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Black lives matter co-founder says they are trained Marxists.

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
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I did not know you're a gal.
I just thought you're purple.
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amorphous_constellation

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Yeah the whole state above individual rights thing. Is that common in “red quadrants?”

It's the basis for the red and blue quadrant of the compass.. The difference is the state mandated approach to any given social issue, ranging from a 'traditional' stance to a 'progressive' stance. An extreme blue might might write laws inspired by the 'traditional' religion for example, while the red might mandate atheism, if that is considered progressive in a culture. The green would merely accept atheism, rather than require it. Positions are technically subjective in that they aren't fully meta-cultural, though this applies mostly to the social positioning rather than the economic, since the gradient of economic action is somewhat more universal. Only the extreme libertarian position would technically be the same in any given circumstance.
 

Stevicus

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The policing system was what it was, including the secret police,
gulags, & all other mechanisms which maintained strict control.
I favor a balance between crime & its prevention which is less
oppressive than what Stalin imposed.

I've read estimates of Stalin's killings from 3 to 60 million.
Let's take the lower figure, & reduce it one order of magnitude.
300k is still far far worse than the rate BLM decries in Ameristan.

If we're using the same standard and counting every death at the hands of the government or in state custody (including accidents, illness, natural causes, etc.), then the number could be much higher.

We can advocate this equality without being shackled by marxism.

You can't have true equality unless it also includes economic equality. Without that, "equality" is just a facade, an illusion to placate the masses, but it was never real.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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You can't have true equality unless it also includes economic equality. Without that, "equality" is just a facade, an illusion to placate the masses, but it was never real.
I don't advocate economic equality of outcome for all.
That would be ridiculous. I want the liberty to earn &
have more than some lowest common denominator.
We can have a safety net to provide a minimum though.
 
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Stevicus

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I don't advocate economic equality of outcome for all.
That would be ridiculous. I want the liberty to earn &
have more than some lowest common denominator.
We can have a safety net to provide a minimum though.

I don't equate "economic equality" with "economic equality of outcome."

I agree in principle about a safety net to provide a minimum, but in practice, it's not so much a "net" but rather some kind of bureaucratic Byzantine maze.

I think it's the attitudes and practices of bureaucrats which plant the first seeds of dissent and revolution in people's minds. In practice, those are the kinds of people who citizens will meet and deal with more often when dealing with the government.

That's where guys like Stalin come into the picture, since he seemed to have a very low tolerance for bureaucratic BS. If he thought a bureaucrat wasn't doing his job, he would...well...have them replaced.
 

SomeRandom

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Lol. *Grin* They pretty much do anyways. !Op
Well to be fair I’ve seen people be called Marxists simply for not being on board for hypercapitalism.
Nothing but a tennis game involving poo flinging, if you ask me.
But since I’m a neo marxist now, apparently. I suppose I only have one thing left to say to you.

*clears throat*
Fascist!! ;);):p
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well to be fair I’ve seen people be called Marxists simply for not being on board for hypercapitalism.
Nothing but a tennis game involving poo flinging, if you ask me.
But since I’m a neo marxist now, apparently. I suppose I only have one thing left to say to you.

*clears throat*
Fascist!! ;);):p


*Grin*
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I agree in principle about a safety net to provide a minimum, but in practice, it's not so much a "net" but rather some kind of bureaucratic Byzantine maze.
The UBI could do away with the massive bureaucracy.
The only question is....
Would government be willing to tolerate such simplicity
& reduced need for its massive labor force?
I think it's the attitudes and practices of bureaucrats which plant the first seeds of dissent and revolution in people's minds. In practice, those are the kinds of people who citizens will meet and deal with more often when dealing with the government.

That's where guys like Stalin come into the picture, since he seemed to have a very low tolerance for bureaucratic BS. If he thought a bureaucrat wasn't doing his job, he would...well...have them replaced.
Aye, those purges were.....something to behold.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Well to be fair I’ve seen people be called Marxists simply for not being on board for hypercapitalism.
Nothing but a tennis game involving poo flinging, if you ask me.
But since I’m a neo marxist now, apparently. I suppose I only have one thing left to say to you.

*clears throat*
Fascist!! ;);):p

Some people have not realised that the Marxists are the true Fascists.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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actually its the Trump supporters that are the fascists of today
 

Stevicus

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The UBI could do away with the massive bureaucracy.
The only question is....
Would government be willing to tolerate such simplicity
& reduced need for its massive labor force?

Well, if it's an act of Congress signed by the President, it wouldn't matter what anyone else in the government is willing to tolerate.

Aye, those purges were.....something to behold.

Bureaucrats can be so stubborn at times.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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You know the peculiar thing about Fascist and Marxist regimes is the uncanny similarity of what they become at the end.
Marxism requires fascism in order to impose its structure.
If any country ever tried marxism, we'd see this play out.
 

Tambourine

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Has anybody discovered how you train to become a Marxist?

Is there some kind of test you need to take? Do you get a diploma that says "Marxist"?
Do people in the US put that on their resume?
 
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