s six sons, Methusulah, Rigam, Riman, Urchan, Cherminion, and Giadad.
It was to the living spirit of Enoch, that the righteous spirits of his post-flood descendants were gathered in the creation of the Great and glorious simulacrum at the ends of time, which Simulacrum, (Who the man Enoch had become) is the sacrifice that God has prepared for us, and the blue-print of the new Temple of God [The glorious incorruptible bodies of Light] which are to replace his old temporary earthly tabernacle/tent [The Body of Mankind] as the ruler of the creation, of which Enoch was the chosen cornerstone, and that Simulacrum, which is born of the spirits of man, “THE SON OF MAN”, dies in the process of involution, to be the saviour of we in evolution.
This he does by releasing all the righteous spirits that are He, from the least to the greatest, and the man Enoch from the old world that was destroyed by water was the first to be released, but not until he had learned through suffering to become perfect in his ascension and evolution, and revealed himself again in the man Jesus.
The first shall be last and the last shall be first.
Jesus was the compilation of all those righteous spirits over whom death had no more power. Jesus was, who Enoch had become at that point in time of his evolution to become the glorious simulacrum=blue-print of the new androgynous body of light beings that evolve from mankind, who will dwell on earth among mankind.
The Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And he (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.
After Enoch in his ascension to the ends of time, had been in the valley of man for three days (Three thousand years) he was reborn on earth and revealed in the man Jesus in who were the spirits of the righteous over whom death had no more power.
The author of the book of Hebrews, was familiar with these scriptures, who said that Enoch was translated from a corruptible body of Matter, into a glorious incorruptible body of Light.
Hebrews 11: 5; By faith Enoch was translated so as not to see, death; and was not found, because God had translated him.
GNB 11: 5; For this reason, when Christ (The one who, at the age of 365, had been carried to God the Most High in the creation and anointed as the heir and successor to that throne) was about to come into the world, he said to God: “You do not want sacrifices and offerings, but you have prepared a body for me. You are not pleased with animals burnt whole on the altar or with sacrifices to take away sins. 7Then I said, ‘Here I am, to do your will, O God, just as it is written of me in the book of the Law.’ ”
Jesus was the body that God had prepared for his heir and successor, 'Our Lord God and savior.' Jesus was the compilation of all the spirits of the righteous that had been gathered to Enoch, the chosen cornerstone in the creation of God's new temple of Light, which was to replace his old tent of flesh.
In the innermost sanctuary of the temple of our savior, which temple was the man Jesus, behind the veil of the flesh, dwelt those spirits of the righteous over whom death no longer had any power.
Destroy this temple said the Lord who had filled Jesus with his spirit and in three days I will raise it up.
And the stone that was rejected by the builders of the Jewish and Roman churches has turned out to be the most important stone of all.
From the Book of Enoch the prophet 108: 11-13; “And now I will summons the spirits of the good who belong to the generation of light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who, in the flesh were not recompensed with such honour as their faithfulness deserved. And I will bring forth in shining light those who have loved My holy name and I will seat each one on the throne of his honour. And they shall be resplendent for times without number.”
What was the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who said to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS=Spirit in his mouth, and he and he shall speak to them all that I command, and whosoever will not heed MY WORDS=spirit, which he shall speak in MY NAME, I will punish, etc.
Redemptionsong
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It strikes me as a dangerous practice to place greater authority on pseudepigrapha than on the scriptures of the (Protestant) canon.
What l see you doing, TA, is adding and subtracting from scripture in order to justify a false theology. It's clear to me that the miraculous conception of Mary was a necessary part of God's plan to dwell on earth amongst men.
I don't see in your response any answer to the question about inherited sin.
The Anointed
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The books of Enoch from which Jesus and the apostles taught were cherished by the early christians up until the fourth century, when under the ban of dogmatic authorities of the Roman Church of Emperor Constantine, such as Hilary, Jerome, and Augustine, they finally passed out of circulation and were thought lost for Millennia; which was a blessing. as it kept them free from the erroneous interpretations and mistranslations of that worthless shepherd that God raised up in the land after he who revealed himself in the body of Jesus, was paid the majestic wage of thirty pieces of silver. See Zechariah: 11: 12-17.
Enoch was carried to the ends of time and witnessed the heavens burn up and fall as massive columns of fire beyond all measure in height and depth into the great Abyss=Black Hole, which Enoch describes as the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven.
2 Peter 3: 10; But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. On that Day the heavens will disappear with a shrill noise, the heavenly bodies will burn up and be destroyed, and the earth with everything in it will vanish.
From where do you think Peter received this teaching, certainly not from the canon of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, that's for sure.
Jude, who is Thomas Didymus Jude the twin, and of the house of Mary, quotes verbatim from the words of Enoch the righteous.
From the book of Enoch the prophet 10: 12; Concerning the angels who defiled themselves with the daughters of man from which giant sons were born. "And when they (The sons of the angels and man,) have slain one another, and they (The Angels) have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast in the valley of the earth until the day of their judgement and of their consummation.
You will not find anything in your OT canon, about those angels who abandoned their own original habitat and defiling themselves with the daughters of men, after which they were bound and buried in the valley of the earth until the day of their Judgement. But you will find it in the teachings of the Apostles.
2 Peter 2:4 - For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.
Jude 1:6-7 - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
If the apostles did not receive these teachings from the books of Enoch, then from where did they receive them? Certainly not from the OT of the canon of the Roman Church of Emperor Constantine.
Redemptionsong wrote....... I don't see in your response any answer to the question about inherited sin.
The penalty of sin is death.
All have sinned and all must die ONCE then go off into Judgement, (The first death is that of the body, the second dearth is that of the wicked minds=spirits that develops within the body) while the righteous spirits are divided from the wicked and find rest in the bosom of Abraham, over these of whom the man Jesus was their compilation, the second death has no Power.
John 14: 30; "I cannot talk with you much longer, because (DEATH) the ruler of this world is coming. He has no power over me, but the world must know that I love 'THE' Father; that is why I do everything as he commands me.
Our Father who art in heaven etc.
Matthew 25: 31 “When the Son of Man comes as King and all the angels with him, he will sit on his royal throne, 32and the people of all the nations will be gathered before him. Then he will divide them into two groups, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the righteous people on his right and the others on his left.
34Then the King will say to the people on his right, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father! Come and possess the kingdom which has been prepared for you ever since the creation of the world. 35I was hungry and you fed me, thirsty and you gave me a drink; I was a stranger and you received me in your homes, 36naked and you clothed me; I was sick and you took care of me, in prison and you visited me.’
37 “The righteous will then answer him, ‘When, Lord, did we ever see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you a drink? 38When did we ever see you a stranger and welcome you in our homes, or naked and clothe you? 39When did we ever see you sick or in prison, and visit you?’ 40The King will reply, ‘I tell you, whenever you did this for one of the least important of these members of my family, you did it for me!’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Away from me, you that are under God's curse! Away to the eternal fire which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels! 42I was hungry but you would not feed me, thirsty but you would not give me a drink; 43I was a stranger but you would not welcome me in your homes, naked but you would not clothe me; I was sick and in prison but you would not take care of me.’
44 “Then they will answer him, ‘When, Lord, did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and would not help you?’ 45The King will reply, ‘I tell you, whenever you refused to help one of these least important ones, you refused to help me.’ 46These, then, will be sent off to everlasting punishment, but the righteous will go to everlasting life.”
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Redemptionsong
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We both agree that the wages of sin is death but this does not answer the question about inherited sin.
If Jesus was a man with a biological father then he would have faced paying the penalty of his father's iniquity. Hence Numbers 14:18. He would also have fallen under the universal human condemnation of sin (Galatians 3:22).
Here's what Psalm 51:5 says: 'Behold, l was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me'.
Can this be applied to Jesus, too? By making him a man with a biological father, you do just that!
Thanks Misty, and perhaps even praying that God's holy spirit guide even 'enemies' so that they will Not perish will an unrepentant world - 2 Peter 3:9.
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I find it is clear at Revelation 3:12 that the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still thinks he has a God over him.
Jesus did Not appear in Heaven in front of himself according to Hebrews 9:24.
Yes, Jesus instructs as to who to worship at John 4:23-24
Jesus, as King, decides who is worthy of one's service -> Matthew 25:37.
Redemptionsong
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If you read Revelation 3:11, it says 'Behold, l come quickly:' This same 'l' is most definitely Jesus Christ because in Revelation 22:7,12 and 20 the same expression is used of the coming of Jesus Christ.
So, on the basis of this you could argue that Jesus Christ is talking about 'my God' as someone distinct from himself. But look now at Revelation 21:22 and the description given of the new Jerusalem. Here we find it said, 'And l saw no temple therein; for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it'.
This is the same temple that is mentioned in Revelation 3:12 as the temple of 'my God'. Yet here, the temple of God includes the Lamb.
Again, Revelation 21:3 says, 'And l heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God'.
How can God dwell with them if God is not in the tabernacle?
This difficulty surfaces once more in Revelation 22:1,3 where the scripture talks about the throne of God and the Lamb. And in verses 3,4 it also adds, 'and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face;' Whose face do they see? It must be that of Jesus Christ since God does not have a face.
Confusing? Yes. Which is why the answer to the problem is more subtle than many people realise. It is not a simple matter of Jesus Christ being either God or man. Jesus Christ is a man (body, soul and spirit) with God's spirit upon him. When resurrected his body becomes incorruptible, and he retains his soul alongside the Holy Spirit. He sits on the throne as the Lamb of God but is also distinct from the Father because he has a soul and comes to earth.
To me, the matter is resolved to my satisfaction by the clear statements that tell us that Jesus Christ is OUR Lord and saviour. It is He whom we should serve because that is the will of the Father.
I would not know God were it not for Jesus Christ. Through Jesus Christ l receive the Holy Spirit and am able to call myself a son of God. It's impossible, lMO, to approach the throne of God without going through Jesus Christ.
The Anointed
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1 Timothy 1; From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by order of God our savior and Christ Jesus our hope.
John 20: 17; Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
Who was the 365 day old unblemished lamb of God, the man Jesus, or the one, who at the age of 365 was carried to The MOST HIGH in the creation and anointed as the heir and successor to the throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation and translated from a body of corruptible matter into a glorious body of brilliant and blinding incorruptible Light, in order that he should not have to experience death.
The Son of Man, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who filled the man Jesus with his words=spirit, (My words are spirit said the Lord through the mouth of his obedient servant, and my words are life,) No wonder you thought that Jesus was 'The Son of Man' who said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18-19; “I will send them a prophet just like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS in his mouth, and he will tell the people everything that I command him to say. And whoever will not give heed to MY WORDS which he will speak in MY NAME, I will surely punish.”
“Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?”
They were the words that Jesus was commanded to say by “Who I Am,” who raised the body of Jesus, the earthly temple, which had been filled with his spirit.
Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.
Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.
1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.
2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.
Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord God our saviour) has fixed a day in which he shall judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.
It was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who said through his obedient servant Jesus; “Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up.”
John 6: 63-64; What gives life is God's Spirit; human power is of no use at all. The words I have spoken to you are (that) spirit and Life.
Redemptionsong
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Psalm 130:5. 'I wait for the LORD, my soul doth wait, and in his word do I hope.'
Since Jesus Christ is the Word of God, and the Word cannot be separated from God, it is wrong to use 1 Timothy 1:1 to create a separation of God from his Word.
Your quotations all demonstrate that the Spirit of God was upon the righteous man Jesus. When the Spirit of God left Jesus at his crucifixion, he exclaimed 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?' This is because a holy God does not coexist with sin. But the same Spirit of God returned to raise Jesus from the dead three days and nights later. When raised, Jesus Christ became an incorruptible body and soul, together with the eternal Spirit; and he became OUR Lord and God.
When we hear Jesus Christ refer to his Father as God, we know that the perspective is the SOUL of Jesus, and not the perspective of the Spirit.
There is no power, or authority, that exists in the Father that has been denied to the Son. This is in order that we might know, for sure, that Jesus Christ is our personal God.
If God were not in Jesus Christ then He could not have reconciled the world to Himself. Yet, this is what scripture tells us: 2 Corinthians 5:19: 'To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation'.
Romans 5:10 says the same thing.
TA, your beliefs are not very clear to me, but I know that you deny the miraculous conception of Jesus Christ, and to me this causes a problem with Jesus' identity as the sinless Messiah. You also appear to be saying that Jesus Christ is not the son of God. Where do you stand?
The Anointed
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Response to post #334.
Psalm 130:5. 'I wait for the LORD, my soul doth wait, and in his word do I hope.'
Since Jesus Christ is the Word of God, and the Word cannot be separated from God, it is wrong to use 1 Timothy 1:1 to create a separation of God from his Word.
Nowhere in the holy scriptures is it said that Jesus is the ‘Word of God,’ (You’ve been listening to the false teachings of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, haven’t you?) but only that he was the one referred to in Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; where the Lord God our savior, said to Moses; ----“I will send them a prophet just like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS in his mouth, and he will tell the people everything that I command him to say. And whoever will not give heed to MY WORDS which he will speak in MY NAME, I will surely punish.”
You appear to reject the words of the Lord, which prove the teachings of your mother church, who sits on the seven hills of Rome, to be the rubbish that they are.
Your quotations all demonstrate that the Spirit of God was upon the righteous man Jesus.
My words are spirit said the Lord through his chosen host body the man Jesus. And Jesus was filled with the words=spirit of the Lord, as revealed in Deuteronomy 18: 18-19.
When the Spirit of God left Jesus at his crucifixion, he exclaimed 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?'
Correct! So, who do you believe forsook Jesus on the cross? Could it have been the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who put his WORDS into the mouth of Jesus, his chosen prophet? Or do you believe it was some other God? Could it be that you don’t believe that the only begotten son of God (The Son of EVE the body of Mankind) who crushes the head of Satan, develops within the body of mankind.
This is because a holy God does not coexist with sin.
Were Abraham, Moses, and Elijah, with whom the Lord conversed, sinless also?
But the same Spirit of God returned to raise Jesus from the dead three days and nights later. When raised, Jesus Christ became an incorruptible body and soul, together with the eternal Spirit; and he became OUR Lord and God.
Nope! The spirit, of ‘The Son of Man’ the only begotten son of God, that abandoned His chosen heir and successor on the cross, (Who he filled with his spirit on the day he was baptized) ceased to be an individual entity, by releasing all the righteous spirits on which he had evolved until the day of Jesus. These are they who came out of their graves three days after Jesus was crucified
It was HIS Father with who He was one, of who he spoke about through the mouth of his servant Jesus, who raised his earthly temple again, three days after the Jews had destroyed his earthly Temple.
When we hear Jesus Christ refer to his Father as God, we know that the perspective is the SOUL of Jesus, and not the perspective of the Spirit.
When we hear Jesus refer to his Father as God, we know that they were not the words of the man Jesus, but the words of the Lord God our savior who put his WORDS into the mouth of Jesus, his chosen prophet, and commanded him what to say.
There is no power, or authority, that exists in the Father that has been denied to the Son.
Correct! The Omega, is who the Alpha becomes. The two are one in two separate points in time
This is in order that we might know, for sure, that Jesus Christ is our personal God.
Nope! 1 Timothy 1; From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by order of God our savior, and Christ Jesus our hope. You see, unlike yourself, I believe the scriptures and not the false teachings of your mother body, who sits on the seven hills of Rome.
If God were not in Jesus Christ then He could not have reconciled the world to Himself.
The Lord God our savior, the ‘Son of Man’ who is the only one who can pay the penalty for the sins of the Body (Eve=Mankind) in which he develops, was in Jesus, his chosen heir and successor, and has reconciled the world to himself,
Yet, this is what scripture tells us: 2 Corinthians 5:19: 'To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation'.
Romans 5:10 says the same thing.
Correct! The Lord God our savior, was in Jesus reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation'.
TA, your beliefs are not very clear to me,
I realise that the holy scriptures are not very clear to you
but I know that you deny the miraculous conception of Jesus Christ, and to me this causes a problem with Jesus' identity as the sinless Messiah.
Being born as the biological son of Mary and her half brother Joseph, who were both sired by Alexander Helios, who is also called Heli by different mothers, was no miracle.
You also appear to be saying that Jesus Christ is not the son of God. Where do you stand?
How many times, must I keep repeating to you, that Jesus became the son, heir, and successor of the Lord God our savior, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, on the day that he was filled with the spirit of our Lord God and savior, as the heavenly voice was heard to say; “You are My Son, This day I have begotten thee? “
Nighty, night young fellow.
Psalm 130:5. 'I wait for the LORD, my soul doth wait, and in his word do I hope.'
Since Jesus Christ is the Word of God, and the Word cannot be separated from God, it is wrong to use 1 Timothy 1:1 to create a separation of God from his Word.
Nowhere in the holy scriptures is it said that Jesus is the ‘Word of God,’ (You’ve been listening to the false teachings of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, haven’t you?) but only that he was the one referred to in Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; where the Lord God our savior, said to Moses; ----“I will send them a prophet just like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS in his mouth, and he will tell the people everything that I command him to say. And whoever will not give heed to MY WORDS which he will speak in MY NAME, I will surely punish.”
You appear to reject the words of the Lord, which prove the teachings of your mother church, who sits on the seven hills of Rome, to be the rubbish that they are.
Your quotations all demonstrate that the Spirit of God was upon the righteous man Jesus.
My words are spirit said the Lord through his chosen host body the man Jesus. And Jesus was filled with the words=spirit of the Lord, as revealed in Deuteronomy 18: 18-19.
When the Spirit of God left Jesus at his crucifixion, he exclaimed 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?'
Correct! So, who do you believe forsook Jesus on the cross? Could it have been the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who put his WORDS into the mouth of Jesus, his chosen prophet? Or do you believe it was some other God? Could it be that you don’t believe that the only begotten son of God (The Son of EVE the body of Mankind) who crushes the head of Satan, develops within the body of mankind.
This is because a holy God does not coexist with sin.
Were Abraham, Moses, and Elijah, with whom the Lord conversed, sinless also?
But the same Spirit of God returned to raise Jesus from the dead three days and nights later. When raised, Jesus Christ became an incorruptible body and soul, together with the eternal Spirit; and he became OUR Lord and God.
Nope! The spirit, of ‘The Son of Man’ the only begotten son of God, that abandoned His chosen heir and successor on the cross, (Who he filled with his spirit on the day he was baptized) ceased to be an individual entity, by releasing all the righteous spirits on which he had evolved until the day of Jesus. These are they who came out of their graves three days after Jesus was crucified
It was HIS Father with who He was one, of who he spoke about through the mouth of his servant Jesus, who raised his earthly temple again, three days after the Jews had destroyed his earthly Temple.
When we hear Jesus Christ refer to his Father as God, we know that the perspective is the SOUL of Jesus, and not the perspective of the Spirit.
When we hear Jesus refer to his Father as God, we know that they were not the words of the man Jesus, but the words of the Lord God our savior who put his WORDS into the mouth of Jesus, his chosen prophet, and commanded him what to say.
There is no power, or authority, that exists in the Father that has been denied to the Son.
Correct! The Omega, is who the Alpha becomes. The two are one in two separate points in time
This is in order that we might know, for sure, that Jesus Christ is our personal God.
Nope! 1 Timothy 1; From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by order of God our savior, and Christ Jesus our hope. You see, unlike yourself, I believe the scriptures and not the false teachings of your mother body, who sits on the seven hills of Rome.
If God were not in Jesus Christ then He could not have reconciled the world to Himself.
The Lord God our savior, the ‘Son of Man’ who is the only one who can pay the penalty for the sins of the Body (Eve=Mankind) in which he develops, was in Jesus, his chosen heir and successor, and has reconciled the world to himself,
Yet, this is what scripture tells us: 2 Corinthians 5:19: 'To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation'.
Romans 5:10 says the same thing.
Correct! The Lord God our savior, was in Jesus reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation'.
TA, your beliefs are not very clear to me,
I realise that the holy scriptures are not very clear to you
but I know that you deny the miraculous conception of Jesus Christ, and to me this causes a problem with Jesus' identity as the sinless Messiah.
Being born as the biological son of Mary and her half brother Joseph, who were both sired by Alexander Helios, who is also called Heli by different mothers, was no miracle.
You also appear to be saying that Jesus Christ is not the son of God. Where do you stand?
How many times, must I keep repeating to you, that Jesus became the son, heir, and successor of the Lord God our savior, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, on the day that he was filled with the spirit of our Lord God and savior, as the heavenly voice was heard to say; “You are My Son, This day I have begotten thee? “
Nighty, night young fellow.
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Redemptionsong
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Not much maturity shown there, TA!
So you refuse to accept the miraculous conception of Mary, and now you state that Jesus Christ is not the Word of God. Don't tell me, Revelation 19:13 is another diabolic conspiracy by the Roman church to alter the truth of scripture!
The Anointed
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Please reveal where in the holy scriptures it is actually said that Jesus is the 'WORD=Logos'. He definitely spoke the words that our Lord God commanded him to say, but he is not the LOGOS=WORD.
His name is “The Word of God”. 14The armies of heaven followed him, riding on white horses and dressed in clean white linen. 15Out of his mouth came a sharp sword, with which he will defeat the nations. He will rule over them with a rod of iron, and he will trample out the wine in the winepress of the furious anger of the Almighty God. 16On his robe and on his thigh was written the name: “King of kings and Lord of lords”.
Numbers 24: 17, "A king, like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his property. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors." This is the Lord, who has not yet descended from his heights in time and entered the body of Jesus, where he shall be treated with outrage and hung upon a tree, etc.
Zechariah 12: 10; "They will look upon me and see the one who they pierced, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child etc."
"They will look upon me (The Lord God our savior) and see the one who they pierced, (The man Jesus, who was filled with the spirit of the Lord God our savior) and they shall mourn for him (Jesus) as one mourns for an only child etc.
NWT “I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of favor and supplication, and they will look to the one whom they pierced, and they will wail over him (Not Me) as they would wail over an only son; and they will grieve bitterly over him (Not Me) as they would grieve over a firstborn son.
י וְשָׁפַכְתִּי עַל-בֵּית דָּוִיד וְעַל יוֹשֵׁב יְרוּשָׁלִַם, רוּחַ חֵן וְתַחֲנוּנִים, וְהִבִּיטוּ אֵלַי, אֵת אֲשֶׁר-דָּקָרוּ; וְסָפְדוּ עָלָיו, כְּמִסְפֵּד עַל-הַיָּחִיד, וְהָמֵר עָלָיו, כְּהָמֵר עַל-הַבְּכוֹר. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they shall look unto Me because they have thrust HIM through; and they shall mourn for HIM, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for HIM, as one that is in bitterness for his first-born.
To see the man Jesus, who they pierced, is to see the Lord God the savior of the Jews, who revealed himself through his servant Jesus..
Isaiah 63: 1-6, "Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?" It is the Lord, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. "Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who tramples grapes to make wine?" . . . . . The Lord answers, "I have trampled the nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I DECIDED THAT THE TIME TO SAVE MY PEOPLE HAD COME; it was time to punish their enemies.------ I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole nations and shattered them, I poured out their life’s blood on the earth."
See Zechariah 14. The Lord will come to fight for his people Israel as he has fought in times past. He will fight the enemies of Israel; those Nations who surround Jerusalem in their attempt to drive God's chosen people into the sea.
It is Elijah, who is to appear immediately before the day of God's wrath, 'The great Tribulation' and gather the required number of Jews and Gentiles, who are to take the thrones that have been prepared for them,
Tribe of Benjamin was effectively destroyed by his brother tribes: See Judges 20: 48; and 21: 6.
From the Last Testament of Benjamin to his children 9: 1; "And I believe that there will be also evil-doings among you, from the words of Enoch the righteous: that ye shall commit fornication with the fornication of Sodom, and shall perish, all save a few, and shall renew wanton deeds with women; and the kingdom of the Lord shall not be among, you, for straightway He shall take it away. 2 Nevertheless the temple of God shall be in your portion, and the last (temple) shall be more glorious than the first. And the twelve tribes shall be gathered together there, and all the Gentiles, (The 144,000) until the Most High shall send forth His salvation in the visitation of an only 3 begotten prophet. [And He shall enter into the [first] temple, and there shall the Lord be treated with outrage, and He shall be lifted up upon 4 a tree. And the veil of the temple shall be rent, and the Spirit of God shall pass on to the Gentiles 5 as fire poured forth. And He shall ascend from Hades and shall pass from earth into heaven. And I know how lowly He shall be upon earth, and how glorious in heaven.]
This has not yet happened, and will not happen until our Lord God and savior (Like King David) has subdued the nations surrounding Jerusalem, and set his chosen son on his throne, from where he shall rule the Great SABBATH DAY of one thousand years.
Acts 17: 31, For He has set a day when he shall judge the whole world with Justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone, by raising that MAN from death.
To a fourth dimension person, no one in his past is dead, and all (Who he chooses) can receive a visitation from him.
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Redemptionsong
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There are four occasions in the writings of John where the 'Logos' is personified. They are: John 1:1; John 1:14; 1 John 1:1 and Revelation 19:13.