House passes War Powers Resolution in rebuke of Trump's actions against Iran

Revoltingest said:

The bill doesn't prevent assassinations.....it just requires more oversight.
"Foolish" would apply if Trump having the ability to act unilaterally were
of great value. But I see it otherwise.

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Trump is considered reckless by some. But what he accomplished was remarkable! He made Iran show us their gall... Now we've come to better understand their limits, weaknesses and strengths. We've come to understand the Iranian public's perspective.

Through fear, we would have never gained any of this.

Landon Caeli said:

Trump is considered reckless by some. But what he accomplished was remarkable! He made Iran show us their gall... Now we've come to better understand their limits, weaknesses and strengths. We've come to understand the Iranian public's perspective.

Through fear, we would have never gained any of this.

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Hmmm...I don't see it as an accomplishment, ie, no real critically useful info.
Btw, I'm not advocating fear....just rational thought in the pursuit of general peace.

Landon Caeli said:

I wish the Democrats thought like that. What they've just passed will prevent *all* future assasinations. A foolish move, IMO.

...This bill hinders our future.

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It only prevents the assassinations that aren't approved by Congress.

What it does is stop presidents from usurping Congress's constitutional authority to declare war.

Landon Caeli said:

So the U.S. can never kill another Bin Laden or Al Baghdadi now, because the Democrats hate president Donald Trump so much, that they're willing to put mine and your lives all at risk to get even with him.

...Because by the time he gets approval for an assassination, it will be too late from now on.

...And now Iran and all the terrorists know this, and can breathe easy.

House approves war powers resolution to restrict Trump on Iran

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/house-measure-demanding-trump-pull-back-on-iran-could-have-some-gop-support/2020/01/09/c612975c-3300-11ea-91fd-82d4e04a3fac_story.html?outputType=amp

House passes War Powers Resolution in rebuke of Trump's actions against Iran

Meet the lawmakers who bucked their parties on vote to limit Trump’s war powers

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Assassination has long been illegal. And Congress has power to declare (or not declare) war.

This seems to me to absolutely ordinary political bickering about the divided powers between Executive and legislative branches.

Landon Caeli said:

Except, that's not the point.

...The point is that politicians personal vendetta's are getting in the way of politics.

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Actually, no.
If you go back to the Founding Fathers and documents, you'll find that the President is expected to prosecute wars after Congress declares one. Not before!

Presidents, and their staff and supporters, have been playing fast and loose with presidential powers. It went into high gear during the Cold War, but Congress further eroded the Constitution back in 2002, when Republicans ran all branches of Washington DC.
It's about time that our elected representatives start reigning in the military violence caused by our unelected presidents.

Tom

Landon Caeli said:

So the U.S. can never kill another Bin Laden or Al Baghdadi now, because the Democrats hate president Donald Trump so much, that they're willing to put mine and your lives all at risk to get even with him.

...Because by the time he gets approval for an assassination, it will be too late from now on.

...And now Iran and all the terrorists know this, and can breathe easy.

House approves war powers resolution to restrict Trump on Iran

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/house-measure-demanding-trump-pull-back-on-iran-could-have-some-gop-support/2020/01/09/c612975c-3300-11ea-91fd-82d4e04a3fac_story.html?outputType=amp

House passes War Powers Resolution in rebuke of Trump's actions against Iran

Meet the lawmakers who bucked their parties on vote to limit Trump’s war powers

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I heard today that this non-binding, fortunately.

Failsafes exist to prevent abuse of power and tyranny. If you enjoy living in a free country you should value them.

9-10ths_Penguin said:

It only prevents the assassinations that aren't approved by Congress.

What it does is stop presidents from usurping Congress's constitutional authority to declare war.

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Congressional non-binding resolutions are merely symbolic rather than having any legal force. Without there being the possibility of Congressional leaks to the Media jeopardizing the effectiveness of U.S. military missions to get rid of terrorists, the U.S. Commander-in-chief should always have the legal right and responsibility to have the U.S. military take down leaders of terrorist organizations.

Father Heathen said:

Failsafes exist to prevent abuse of power and tyranny. If you enjoy living in a free country you should value them.

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Polymath257 said:

Assassination has long been illegal. And Congress has power to declare (or not declare) war.

This seems to me to absolutely ordinary political bickering about the divided powers between Executive and legislative branches.

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columbus said:

Actually, no.
If you go back to the Founding Fathers and documents, you'll find that the President is expected to prosecute wars after Congress declares one. Not before!

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9-10ths_Penguin said:

It only prevents the assassinations that aren't approved by Congress.

What it does is stop presidents from usurping Congress's constitutional authority to declare war.

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9-10ths_Penguin said:

Then what's the problem?

So even though Congress, not the President, has the sole constitutional authority to declare war, you think that the President should have the power to provoke war or create situations where war is inevitable?

So much for the Constitution, eh?

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Salvador said:

Congressional non-binding resolutions are merely symbolic rather than having any legal force.

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Then what's the problem?

Without there being the possibility of Congressional leaks to the Media jeopardizing the effectiveness of U.S. military missions to get rid of terrorists, the U.S. Commander-in-chief should always have the legal right and responsibility to have the U.S. military take down leaders of terrorist organizations.

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So even though Congress, not the President, has the sole constitutional authority to declare war, you think that the President should have the power to provoke war or create situations where war is inevitable?

So much for the Constitution, eh?