Would God allow a false prophet to claim a new Law and commandments?

Trailblazer said:

There is a very simple answer to your question. In order to stop people from preaching more than one religion, God would have to interfere with the free will of 84% of people in the world, since that us how many people have a religion. God may as well make humans into His puppets on a string as do that.

According to my beliefs, God is biding His time because God knows that the religions will eventually unite and do that voluntarily, since that is what God has ordained...
“That which the Lord hath ordained as the sovereign remedy and mightiest instrument for the healing of all the world is the union of all its peoples in one universal Cause, one common Faith.” The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 91

One might wonder why God allowed the religions to be separate throughout all of history, causing bloodshed and dissension. All I can say is that I do not believe it was not God's Purpose that the religions unite back then, since humanity was not ready for that; but it is God's Purpose that they unite eventually, after humanity becomes more spiritually evolved.

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Then everything you just wrote can also be applied to what you asked below.

If you believe in a God who cares people follow a good way of life, to become enabled to be admitted to heaven, but a false prophet misguided them to the wronge way on behalf of God, why wouldn't God do anything about it?

InvestigateTruth said:

But, would God allow a false prophet to come up with certain commands and laws by himself, and claim he is revealing commandments, decrees, ordinances and laws from God and demand everyone to obey and follow his book, he claims to be from God?

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FLDS:

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Even after all of the evil this prophet has perpetrated on so many people and is in Jail convicted of child sex abuse, he still runs an extremely large cult from prison!
God doesn't seem to care very much about that cult prophet.

Trailblazer said:

If a man did that I would say that he was a false prophet and that God will punish Him because I believe that the Writings of Baha'ullah represent the inerrant Word of God.

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Yes, if he was a false prophet. I don't know if Bida can occur in this case.

wandering peacefully said:

FLDS:

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Even after all of the evil this prophet has perpetrated on so many people and is in Jail convicted of child sex abuse, he still runs an extremely large cult from prison!
God doesn't seem to care very much about that cult prophet.

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No, because he didnt claim, his teachings are better than Jesus, and everyone is to follow him now, instead of Jesus.

InvestigateTruth said:

No, because he didnt claim, his teachings are better than Jesus, and everyone is to follow him now, instead of Jesus.

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So a false prophet is someone who says don't follow Jesus anymore and claim to have better teachings than Jesus?

God the male scientist history is O the stone.

Philosophy of the stone, the body of the planet on which a human male lives.

The stone O the body that was present as the Creator theme. O stone released its hot volcanic gases as an ejection into the womb of empty space, just as it was taught, philosophy of the Earth.

The philosophy said that the Sun, O a God body O that rebelled, became self destructive. It was cooling like the Earth, but as it was a larger body exploded as it cooled.

And it attacked the God O bodies in the Universe...and converted them.

How the philosophy taught the relevance of our ENTITY O The planet Earth.

Stone therefore was considered in their philosophy to be Creator.

To gain a false body, is to gain a false body of STONE.

The story says that when the Sun exploded its cold gases ejected first into space, and spatial pressure in smaller bodies of spirit/gases formed STONE.

And they were the false bodies.

For a Sun could not become stone by its own GOD O rebellion.

How it was taught.

Males learnt a lesson, if you want to remove mass from O God the Earth via science, and transport it through space......gases on Earth only own filled in space.

You therefore can only transport created stone through a gas to apply conversion.

Not transformed stone...which is why you do it in a machine reaction.

Yet God the stone was formed in empty out of space to be STONE.

How you get a False Prophet, the other part of stone X MASS that can transport itself through real EMPTY space comes to Earth and hits it.

What philosophy was taught for in the past, about NATURAL cause and effect for claiming invention was creating....when invention and reactions was applied on how to destroy the body of God in empty space......actually.

Trailblazer said:

What's truly illogical and preposterous is to suggest that 84% of the world's population are wrong about something as important as God and religion.

Then of course, atheists are left having to explain how the all the great world religions got established without a God behind them. There is nothing that can be compared to the power of religion to transform humanity, and of course all civilizations have been based upon the great world religions.
RELIGION AND CIVILIZATION

Certainly, some of those religious people might have false beliefs, but that does not mean all their beliefs are false, and that does not mean that there is no religion that has true beliefs.

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Sorry but that's truly laughable. If at LEAST 84% of the population can be wrong about something as important as whether the Earth is flat or whether the sun orbits the Earth then it's PERFECTLY logical to believe that 84% of the population could be wrong about something as undefined as a creator god being, especially when there are thousands of different claims about what that creator god being actually is.

As for explaining the establishment of religions it's as easy as explaining why at one point 100% of human beings believed that earthquakes and erupting volcanoes were expressions of anger from some sentient being. Human beings have a natural desire for explanations and when they can't find established reasons for something they tend to make things up. And there has also been a portion of the human population who understand this natural human desire and have exploited it throughout history by pretending that they have answers to questions that people desperately want answers to. This gives them some degree of control over the population and such control does indeed result in the leaders being able to get more accomplished.

A prophet generally means a person who claims to receive revelations from a divinity, or someone who claims to know future, because he is inspired. A false prophet is one, who is lying, Regardless if he says his teachings are better than Jesus or not. But the example you gave, does not claim he has a covenant from God, and everyone is supposed to obey new laws and ordinances, thus, God is not concerned with such a person who claims to be a prophet. But if a person, falsely claims to have a new covenant from God, and all are to obey him, and follow his new laws, and ordinances, then, God is concerned and will end it.

Trailblazer said:

You do not Understand God at all. There are prophets. There are messengers. There are laws coming from God. There is a need.

You just don't like prophets because you think you can Understand God without them, but you can't.

All the world's great religions did not originate from man. That is illogical and preposterous. That would mean that most of the world population is wrong about God, since, 84 percent of the world population has a faith.

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I know God from God. You assume you know God from what mankind has told you.

I have pointed you in a direction by which you could Discover it all for yourself yet it's easier for you just to accept a Belief.

You are right most of the world has a Faith. Beliefs merely point a direction by which one should search to Discover the real truth.

You are right I have no faith. Knowing is better than believing. I will always be one who can never be satisfied with Beliefs. I will Know.

Most of the world at one time Believed the world was Flat. Simply because you have great numbers believing does not mean they are right. I have found no religion that understands God. On the other hand, each has pieces of the puzzle within them.

I understand why you think God needs messengers and laws for His people. You copy mankind. You have to realize God's IQ is much Higher. God has a better way and God is using it as we speak. Genius exists far beyond the ideas of mankind. It's all within everyone's grasp. On the other hand, one will never get there with a view narrowed down to a box of beliefs.

It Stares us all in the face waiting for those who are ready to Discover what it's all about.

Religion is a Catalyst that brings so many of the world's problems to the surface so they can be dealt with. After all, when one thinks they have God's blessing, one can justify anything. What are you choosing to do that you have justified through mere Beliefs. Is this what you would choose for yourself? Are these choices really a Higher Level???? Are you giving only Unconditional Love??

There are always a million questions one should ask.

That's what I see. It's very very clear!!

columbus said:

No, only having something resembling empirical evidence can truly make you free to choose. You're not free until you have that.

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nay.....

once the truth is known....there is only that one path
and all other choices are no longer choices

QuestioningMind said:

Sorry but that's truly laughable. If at LEAST 84% of the population can be wrong about something as important as whether the Earth is flat or whether the sun orbits the Earth...

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But 84% are not wrong about that, not since the age of science,

QuestioningMind said:

then it's PERFECTLY logical to believe that 84% of the population could be wrong about something as undefined as a creator god being, especially when there are thousands of different claims about what that creator god being actually is.

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I can understand why there might be some confusion about which religion is correct but that is not the same thing as saying there is no God. Why put it all off on religion? Religion is a man-made construct unless it was revealed by God.

QuestioningMind said:

As for explaining the establishment of religions it's as easy as explaining why at one point 100% of human beings believed that earthquakes and erupting volcanoes were expressions of anger from some sentient being. Human beings have a natural desire for explanations and when they can't find established reasons for something they tend to make things up. And there has also been a portion of the human population who understand this natural human desire and have exploited it throughout history by pretending that they have answers to questions that people desperately want answers to. This gives them some degree of control over the population and such control does indeed result in the leaders being able to get more accomplished.

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You are describing man-made religions controlled by religious leaders who have a given agenda, not religions revealed by God through Messengers of God.

Bird123 said:

I know God from God. You assume you know God from what mankind has told you.

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I know God from what Manifestations of God have revealed, not from mankind.

If you believe you' know God from God' you must think God has revealed Himself to you. Do you consider yourself a Messenger of God akin to Jesus?

Oh, I forgot. You think you can Discover God like Columbus discovered America.
I guess the atheists have not discovered God yet,

Bird123 said:

You are right most of the world has a Faith. Beliefs merely point a direction by which one should search to Discover the real truth.

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The Real Truth comes from Messengers of God, not from you.

Bird123 said:

You are right I have no faith. Knowing is better than believing. I will always be one who can never be satisfied with Beliefs. I will Know.

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You think you know but that is not the same thing as knowing.

Bird123 said:

I have found no religion that understands God.

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But you Understand God better than Jesus.

Bird123 said:

I understand why you think God needs messengers and laws for His people. You copy mankind. You have to realize God's IQ is much Higher. God has a better way and God is using it as we speak.

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God has no better way and that is why God has always used Messengers to communicate to humanity.

InvestigateTruth said:

What does this add to our discussion? So, you mean if Muhammad had invented anything from Himself in Quran and attributed to God, then God had cut His heart artery, but, when for example Bahaullah had written a whole 200 volumes, and attributed all of them to God, God would not cut His heart artery? Why?

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Yes. It’s addressing Muhammad.

mid you think otherwise it’s fine. It’s your faith. But it’s not Relevant to this particular verse. It’s addressing the Quran specifically. Simple, just like in the beginning of chapter two where it says zalikal kithaba la raiba feehi hudhallil muttaqeen.

InvestigateTruth said:

I didnt say all false prophets. A false prophets who changes the words of God's holy Books, and claiming that is what God is asking to be done.
When God has given a Book to be a guidance to all, and someone comes and says, God, now has revealed a new holy book to replace Bible!

When you say Jesus performed miracles to convince others, that is not interfering with free will? When people see a convincing miracle, they have no choice to reject faith!

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There is only one Holy book, the Bible. All others are counterfeit.

There are many in the Bible who rejected Christ, in spite of the miracles.

They had total free will.

InvestigateTruth said:

I don't see how this is striking people with different opinions.


What if a false prophet brings a set of laws and ordinances that causes people to become corrupted, wrongful, murderers. A false prophet who brings war, and violence. A prophet who causes people end up in hell!


If you believe in a God who cares people follow a good way of life, to become enabled to be admitted to heaven, but a false prophet misguided them to the wronge way on behalf of God, why wouldn't God do anything about it?

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There have been many instances where this has, in fact, happened, if God does actually exist.

shmogie said:

There are many in the Bible who rejected Christ, in spite of the miracles.

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Including, for example, Apostle Thomas.
Until Jesus interfered with his free will by physically demonstrating His Resurrection.
At least, according to the Gospel.
Tom

Trailblazer said:

But 84% are not wrong about that, not since the age of science,

I can understand why there might be some confusion about which religion is correct but that is not the same thing as saying there is no God. Why put it all off on religion? Religion is a man-made construct unless it was revealed by God.

You are describing man-made religions controlled by religious leaders who have a given agenda, not religions revealed by God through Messengers of God.

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But 84% are not wrong about that, not since the age of science,

Yet, at one time 84% WERE wrong about that. Just like in the future it's quite possible that we'll look back and say that at one time 84% of people were wrong about there being a god entity. So you arguing that 84% of people can't be wrong about god is EXACTLY THE SAME as someone centuries ago claiming that 100% of people can't be wrong about the sun orbiting the Earth. History has demonstrated that they most definitely CAN be wrong.

I can understand why there might be some confusion about which religion is correct but that is not the same thing as saying there is no God. Why put it all off on religion? Religion is a man-made construct unless it was revealed by God.

Yet virtually every religion CLAIMS that their beliefs were revealed by god, so it's certainly quite possible that ALL regions are man-made constructs and that there is NO religion that was actually revealed by god. And when people rely on completely unreliable 'evidence' like claimed prophecies to bolster the notion that their religion was revealed by god, it becomes all that easier to conclude that there has actually be NO religion that was ever revealed by any god being.

leibowde84 said:

There have been many instances where this has, in fact, happened, if God does actually exist.

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Give an example, and evidence that there was a person as you say.

firedragon said:

Yes. It’s addressing Muhammad.

mid you think otherwise it’s fine. It’s your faith. But it’s not Relevant to this particular verse. It’s addressing the Quran specifically. Simple, just like in the beginning of chapter two where it says zalikal kithaba la raiba feehi hudhallil muttaqeen.

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No, it doesnt just address Quran. It says, if Muhammad made anything in Quran from himself, Allah would have cut his heart artery. God did not tell us to just blindly accept verses. He said use your brain as well. So, I have a question, why would God cut Muhammad's heart artery if He had attributed anything falsely to Allah, but He wouldn't cut another person's heart artery if he has attributed a whole 200 volumes falsely to Allah. You seem whenever you don't have an answer, conveniently ignore my questions. Just as you ask me questions, and I will answer, please do the same if you can.

Trailblazer said:

I know God from what Manifestations of God have revealed, not from mankind.

If you believe you' know God from God' you must think God has revealed Himself to you. Do you consider yourself a Messenger of God akin to Jesus?

Oh, I forgot. You think you can Discover God like Columbus discovered America.
I guess the atheists have not discovered God yet,

The Real Truth comes from Messengers of God, not from you.

You think you know but that is not the same thing as knowing.

But you Understand God better than Jesus.

God has no better way and that is why God has always used Messengers to communicate to humanity.

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You have made up your mind and set these parameters for God. How little you understand God. How little you understand me.

God has no messengers. God has no manifestations. God has no prophets. God isn't telling anyone what to do. God is Teaching His children through their Free Choices.

There is no commanding, no ruling, no controlling, no judging, no blaming, no coercing, no intimidating, no punishing, no hating, no anger, no wrath. God is Unconditional Love. WE are living our lessons. We are choosing what we want to return to us.

I know you have not learn what all those petty things really are. You would not choose them. I know you can not conceive existence without them.

How can you reach a Higher Level holding onto such things? It's just like holding onto your pain for dear life. You can't see the entire picture because you focus on only one thing. Are you so sure of your ways that you never Question them??

What I am about: I am one who realized at a young age all those stories about God do not add up. I had to know the Real Truth. I started a journey to Discovery, open enough to Discover the Real Truth regardless of what that was. I was even open to the possibility that God did not exist.

After many years, I have Discovered much. When I reached a certain level of understanding, God paid me a visit.

Did God command me to spread any word? Of course not. God does not command. Why do I tell people about God? I see so very much people say about God that simply isn't true. I see the manipulating, coercing, judging, controlling nature of so many with very little Real Truth getting out.

I'm sure everyone will Discover the Real Truth after many many lifetimes, however I think it is important that the Real Truth is out there for those who are ready to Discover it to see. The road to Discovery starting from the stories of religion is a difficult road so I point so people know there is a path other than Blind Beliefs. No one pointed for me.

Like God. I make no demands at all. Be who you must! That's a part of the Plan! BE FREE!! CHOOSE!! LEARN!! No one will get any hate from either God nor I regardless of all the stories and beliefs people choose.

Live and Learn those lessons. They all point to Unconditional Love and letting go of all those petty things.

Finally, I don't ask anyone to Believe. Hasn't there been way too much believing and very little real Discovering?

I guess it's all in what one really wants: Blind Beliefs formed from the opinions of others or Real Truth. There will be Lessons to Learn regardless of the path taken.

That is what I see. It's very very clear!!