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The biogeographic evidence for evolution

gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
BilliardsBall said:
Sorry, but I reserve the right to attack heinous "scientific theories" like Social Darwinism!
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And I have been telling you that Social Darwinism is a social and political philosophy, not science.

Just because people use the same phrase “survival of the fittest” in both Natural Selection and Social Darwinism, the biological context is completely different to that being used in Social Darwinism.

Evolution don’t mean being the strongest or the smartest, and killing people due to different race.

Nothing in Natural Selection mentioning races or racism. Nothing in Natural Selection support genocide of Jews. And nothing in Natural Selection support Hitler, Mao or Stalin.

I am not an atheist, but you have been attacking atheists because you have make gross generalizations atheism equals to Social Darwinism, therefore all atheists are Social Darwinists, an all Social Darwinists support Hitler and the Holocaust. If all atheists are Social Darwinists, then all atheists support Hitler.

Not only that, you think all atheists are all evolutionists, evolutionists are all social Darwinists, and therefore all atheists

All this is you making gross generalizations, and using false equivalence to support all your false accusations.

No atheists here, at RF, have supported Hitler and the Holocaust. No one here (at RF) who accepted evolutionary biology, whether they be Christians or non-Christians, as accepted fact, supported Hitler and the Holocaust.

You falsely accuse @tas8831 of defending Hitler and defending Social Darwinism, when tas8831 tried to explain to you of your mistakes (eg, your error in thinking Natural Selection equals to Social Darwinism) and you using false equivalence in your argument with:

BilliardsBall said:
I appreciate the intensity and depth of your epexegetical orgasm above, but you seem hell-bent (pun not intended) on defending Hitler. Why?
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gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
SkepticThinker said:
He appears to be trying to point out to you that anti-Semitism predates "social darwinism" by many centuries.
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If he was really a Jew, BilliardsBall would know and understand that Christians have a long history in Western Europe, have committed all sorts of persecutions of Jews, since the High and Late Middle Ages, in France, Spain, England, Italian city-states and the Holy Roman Empire (Germany and Austria).

During the High Middle Ages, the crusades didn’t just attack the Saracens, but forced converted or mass murdered Jews. For instance, in France during the Second Crusade, Jews were repeatedly massacre in French cities.

In Spain, once 15th century Ferdinand remove the Moors from power, he forced converted tens of thousands of Jews.

And many Jews were killed during the Black Death, not because of the plague itself, but because Christians falsely blamed Jews for bringing plagues.

Jews were constantly used as scapegoats for almost every woes, therefore often persecuted by Christians in Christian kingdoms during the Middle Ages.

For BilliardsBall to keep ignoring this part of medieval European history, only demonstrated he isn’t a Jew.
 
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BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

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SkepticThinker said:
It's not okay for you to do a "bad" thing, just because somebody else is doing a "bad" thing. If you don't like it, then say so.

Why are you trying to brand people as Hitler/Nazi supporters?
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Huh? Hitler was a Social Darwinist. I do not know ANY Social Darwinists here at RF.
 
tas8831

tas8831

Well-Known Member
BilliardsBall said:
Sorry, but I reserve the right to attack heinous "scientific theories" like Social Darwinism!
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Pity that you do not reserve the right to understand that Social Darwinism is NOT a "scientific theory."

Then, logical fallacies (like strawmanning, question begging, well poisoning, etc.) are about all you seem capable of producing, so....
 
tas8831

tas8831

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BilliardsBall said:
Other than objecting to your straw man argument by quoting Hitler
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How is a quote a strawman argument?

I should point out, after all, that you seem to have been relying on quotes for some time.
... the quotes I posted showing Hitler ADORED Darwinian evolution as was OBVIOUSLY a Social Darwinist?
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The strawman well-poisoning quotes you think somehow damages the ToE?
 
tas8831

tas8831

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BilliardsBall said:
The Nazis denied the scientific theory of evolution?!

Robertson opened his pamphlet of excerpts from Mein Kampf with a section on “The Iron Law of Nature: Selection.” He began this section with the commentary:

The racial thought of Herr Hitler begins with a popularized conception of Darwin’s evolutionary hypotheses, which are turned to surprising uses.

Mein Kampf:

The pre-requisite for improvement of the species lies not in the union of the superior and the inferior, but in the complete victory of the former. The stronger must dominate and not mix with the weaker, and thereby sacrifice its own greatness. Only the born weakling can feel this to be cruel. He is indeed but a weak and limited creature. If this law did not prevail, any higher evolution of all organic life would be unthinkable. (p. 8)

Because everyone who believes in the higher evolution of living organisms must admit that every manifestation of the vital urge and struggle to live must have had a definite beginning in time and that one subject alone must have manifested it for the first time. (p. 249)

But little as Nature wishes a mating of weaker with stronger individuals, still less does she want the fusion of a higher with a lower race, since otherwise the whole labor of selective evolution, perhaps through thousands of years, would be set at naught. (p. 279)

Always struggle is a means to improve the health and stamina of the species, and thus a cause of its evolution.
By any other process all development and evolution would cease, and the very reverse would take place. (p. 278)

The stronger must rule; it must not unite with the weaker, thus sacrificing its own stature. Only the born weakling can think this cruel, and that is why he is a weak and defective man; for if this law did not hold, any conceivable evolution of organic living things would be unthinkable. (p. 278)
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More Weikart BS.
Was he at your special conference on attacking evolution via well poisoning and nonsense to prop up right-wing theology?


And you marvel that Christians find atheists in denial of many concepts?!
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Yes - like the concept that attacking 'Social Darwinism' does not support the 'Darwin = Hitler' sleazy lie (especially when one denies that antisemitism has a long history in Christian religionism) and does is not a sane, rational, or sensible argument against the ToE.
 
BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
SkepticThinker said:
"I appreciate the intensity and depth of your epexegetical orgasm above, but you seem hell-bent (pun not intended) on defending Hitler. Why?"

You typed that to a poster.
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Because they were defending Hitler as some kind of man who misunderstood science! Hitler used DARWINIAN EVOLUTION.
 
BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
tas8831 said:
Pity that you do not reserve the right to understand that Social Darwinism is NOT a "scientific theory."

Then, logical fallacies (like strawmanning, question begging, well poisoning, etc.) are about all you seem capable of producing, so....
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Social Darwinism is NOT a scientific theory. It is a sociology construct derived from a scientific theory.
 
BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
tas8831 said:
More Weikart BS.
Was he at your special conference on attacking evolution via well poisoning and nonsense to prop up right-wing theology?





Yes - like the concept that attacking 'Social Darwinism' does not support the 'Darwin = Hitler' sleazy lie (especially when one denies that antisemitism has a long history in Christian religionism) and does is not a sane, rational, or sensible argument against the ToE.
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Your early onset senility has caused you to forget I was at an English conference, I've sent you the link before. Grow up, 007!
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
SkepticThinker said:
Pointing out that Hitler distorted science is in no way defending Hitler, on any level at all.

And no, he didn't "use Darwinian Evolution." I can't even believe you're still saying that, at this point in the discussion.
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You know the saying:

You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t force it to drink.​

The same can be said about BilliardsBall and other creationists. You can correct their mistakes, you can clarify and explain, but you can’t really force them to learn from their mistakes.

They are clearly incapable of learning, partly because their religions and false belief have been indoctrinated into them, but also partly out of ego.
 
BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
SkepticThinker said:
Pointing out that Hitler distorted science is in no way defending Hitler, on any level at all.

And no, he didn't "use Darwinian Evolution." I can't even believe you're still saying that, at this point in the discussion.
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The quotes I gave from Mein Kampf show conclusively he was citing Darwinian Evolution and not mere Social Darwinism.
 
tas8831

tas8831

Well-Known Member
BilliardsBall said:
Your early onset senility has caused you to forget I was at an English conference, I've sent you the link before. Grow up, 007!
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Tell us more about how Stalin and Hitler were "Darwinists" and how Weikart the right wing hack is a great scholar.

Tell us more about how the brain tells the appendix to release 'good' bacteria.

And tell us how a person going to an English conference has such a hard time understanding the things people write.

But thanks for your projective attempt at an insult.
 
tas8831

tas8831

Well-Known Member
BilliardsBall said:
The quotes I gave from Mein Kampf show conclusively he was citing Darwinian Evolution and not mere Social Darwinism.
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You have also been shown quotes from Mein Kampf and other speeches/writing showing clearly that he was a Christian who was "doing the Lord's work."

So weird how you keep ignoring/dismissing that fact.

Best you can muster between sermons, I guess.
 
tas8831

tas8831

Well-Known Member
BilliardsBall said:
Huh? Hitler was a Social Darwinist.
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He was Christian, as his many statements in various sources show.

I get that Weikart doesn't want his audience to know that, but he is just a hack as far as I can tell.

I do not know ANY Social Darwinists here at RF.
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I do - well, they won't call themselves that.

One need only read the political forums to see how many good bible lovers advocate for the death of those they deem 'lesser' folk, like Muslims and the like.
 
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