Looking for a debate with creationists (I am an atheist)

Bear Wild · Nov 4, 2019

PruePhillip said:
The oceans came from beneath the earth, and above through the process
of ice bombardment (same as the Sth Pole of the moon.)
The oceans weren't so much a product of subduction as in helping to create
it in the first place.
Arguments about God don't fall under falsifiability rules. If God exists outside
of the universe (as He must as He created it) then "proving" Him is problematic.
What we can do is look at the claims made by God (ie biblical history, prophecy
etc..) to see if these things happened or not.
The OP might want to just debate Adam and Eve, if so he's just picking his/her
battles carefully.

There you have it. If god exists. No evidence. Biblical history is created by humans as well as prophecies. No god needed.

PruePhillip · Nov 4, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
No, that is a largely discarded hypothesis. Isotopic analysis shows that the oceans did not come from comets.

And thanks for admitting that there are no God theories.

The ratio of earth water to cometary water is not known
with any precision. The ratio see saws a lot in literature.
Not that this has any impact on the topic - Genesis just
says there was water, a lot of it. The global ocean depth
could have been 3 or 4 km deep.

We Never Know · Nov 4, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
No, that is a largely discarded hypothesis. Isotopic analysis shows that the oceans did not come from comets.

And thanks for admitting that there are no God theories.

Are you supporting the waters from the deep as the bible speaks of?

A new study suggests that Earth supplied its own water, leaching it from the rocks that formed the planet.
If that's your argument, don't forget there is an massive reservoir of water in the Earth’s mantle, in blue-colored mineral called ringwoodite. This reservoir is so vast that it could fill the Earth’s oceans three times over plus even more.

Oops forgot a link

Scientists discover an ocean 400 miles beneath our feet that could fill our oceans three times over - ExtremeTech

Subduction Zone · Nov 4, 2019

PruePhillip said:
The ratio of earth water to cometary water is not known
with any precision. The ratio see saws a lot in literature.
Not that this has any impact on the topic - Genesis just
says there was water, a lot of it. The global ocean depth
could have been 3 or 4 km deep.

What are you talking about? We know the isotopic ratios of the water in comets. We know the isotopic ratios of water on the Earth. Do you need a link?

Subduction Zone · Nov 4, 2019

We Never Know said:
Are you supporting the waters from the deep as the bible speaks of?

A new study suggests that Earth supplied its own water, leaching it from the rocks that formed the planet.
If that's your argument, don't forget there is an massive reservoir of water in the Earth’s mantle, in blue-colored mineral called ringwoodite. This reservoir is so vast that it could fill the Earth’s oceans three times over plus even more.

No, I was arguing for what you just claimed. @PruePhillip has been claiming the contrary.

dad · Nov 4, 2019

Wild Fox said:
No there is a meaningless ramble. So the behaviors of humans represent the manifestation of god. So all those humans hurting and killing each other as well as destroying the ecosphere is the manifestation of your god. Good Grief what a sad god.

Not all humans received Jesus. The wicked will do wickedly till the end. There is not only the Good Spirit affecting men, there are many who prefer to be inhabited by evil spirits. Then there are simply the wicked folks, doing wickedly who have either rejected God or not met Him yet.

Subduction Zone · Nov 4, 2019

dad said:
Not all humans received Jesus. The wicked will do wickedly till the end. There is not only the Good Spirit affecting men, there are many who prefer to be inhabited by evil spirits. Then there are simply the wicked folks, doing wickedly who have either rejected God or not met Him yet.

Sounds like you are describing yourself there.

SA Huguenot · Nov 5, 2019

Sean1843 said:
Creationists, give me your best evidence for creationism, and i'll try to refute it, and vice versa

Oh, nice.
Well open a thread where you and I can see what we come up with.
But what do you want as the end result of such a "Debate"?

SA Huguenot · Nov 5, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
No, you really really do not. You do not even understand the basics of science, how can you understand the reality that you deny?

And like most creationists, you do not respect the Ninth Commandment.

Here is an offer, let's go over the concept of scientific evidence and the scientific method. Then you will not be so likely to risk your soul.

Yeah!
Lets go over this also!

SA Huguenot · Nov 5, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
No, you are conflating modern continents with areas above the ocean. The early Earth would have been rather dry. At least compared to now. Water was locked up largely inside the Earth. The continents were a product of subduction, and the oceans were too. When the circulation that drove divergence and subduction began that was also when the water for the Earth's oceans would have come out of the interior of the Earth.

Gee wizz, sounds like the Biblical description to me.

SA Huguenot · Nov 5, 2019

Wild Fox said:
No there is a meaningless ramble. So the behaviors of humans represent the manifestation of god. So all those humans hurting and killing each other as well as destroying the ecosphere is the manifestation of your god. Good Grief what a sad god.

Wow, blaming God for your bad behaviour?

SA Huguenot · Nov 5, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
No, that is a largely discarded hypothesis. Isotopic analysis shows that the oceans did not come from comets.

And thanks for admitting that there are no God theories.

yes, It came from accretion of a nebular cloud where the earth shaped in an area where water was abundand.
Silver isotopes and Zircon crystals proved that the Earth was wet when it shaped.
And this sounds so much like Genesis 1 too!
Thanks for bringing the argument into the Creationist field again.

SA Huguenot · Nov 5, 2019

Wild Fox said:
There you have it. If god exists. No evidence. Biblical history is created by humans as well as prophecies. No god needed.

Then again, what if the description of this God on how He created the Earth is in agreement to what science discovered over the last 50 years?
it would certainly be something to reconsider.
Just think, Genesis 1 written 3500 years ago, with manuscripts dating to 2165 years ago telling us about the nebular theory, gravity, time, light, origions of the oceans, etc.
I think one can at least take such a discription into consideration.
Dont you think?

PruePhillip · Nov 5, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
What are you talking about? We know the isotopic ratios of the water in comets. We know the isotopic ratios of water on the Earth. Do you need a link?

It's not relevant to this debate but some research suggests we might
have the isotope ratio for comets a tad wrong.

SA Huguenot · Nov 5, 2019

PruePhillip said:
The ratio of earth water to cometary water is not known
with any precision. The ratio see saws a lot in literature.
Not that this has any impact on the topic - Genesis just
says there was water, a lot of it. The global ocean depth
could have been 3 or 4 km deep.

or the oceans and mountains were much more shallow than what we see now.
This will account for water able to cover the Earth with a flood, and as water originating from the inside of the earth.
With subduction and upheavels witht eh earths crust falling into itself, the mountains and seafloors became deeper resulting in what we have today.

PruePhillip · Nov 5, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
No, that is a largely discarded hypothesis. Isotopic analysis shows that the oceans did not come from comets.

And thanks for admitting that there are no God theories.

If we are discussing "God theories" and concerned about the God
of the bible then what can be done is to evaluate the historic and
prophetic claims. If these are proven to not stand up to scrutiny
then the God of Judaeo Christianity is not true.

PruePhillip · Nov 5, 2019

SA Huguenot said:
or the oceans and mountains were much more shallow than what we see now.
This will account for water able to cover the Earth with a flood, and as water originating from the inside of the earth.
With subduction and upheavels witht eh earths crust falling into itself, the mountains and seafloors became deeper resulting in what we have today.

The continents are composed of a light material called granite.
Granite is not found on any other planet. It is created by the
process of water, heat, pressure and subduction.

exchemist · Nov 5, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
No, that is a largely discarded hypothesis. Isotopic analysis shows that the oceans did not come from comets.

And thanks for admitting that there are no God theories.

I am not au fait with this. Can you simply describe the isotopic evidence for where the water originated, or point me to a source where I can read about it?

PruePhillip · Nov 5, 2019

exchemist said:
I am not au fait with this. Can you simply describe the isotopic evidence for where the water originated, or point me to a source where I can read about it?

I think the ratio is given in Wiki is 10% cometary and the rest indigenous.
Some articles suggest the cometary is higher.
Hydrogen to Deuterium isotopic ratio, BTW.

PruePhillip · Nov 5, 2019

columbus said:
What do you think you're going to accomplish with this post?
Tom

I think this person, like many other, wish to lay to rest the troubling doubts
about their own existence.

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