Not really. I enjoy audio books.
If Ukraine was "draining the swap in D.C." then I suspect much of his campaign speeches went misunderstood.
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Impeachment
- Thread starter Prometheus85
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Never know they could have some pretty convincing evidence. Stay tuned to find out!
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
It is time to throw Rudy under the bus. Heck, no need to throw, he jumps there himself.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
The Democrats are getting very desparate. Their 2020 candidates are boring andAG Barr is about to lower the hammer on the criminal gang called the swamp. Impeachment is a Hail Mary Pass, that hopes to lower Trump's polling numbers, so the Democrats can win the presidency and thereby make their crimes go away. This tactic will back fire, but the Democrsts are running out of options and time.
Jollybear
Hey
"While there have been demands for the impeachment of most presidents, only two—Andrew Johnson and William J. Clinton—have actually been impeached, and both were acquitted by the United States Senate and not removed from office.
Wikipedia › wiki › Impeachment_in...
Impeachment investigations of United States federal officials ...
So, most have had demands. Even your favorite Obama had demands of impeachment upon him.
No big deal. Fact remains, trump IS running for re election.
Dont tell me what i did or did not BROTHERED to read.
Yes, i read it, these are "mights" and speculations and charges. No big deal. Convictions are all that count.
Remember, we live in a REPUBLIC. Incase you dont know, thats a WONDERFUL THING. Why? Because it means we rule by LAW. Anyone can charge you, point the finger, but in a REPUBLIC, you must be tried and a jury must decide based on evidence, not based on a vote if they love or hate you.
Mayby you dont like living in a republic, hmm, seams like most pathetic democrats dont.
I read the full transcript yesterday, and i LISTENED to it on youtube actually a few days ago.
I have a question, show and reference the law that says you are not alowed to ask a foreign leader to investigate a potential crime on a politician?
Also, why is it a crime to ask a foregn leader to investigate a crime on a politician?
Id think its a crime for trump to just BARGE into someone elses country and investigate it himself. Its not his country, so hes got to ask.
And yes, he asked, he did NOT bribe. Thats not in the transcript. The ukrain presedent admitted there was no pressure.
Jollybear
Hey
Do what you posted me
Terry Sampson
Well-Known Member
LOL! So, you haven't figure out yet what the important point was in what I posted. Cool! Lemme see if I can break it down for you...
- The reason why you haven't figured out what the important point was in what I posted is this:
- You have it stuck in your mind that, as you've said: "we rule by LAW. Anyone can charge you, point the finger, but in a REPUBLIC, you must be tried and a jury must decide based on evidence, not based on a vote if they love or hate you."
- In other words, you think Trump has to be convicted of an actual felony before he can be impeached.
- And everything I posted to you says: You're wrong!
- Yes, courts, trials, evidence, and laws are essential features of a society governed by the rule of law.
- What you don't seem to understand is that the President of the United States can be impeached even when he has not been convicted of a crime.
- When a President is impeached ... it's like a two-step process in getting fired. Both steps have to happen before the President is forced to leave the White House, but only the 1st step has to happen to start the process.
- Clinton was impeached ... but his impeachment was only a 1st-step impeachment. The Senate gave him "a pass" so he never got the 2nd-step impeachment. So he was able to stay in the White House until his term ended.
- Again,
- 1st Step: President gets impeached/fired in the House of Representatives, but he doesn't have to leave the White House.
- 2nd Step: President gets impeached/fired in the Senate. That's when he has to leave the White House.
- Now listen up, because if you don't get this, you're just going to be confused about impeachment until Jesus comes.
- The President can get a 2-step impeachment and be forced to leave the White House for breaking a law, BUT he doesn't have to break a law in order to get a 2-step impeachment and be forced to leave the White House.
- If the president breaks a law, it's easier to impeach him and fewer people complain; but breaking a law and going to jail or paying a fine is not a requirement in order for a President to get impeached.
- Question: So, if the President doesn't have to be caught red-handed breaking a law, what can he be impeached for?
- Answer: Damn near any thing the House of Representatives wants. True, he won't have to leave the White House .... But if the Senate confirms the impeachment (which is the 2nd Step), Trump's a goner.
- That's what Gerald R. Ford was saying.
- The President can get a 2-step impeachment and be forced to leave the White House for breaking a law, BUT he doesn't have to break a law in order to get a 2-step impeachment and be forced to leave the White House.
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Shad
Veteran Member
Nope. Impeachment is being used for the 2020 campaign for soundbites. Both sides will use soundbites for/against in 2020. The election will determine if Trump is done or not.
averageJOE
zombie
Except for the fact that it is not a "made up story", it is very real. Biden proudly bragged about it in front of cameras.
(skip to the 1:00 mark)
Yes, then VICE President Biden interfered with a foreign government's election.
Prometheus85
Active Member
There was a ton of pressure from the international community to oust Viktor Shokin. He was a Yanukovych stooge. If Biden was up to shady business why would he brag about it in front of a room full of people at a televised event no less? Are you that thick? You are #FakeNews
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
It is rather amazing that the Trumpettes cannot understand the difference between doing something not just for the U.S. but the whole western world and asking to do something illegal for personal gain.
averageJOE
zombie
Are you literally asking me why Biden would do something so stupid in front of cameras that he clearly did???
Prometheus85
Active Member
Once again you implied impeachment will back fire, I gave you examples of impeachment not backfiring and you give me an article detailing presidents that actually have been impeached. What does that have to do with impeachment backfiring? Also
Is now a bad time to remind you that Barack Obama never had an impeachment inquiry by the House.
And obviously didn’t read the article. If you did you wouldn’t be saying it’s no big deal, because in the article says; It’s worth noting that the House, which has the sole power to impeach a president, can do so without a finding of criminal wrongdoing by the president.
why is it a crime to ask a foregn leader to investigate a crime on a politician?
Federal law makes it illegal to “solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation” from a foreign national. I thought u read the article?
He asked he did not bribe?
Trump asks Zelensky to do him a “favor,” i.e. dig up dirt on his political rival Joe Biden. Trump then suggested that Zelensky take this offline and talk with Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and US Attorney William Barr about it. In the background, Trump had frozen American aid to Ukraine, a strong-arm move that some on the internet pointed out would make Tony Soprano proud. Again I thought you read the article?
Terry Sampson
Well-Known Member
Even ignoring the fact that there's an itty-bitty line just below the video that says that the video you posted was funded in whole or in part by the Russian government,
let's assume for the sake of argument that the accusation is true, okay?
- From at least January 21, 2017, until at least January 19, 2019, Republicans held the majority in the House of Representatives AND the Senate, and the POTUS himself was (and still is) a Republican.
- During that time period, the Republican majorities and POTUS failed to lock up, or even indict, Obama, Biden and/or his son, and/or either Bill or Hillary Clinton. Now that a Democratic majority in the House of Representatives has, since no sooner than January 20, 2019, been bumbling its way toward tarring and feathering the POTUS, some want the Democrat dogs to lay off the POTUS, ... a POTUS by the way, who
- said, at a rally in Sioux Center, Iowa: “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, okay, and I wouldn’t lose any voters, okay? It’s, like, incredible.", and
- whose lawyers have labored to obstruct Democratic efforts at every turn.
- Now, for some odd reason, there are some Trump-supporters who want to give Trump a pass and are calling for an investigation into Biden's "how-many-years-old??" misdeeds that Republicans couldn't/wouldn't/didn't get done when there was a Republican majority in the House and the Senate and the POTUS himself was Republican. Go figure.
- You want Biden locked up? Go for it. But you're gonna have to wait until the Democrats run Trump to ground or drive him stark-raving mad and he actually does shoot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
What Biden did had very little similarity to the illegal acts of Trump. You are forgetting the motive in both cases. Trump was trying to dig up dirt on a political opponent, asking a foreign country to help interfere in an election. Biden removed pressured to remove a corrupt official. That had nothing to do with any opponents of Obama and had nothing to do with any U.S. election.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
So the question about Rudy G. I have is.....if what he says is true, what in the world is a private citizen doing travelling the world, meeting with foreign governments, and representing the US (allegedly on behalf of the Dept. of State)? Was he being paid? If so, who was paying his salary and travel expenses? Was he a volunteer, working for free?
Prometheus85
Active Member
Joe Biden did not brag that he stopped any prosecution. Rather, he bragged that he had successfully pressured the Ukrainian government to fire a prosecutor who was widely criticized for failing to bring corruption prosecutions.
Trump Twists Facts on Biden and Ukraine