Impeachment definition

Riders · Oct 7, 2019

We have been saying on this forums thatDemocrats can't impeach the president without the Republicans voting for it.

I just heard on CBS a lawyer talking about impeachment.He says Democrats can impeach and probably will.But only the Republicans can have him removed from office.

Riders · Oct 7, 2019

So if any of y'all can give a definition on that I would appreciate it thanks

Callisto · Oct 7, 2019

In short, impeachment is a two-phase process. Per the U.S. Constitution (Article 1, Section 2), the House of Representatives has sole power to impeach a president, the Senate is not needed to do so. However, the Senate (per Article 1, Section 3) has the sole power to try (a trial) a president who has been impeached.

Trump will most likely be impeached by the House. Moscow Mitch has acknowledged that a trial would then be held by the Senate. It will take a two-thirds vote in the Senate for the trial to result in a conviction. But that would require the Republicans to start upholding their oaths of office and put country before party and stop being Trump's toadies.

See: U.S. Senate: Impeachment

Riders · Oct 7, 2019

Callisto said:
In short, impeachment is a two-phase process. Per the U.S. Constitution (Article 1, Section 2), the House of Representatives has sole power to impeach a president, the Senate is not needed to do so. However, the Senate (per Article 1, Section 3) has the sole power to try (a trial) a president who has been impeached.

Trump will most likely be impeached by the House. Moscow Mitch has acknowledged that a trial would then be held by the Senate. It will take a two-thirds vote in the Senate for the trial to result in a conviction. But that would require the Republicans to start upholding their oaths of office and put country before party and stop being Trump's toadies.

See: U.S. Senate: Impeachment

Ok so if he and when he gets impeached can he run again next term?

There is now a thing saying there may not be time to impeach before next election.So if he runs again and wins the impeachment won't matter.

On the other hand it might.Republicans keep saying Clinton stayed on till the end of his term.

But I remember it different.I remember the Vice President officially took the president's place but Clinton stayed on and worked even though the Vice was officially in charge.So correct me here if I'm wrong if the President chooses to stay and work the Vice President still responsible for the president's duties is that correct?

Shaul · Oct 7, 2019

When I saw the thread title I expected to open it and see a picture of Bill Clinton.

Ouroboros · Oct 7, 2019

Riders said:
We have been saying on this forums thatDemocrats can't impeach the president without the Republicans voting for it.

I just heard on CBS a lawyer talking about impeachment.He says Democrats can impeach and probably will.But only the Republicans can have him removed from office.

The House does the impeachment inquiry and decide on impeachment, and Dem's are in majority in the House. They need a majority vote to impeach.

If they impeach, the Senate, which have Rep's majority, will decide what actions will be taken from the ruling. The Senate decides if Trump is kicked out or not.

Also, neither one can try him as a court would do. Even if he committed any actual crime, the crime would have to go to a real court for trial, after his presidency is over.

Ouroboros · Oct 7, 2019

Riders said:
Ok so if he and when he gets impeached can he run again next term?

I don't think so, but I'm not quite sure.

There is now a thing saying there may not be time to impeach before next election.So if he runs again and wins the impeachment won't matter.

Yeah. That's something that I have thought about too.

On the other hand it might.Republicans keep saying Clinton stayed on till the end of his term.

But I remember it different.I remember the Vice President officially took the president's place but Clinton stayed on and worked even though the Vice was officially in charge.So correct me here if I'm wrong if the President chooses to stay and work the Vice President still responsible for the president's duties is that correct?

I think it depends on the conviction by the Senate, and as you said, there might not be time enough, or they might intentionally stall.

Jayhawker Soule · Oct 7, 2019

Shaul said:
When I saw the thread title I expected to open it and see a picture of Bill Clinton.

(Probably not the first time your expectations led you astray.)

Callisto · Oct 7, 2019

Riders said:
Ok so if he and when he gets impeached can he run again next term?

There is now a thing saying there may not be time to impeach before next election.So if he runs again and wins the impeachment won't matter.

On the other hand it might.Republicans keep saying Clinton stayed on till the end of his term.

But I remember it different.I remember the Vice President officially took the president's place but Clinton stayed on and worked even though the Vice was officially in charge.So correct me here if I'm wrong if the President chooses to stay and work the Vice President still responsible for the president's duties is that correct?

Being impeached by the House does not automatically remove a president. The Senate holds a trial and decides to convict or not convict. If convicted, the Senate then decides on two key issues: a) whether to remove from office and b) whether to disqualify him from running again. If this occurred during a 2nd term, disqualification wouldn't matter because a person can only serve a max of 2 consecutive terms, thus would already be ineligible to run again, anyway.

The Senate's ruling can go different ways: not guilty, guilty but allowed to finish out the term, guilty and removed from office. THEN separately decide whether to allow OR disqualify him from running for a second term.

Nixon is a much closer comparison than Clinton. Nixon was actually in a much better position than Trump when he was facing impeachment. Though unlike Trump he'd won the election by a landslide and most people were not in favor of impeachment (only 1 in 5 Americans was in favor of impeaching Nixon, 55% of Americans favor impeaching Trump). Then as is the case now, the GOP was willing to protect Nixon to the bitter end ... until the heat proved too hot, public opinion shifted and they realized they had to cut him loose.

So, it's too early to know. It aint over till it's over, however that plays out.

Riders · Oct 7, 2019

Well in the end if Republicans don't have him removed or allow him to run again I would hope the impeachment would disuade folks from voting for him.

I think the best scenario would be for Republicans to choose a different candidate for President.

I surely would be happy this point with anyone except Trump.

columbus · Oct 7, 2019

Riders said:
Well in the end if Republicans don't have him removed or allow him to run again I would hope the impeachment would disuade folks from voting for him.

Since Trump's shady business practices and hiring an international criminal to run his campaign didn't, I doubt that impeachment will either.

Riders said:
I think the best scenario would be for Republicans to choose a different candidate for President.

My current favorite is Mitt Romney.
I think he's more centrist, focused on the good of the USA, and has far more integrity and experience, than any of the other options.
At least the ones I am familiar with.
Tom

BSM1 · Oct 7, 2019

Riders said:
Well in the end if Republicans don't have him removed or allow him to run again I would hope the impeachment would disuade folks from voting for him.

I think the best scenario would be for Republicans to choose a different candidate for President.

I surely would be happy this point with anyone except Trump.

The "Republicans" didn't choose him in the first place, it was the people. You obviously still don't get it...sorry.

Callisto · Oct 7, 2019

Riders said:
Well in the end if Republicans don't have him removed or allow him to run again I would hope the impeachment would disuade folks from voting for him.

I think the best scenario would be for Republicans to choose a different candidate for President.

I surely would be happy this point with anyone except Trump.

Well, if the GOP was such an utter right wing dumpster fire, they could have a far more worthy candidate in Bill Weld. He would actually stand a chance of reigniting some ember of bipartisanship, possibly siphoning some moderate Democrats as well who aren't entirely comfortable with their party's more progressive candidates but would vote for them anyway if the only other choice was the Orange clown. Unfortunately, the GOP has moved too far to the right to consider a sane candidate.

We Never Know · Oct 7, 2019

Riders said:
We have been saying on this forums thatDemocrats can't impeach the president without the Republicans voting for it.

I just heard on CBS a lawyer talking about impeachment.He says Democrats can impeach and probably will.But only the Republicans can have him removed from office.

The term "impeachment" is commonly used to mean removing someone from office, but it actually refers to the filing of formal charges.
The House impeaches. The Senate then holds a trial on those charges to decide whether the officer — a president or any other federal official — should be removed and barred from holding federal office in the future.

The Dem House has started impeachment, but IMO the Rep Senate won't put Trump out of office.

Ouroboros · Oct 7, 2019

Riders said:
Well in the end if Republicans don't have him removed or allow him to run again I would hope the impeachment would disuade folks from voting for him.

Doubt it. He'll be viewed as a victim and martyr. The way I see things are going (and the reason why I'm not a huge fan of the impeachment) is that there will be an impeachment, Senate will not convict or remove the prez, he will run again, and win. Then he'll go on a scorched earth mission to get rid of his opponents and write a million executive orders to stop any further investigation. He will only buckle down more than ever before. And GOP becomes nothing but a puppet to his will (which they're pretty much are already).

I think the best scenario would be for Republicans to choose a different candidate for President.

They fear him and love him. He's Messiah. He's the 2nd coming of Christ. He's Jesus resurrected. No chance they'll pick someone else.

I surely would be happy this point with anyone except Trump.

In a way, I rather have a stupid evil person than a smart evil person. And, with the economy slowing down and a recession on the horizon, if he stays, he gets the blame, but if he's replaced, the next president will be blamed for the poor economy.

ecco · Oct 7, 2019

Callisto said:
Nixon is a much closer comparison than Clinton. Nixon was actually in a much better position than Trump when he was facing impeachment. Though unlike Trump he'd won the election by a landslide and most people were not in favor of impeachment (only 1 in 5 Americans was in favor of impeaching Nixon, 55% of Americans favor impeaching Trump). Then as is the case now, the GOP was willing to protect Nixon to the bitter end ... until the heat proved too hot, public opinion shifted and they realized they had to cut him loose.

That's a good analogy to Trump's current position.

Shadow Wolf · Oct 7, 2019

Shaul said:
When I saw the thread title I expected to open it and see a picture of Bill Clinton.

I dont know how so many people who lived through that have forgotten Bill was impeached and forgotten what impeachment is.

tytlyf · Oct 7, 2019

I just heard Rush on the radio lie to his audience.

He said "There is no impeachment inquiry right now, there isn't one because there hasn't been a vote!"

Gotta love these disinformation carnival barkers. This is what's wrong with the country.

averageJOE · Oct 7, 2019

The likely scenario's:
1. The Inquiry concludes no impeachment.
2. Impeachment vote fails in the House.
3. Senate does not get two-thirds vote to remove Trump.
In any of these three scenarios, Trump will end up looking more indestructible to his base. The Democrats end up looking weak and untrustworthy, due to what is brought forward during the hearing. Trump is re-elected. (I personally think it will fail in the House.)

What WON'T happen:
4. Senate votes to remove Trump.

tytlyf · Oct 7, 2019

averageJOE said:
The likely scenario's:
1. The Inquiry concludes no impeachment.
2. Impeachment vote fails in the House.
3. Senate does not get two-thirds vote to remove Trump.

1. Highly doubtful
2. Highly doubtful
3. Possible, depends on evidence.

In any of these three scenarios, Trump will end up looking more indestructible to his base. The Democrats end up looking weak and untrustworthy, due to what is brought forward during the hearing. Trump is re-elected. (I personally think it will fail in the House.)

That depends on the evidence after the inquiry. I say hold the vote after the inquiry to decide on articles of impeachment. He'll get impeached.

What WON'T happen:
4. Senate votes to remove Trump.

That depends on the evidence. There's already democrats and republicans in the senate willing to impeach.

At the end of the day it's about the constitutional process and law. If the evidence is overwhelming and republicans vote "no" on impeachment, the American public will hold them accountable. Of course the die hard RW media people will still have 20% of the information out there and probably continue supporting these republicans. Republicans have a lot more to lose in this.

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