Well-armed good guys stop bad guy w/gun!

Salvador · Dec 30, 2019

A would-be mass shooter opened fire on a church crowd in Texas, but then within 6 seconds of beginning his attempted gun massacre, this bad guy was fortunately taken down by a couple of well-armed church goer bystanders. This incident demonstrates what I've stated before about why we need a well-armed civilian population in order to stop mass shooters from inflicting dozens of fatalities during their crazed gun rampages.

Estro Felino · Dec 30, 2019

The self defense is always legitimate...but I am afraid making guns available creates a vicious circle

Salvador · Dec 30, 2019

Estro Felino said:
The self defense is always legitimate...but I am afraid making guns available creates a vicious circle

There's too much violence in the absence of well-armed citizenry; in gun-free zone New York yesterday, five Jews were nearly stabbed to death in a synagogue. Unfortunately there were no well-armed citizens around to defend themselves.

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Revoltingest · Dec 30, 2019

Estro Felino said:
The self defense is always legitimate...but I am afraid making guns available creates a vicious circle

I'd rather not make them more available than they already are.

Estro Felino · Dec 30, 2019

Revoltingest said:
I'd rather not make them more available than they already are.

I was referring to Europe

Salvador · Dec 30, 2019

Revoltingest said:
I'd rather not make them more available than they already are.

There's nearly as many guns in America as Americans, but I think only about 10 percent of the population owns something like 99 percent of them. I've briefly gazed the mean streets of Chi-town, where gangs had control by virtue of being well-armed relative to rest of the hood.

9-10ths_Penguin · Dec 30, 2019

Salvador said:
A would-be mass shooter opened fire on a church crowd in Texas, but then within 6 seconds of beginning his attempted gun massacre, this bad guy was fortunately taken down by a couple of well-armed church goer bystanders. This incident demonstrates what I've stated before about why we need a well-armed civilian population in order to stop mass shooters from inflicting dozens of fatalities during their crazed gun rampages.

You do realize that the shooter was also an example of the "well-armed civilian population," right?

Seriously... it's like the people who say "I have to drive my kid to school because of all of the traffic in front of the school." Your "solution" is what created the problem in the first place.

9-10ths_Penguin · Dec 30, 2019

Salvador said:
There's too much violence in the absence of well-armed citizenry; in gun-free zone New York yesterday, five Jews were nearly stabbed to death in a synagogue. Unfortunately there were no well-armed citizens around to defend themselves.

A "gun-free zone" where people can freely enter and leave from areas where guns are plentiful is kinda like having a "no urinating" section of the pool: things are going to flow unless there's a real barrier, so to actually have a gun-free zone, you have to make the whole environment gun-free.

Salvador · Dec 30, 2019

9-10ths_Penguin said:
A "gun-free zone" where people can freely enter and leave from areas where guns are plentiful is kinda like having a "no urinating" section of the pool: things are going to flow unless there's a real barrier, so to actually have a gun-free zone, you have to make the whole environment gun-free.

With there being as many guns as people, the reality here we are dealing with is that the whole environment can't ever be gun-free.

McBell · Dec 30, 2019

Salvador said:
There's nearly as many guns in America as Americans, but I think only about 10 percent of the population owns something like 99 percent of them. I've briefly gazed the mean streets of Chi-town, where gangs had control by virtue of being well-armed relative to rest of the hood.

A separate Harvard-Northeastern study published in 2016 found that 3 percent of American adults (individuals in this case, not households) own half the nation's firearms. Combined with the latest Small Arms Survey estimate, that would mean that 3 percent of American adults own nearly one quarter of the world's civilian firearms stockpile. It's worth noting, however, that the Harvard-Northeastern study, which was based on a survey of gun owners, estimated a much lower number of guns in circulation: 265 million as of January 2015.

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9-10ths_Penguin · Dec 30, 2019

Salvador said:
With there being as many guns as people, the reality here we are dealing with is that the whole environment can't ever be gun-free.

70% of American adults don't own any guns:

The demographics of gun ownership in the U.S.

As @Mestemia pointed out, the reason the average is wonky is because of a small minority of people who have large caches of firearms.

exchemist · Dec 30, 2019

Salvador said:
There's too much violence in the absence of well-armed citizenry; in gun-free zone New York yesterday, five Jews were nearly stabbed to death in a synagogue. Unfortunately there were no well-armed citizens around to defend themselves.

Whereas in any European country - where guns are not available to the general public - the intentional homicide rate is a fraction of that in the USA.
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia

PureX · Dec 30, 2019

I guess "what would Jesus do" isn't something they consider in that church.

Jeremiah Ames · Dec 30, 2019

Salvador said:
A would-be mass shooter opened fire on a church crowd in Texas, but then within 6 seconds of beginning his attempted gun massacre, this bad guy was fortunately taken down by a couple of well-armed church goer bystanders. This incident demonstrates what I've stated before about why we need a well-armed civilian population in order to stop mass shooters from inflicting dozens of fatalities during their crazed gun rampages.

I think you need to spend some time with Curtis on “off the left eye”, since you claim to be Swedenborgian, but don’t appear to understand his teachings, or the Lord’s.

Valjean · Dec 30, 2019

Ubiquitous gun ownership does make violent public crime more dangerous for criminals, but it makes society more dangerous for everyone.
People are impulsive, armed people no less so. In a 'well-armed society' what would have been a fistfight or shouting match could easily devolve into a shootout.

From what I've read quite a few parishioners in yesterday's Texas church shooting drew guns. Had the shooter not been taken down almost immediately there could have been bullets flying from all directions.

McBell · Dec 30, 2019

PureX said:
I guess "what would Jesus do" isn't something they consider in that church.

At least now they are alive to discuss it..

stvdv · Dec 30, 2019

PureX said:
I guess "what would Jesus do" isn't something they consider in that church.

Jesus from the year ZERO might be different from the year 2019. We do get updates in spiritual scriptures.
Even Jesus was kicking butt when people were just having some "selling stuff" in a "church"
So, I won't be surprised if Jesus was here now, He would curse them to death in 1 second
Jesus would not wait 6 seconds I think; he might even kill before the person shoots

Even in India some Poorna Avatars were chopping off heads of some evil doers

Salvador · Dec 30, 2019

Gerry said:
I think you need to spend some time with Curtis on “off the left eye”, since you claim to be Swedenborgian, but don’t appear to understand his teachings, or the Lord’s.

Swedenborgianism allows for self-defense as well as allowing people to defend the lives of others.

tytlyf · Dec 30, 2019

Security detail at the church intervened. Good on them. So sad we live in a society flooded with weapons that people even need to have security at a church.

More guns = more gun violence

I don't know about you guys, but I think a lot of people that are armed are very irresponsible. I have no faith in them protecting me. And I own a couple weapons myself.

Salvador · Dec 30, 2019

Valjean said:
Ubiquitous gun ownership does make violent public crime more dangerous for criminals, but it makes society more dangerous for everyone.
People are impulsive, armed people no less so. In a 'well-armed society' what would have been a fistfight or shouting match could easily devolve into a shootout.

From what I've read quite a few parishioners in yesterday's Texas church shooting drew guns. Had the shooter not been taken down almost immediately there could have been bullets flying from all directions.

There almost certainly would've been bullets flying around, if not for the heroic actions of a well-armed
citizenry.

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