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Should Police Officers be allowed to carry guns?

julianalexander745

julianalexander745

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This thread is a derivative from that thread about that stabbing in Europe.

PureX said:
Reason dictates that interjecting a significant increase in the intensity and efficiency of active violence will increase the negative consequences of violence overall.
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There was also a post by a staff member that stated there was no meaningful difference between reliance on firearms in war and in presumably any other context in which person on person violence occurs.

Fair enough. And it prompted me to recall the Lindt Seige in Sydney, Australia back in 2014 when the police took just under 24 hours only to end up killing two innocent people along with the perpetrator in a complete and utter mess that the NSW police still were never adequately held accountable for.

When it comes to law enforcement, should the prevalence of police carrying firearms be curtailed in 1st world countries?

I think it should - this isn't 1865 Old West. Watching cops march through shopping centers with their glocks hanging off their waists gives me the ****s sometimes.
 
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
As long as a nation (the USA) allows any insane person or terrorist easy access to semi-automatic weapons, my answer is that the police need to be well armed.
 
Eddi

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
Yes, police officers should be allowed to carry guns

If it were up to me all police officers would be armed

Why? Self defence, plus the ability to shoot dead dangerous people who have weapons

Whenever I see armed coppers I feel much safer (e.g. at large railway stations)
 
dybmh

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
julianalexander745 said:
This thread is a derivative from that thread about that stabbing in Europe.



There was also a post by a staff member that stated there was no meaningful difference between reliance on firearms in war and in presumably any other context in which person on person violence occurs.

Fair enough. And it prompted me to recall the Lindt Seige in Sydney, Australia back in 2014 when the police took just under 24 hours only to end up killing two innocent people along with the perpetrator in a complete and utter mess that the NSW police still were never adequately held accountable for.

When it comes to law enforcement, should the prevalence of police carrying firearms be curtailed in 1st world countries?

I think it should - this isn't 1865 Old West. Watching cops march through shopping centers with their glocks hanging off their waists gives me the ****s sometimes.
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"Should Officers be allowed to carry guns?"

Yes, but I also think that each officer's uniform should be outfitted with 7-8 little webcams. two on the hat ( facing front and back ), two on each shoulder ( facing front and back ), and maybe one on the chest or waist, and one on the back somewhere.

Not only would it help prevent illegal/unnecessary use of force, but it will also allow for more safety, support, and over-watch from a supervisor's vehicle.
 
George-ananda

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
julianalexander745 said:
When it comes to law enforcement, should the prevalence of police carrying firearms be curtailed in 1st world countries?

I think it should - this isn't 1865 Old West. Watching cops march through shopping centers with their glocks hanging off their waists gives me the ****s sometimes.
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What do you suggest a police officer do when they run into someone shooting a firearm at random people in a crowded shopping mall? (People are getting shot every few seconds in this scenario).

If bad guys carry guns then police officers need to.
 
SigurdReginson

SigurdReginson

Grēne Mann
Premium Member
I don't mind when police carry guns. In this country, it's necessary. What I'm not a fan of is giving them military style training that gives them happy trigger fingers when they start treating the city or town they are supposed to protect as a war zone.
 
Stanyon

Stanyon

WWMRD?
sun rise said:
As long as a nation (the USA) allows any insane person or terrorist easy access to semi-automatic weapons,
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What is this "easy access"?
A person convicted of a felony or a person that has been adjudicated as insane in a court of law are barred from legally purchasing, owning, and in most if not all cases barred from living in a house that has firearms in it. There are multiple felonies one has to commit to get a firearm if they are legally barred from it.
 
Stanyon

Stanyon

WWMRD?
George-ananda said:
If bad guys carry guns then police officers need to.
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What about the civilians? Just tell them to hope the police get there in time I guess.

I am sure that there are many police officers that would be more than happy to stop a crime in progress but the sad reality is that for the most part they are there to pick up the pieces afterwards.
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
julianalexander745 said:
This thread is a derivative from that thread about that stabbing in Europe.



There was also a post by a staff member that stated there was no meaningful difference between reliance on firearms in war and in presumably any other context in which person on person violence occurs.

Fair enough. And it prompted me to recall the Lindt Seige in Sydney, Australia back in 2014 when the police took just under 24 hours only to end up killing two innocent people along with the perpetrator in a complete and utter mess that the NSW police still were never adequately held accountable for.

When it comes to law enforcement, should the prevalence of police carrying firearms be curtailed in 1st world countries?

I think it should - this isn't 1865 Old West. Watching cops march through shopping centers with their glocks hanging off their waists gives me the ****s sometimes.
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The problem for the U.S., though, is that there are already a trillion guns out there, and no one really knows where they all are. So it really is a bit like the "old west" in some places and instances.

The solution for us, now, cannot possibly be a ban on guns as there are just too many of them, it'll have to be a long-term institution of real and effective ownership and use licensing and regulation, with real and effective 'teeth' to bite down hard on those who will inevitably try to ignore the laws.
 
Cooky

Cooky

Veteran Member
Here is a very graphic video of police officer Kyle Dinkheller, murdered by PTSD suffering, Vietnam vet Andrew Brennan, who had greater firepower.

 
George-ananda

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Stanyon said:
What about the civilians? Just tell them to hope the police get there in time I guess.

I am sure that there are many police officers that would be more than happy to stop a crime in progress but the sad reality is that for the most part they are there to pick up the pieces afterwards.
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Well what does usually stop an active shooter? It seems to me that police are the most likely.
 
Stanyon

Stanyon

WWMRD?
PureX said:
The problem for the U.S., though, is that there are already a trillion guns out there, and no one really knows where they all are. So it really is a bit like the "old west" in some places and instances.

The solution for us, now, cannot possibly be a ban on guns as there are just too many of them, it'll have to be a long-term institution of real and effective ownership and use licensing and regulation, with real and effective 'teeth' to bite down hard on those who will inevitably try to ignore the laws.
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You may want to read the BATF manual on existing laws.
 
shmogie

shmogie

Well-Known Member
julianalexander745 said:
This thread is a derivative from that thread about that stabbing in Europe.



There was also a post by a staff member that stated there was no meaningful difference between reliance on firearms in war and in presumably any other context in which person on person violence occurs.

Fair enough. And it prompted me to recall the Lindt Seige in Sydney, Australia back in 2014 when the police took just under 24 hours only to end up killing two innocent people along with the perpetrator in a complete and utter mess that the NSW police still were never adequately held accountable for.

When it comes to law enforcement, should the prevalence of police carrying firearms be curtailed in 1st world countries?

I think it should - this isn't 1865 Old West. Watching cops march through shopping centers with their glocks hanging off their waists gives me the ****s sometimes.
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You would have no law enforcement in the US if this were the case. Only blathering idiots would try and do the job unarmed.

In a less violent age, as a LEO, I was almost shot twice, in a middle to upper class city.

Those men and women who must enforce the law in seething neighborhoods controlled by gangs, and gang warfare, need their sidearms, need their shotguns, and need their M-16's.

Tell you what, don't go to a shopping center if it rattles you that much. Or, much better, go on a ride along with a cop, and see first hand how foolish your idea is.
 
Cooky

Cooky

Veteran Member
julianalexander745 said:
That was AWESOME!
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Brennan received the death penalty for that, and rightfully so. Just after apologizing to the then 22 yr. old officers parents, wife and young children.

I thought it was very sad and chilling, considering the perp was only pulled over for speeding... What a monster.
 
julianalexander745

julianalexander745

Active Member
Landon Caeli said:
Brennan received the death penalty for that, and rightfully so. Just after apologizing to the then 22 yr. old officers parents, wife and young children.

I thought it was very sad and chilling, considering the perp was only pulled over for speeding... What a monster.
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Busy now... I'll return to this and explain my response to it.
 
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