Frank Goad
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If God is our God.And Jesus is our savior.Why do we need the Holy Spirit to be our comforter?Can't God And Jesus just do that by themselves?
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Question about the Holy Spirit being our comforter
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leov
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It is communication process, media between Men and God.If God is our God.And Jesus is our savior.Why do we need the Holy Spirit to be our comforter?Can't God And Jesus just do that by themselves?
PoetPhilosopher
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The way I understand Christian theology, sin separated us from God. Apparently, one has to use Christ as a continual mediator to overcome the infinite between God and man. I mean one can argue one doesn't have to talk to Jesus continually, but I'm really not sure how far that will get them.
The thing about the Holy Spirit is, it's another form of the Trinity that apparently guides humans. However, what no one has truly been able to answer is, if the Holy Spirit ceased to exist, but God and Jesus remained, how things would be different.
The thing about the Holy Spirit is, it's another form of the Trinity that apparently guides humans. However, what no one has truly been able to answer is, if the Holy Spirit ceased to exist, but God and Jesus remained, how things would be different.
Well, I don't think I can really go wrong so I'm just going to take a shot.If God is our God.And Jesus is our savior.Why do we need the Holy Spirit to be our comforter?Can't God And Jesus just do that by themselves?
The Holy Ghost helps with the relationship between God and Jesus. God has to be just and Jesus wants to make our case. The Holy Ghost helps us deal with the problem by going between them. Also, why can't a comforter be added to the list?
LightofTruth
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Jesus wasn't a Trinitarian.If God is our God.And Jesus is our savior.Why do we need the Holy Spirit to be our comforter?Can't God And Jesus just do that by themselves?
If God is our God.And Jesus is our savior.Why do we need the Holy Spirit to be our comforter?Can't God And Jesus just do that by themselves?
The holy spirit is the power from God that he has used to accomplish his will from the beginning. Whatever God wants done, he sends his spirit to carry it out. It was God’s spirit that he used in creation.
It empowers God’s servants to overcome trials....gives them wisdom when they pray for it....recalls to their minds what is written in his word....and gives comfort and strength in times of trouble.
It gave God’s servants in ancient times the ability to perform miracles.....even Jesus needed the holy spirit to give him the ability to perform miracles, as we see from his baptism. It is sent where it is needed.
Moses was leading the Israelites after their release from Egyptian slavery and finding it difficult on his own, so it was suggested to him to chose 70 qualified men to assist him in that task. The Bible says that God took the spirit that he has given to Moses and apportioned it among the 70. This shows that God’s spirit is not a person, but God’s power that he uses to accomplish his will. It is given in due measure.
74x12
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There is no difference. There is only one God. The holy Spirit is the presence and anointing of God.If God is our God.And Jesus is our savior.Why do we need the Holy Spirit to be our comforter?Can't God And Jesus just do that by themselves?
LightofTruth
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The spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge.....(Isa 11)If God is our God.And Jesus is our savior.Why do we need the Holy Spirit to be our comforter?Can't God And Jesus just do that by themselves?
The spirit of God is wisdom, knowledge and power. God is the Father alone. In other words, you shall have no other gods before ME! ME is singular person.
Unveiled Artist
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Let me ask from a JW perspective. What is god?
Instead of his characteristics [love, compassion, etc. Not his role, creator etc.] but what exactly is he?
Is he a deity, like a ghost?
I ask because god is spirit [right?] and why/how can spirit send another spirit to interact with humans?
In other words, that "force of life" or that breathe that created things into being, is that the creator? The holy spirit? Is it "breathe/force" personified? What is the necessity of both if they are both spirit?
I understand what you are saying and I agree to a point, but I feel that it is God's spirit that imparts wisdom, knowledge and understanding.
Yes, Yahweh is the Father alone....
The Shema states...
"Hear, O Israel: Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is one." דשְׁמַ֖ע יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ יְהֹוָ֥ה | אֶחָֽד:
Jesus is his "only begotten son" among many sons because he is "firstborn of all creation". (Colossians 1:15-17) The holy spirit is power sent by God to accomplish his purpose. It is not a person.
No human on earth knows "what" God is (apart from Jesus).....we only know "who" he is....the Creator of all things that exist. Do we need to know more...could we comprehend it anyway?
A deity? Yes.....a "ghost"? Since the word "ghost" is taken from the German word "geist" (as in poltergeist) it simple translates as "spirit". There is no such thing as a "ghost". Spirit creatures are obviously not material beings. They exist in spirit form and dwell in a realm that is unseen to human eyes. That is all we know for sure. God's servants of old were given glimpses into the heavenly realm and found it hard to describe in human terms. Spirit beings can cross over into our world, but we cannot cross over into theirs without extreme modification. Mortal bodies are designed to only live within the confines of this earth.
If you understand the meaning of the word "spirit" in the languages of the Bible, it becomes a little clearer.
"The Hebrew word ruʹach and the Greek word pneuʹma, often translated “spirit,” have a number of meanings. All of them refer to that which is invisible to human sight and gives evidence of force in motion. The Hebrew and Greek words are used with reference to (1) wind, (2) the active life-force in earthly creatures, (3) the impelling force that issues from a person’s figurative heart and causes him to say and do things in a certain way, (4) inspired expressions originating from an invisible source, (5) spirit persons, and (6) God’s active force, or holy spirit.—Exodus 35:21; Psalm 104:29; Matthew 12:43; Luke 11:13."
Spirit — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
In the Bible the holy spirit is personified, but then so is wisdom, death, sin, and undeserved kindness. (Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:35; Romans 5:14, 17, 21; 6:12; 7:8-11) It is obvious that none of these things is an actual person. God’s spirit is often mentioned together with other impersonal forces or things, further supporting the fact that it is not a person. (Matthew 3:11; Acts 6:3, 5; 13:52; 2Corinthians 6:4-8; Ephesians 5:18)
The Bible says that "God is a spirit"...i.e. an intangible lifeform. But he possesses power which the Bible also calls his spirit. So this Almighty Spirit Being uses his power to accomplish his purpose. He is an individual who fits no description that humans would understand. He is a Father to many sons, the most well known among them is his "firstborn"....the second highest personage in existence....his Father's 'right hand man'.
Some argue that the use of Greek masculine pronouns when referring to this “helper” shows that holy spirit is a person. (John 14:26) However, Greek grammar requires masculine pronouns when the activity of “the helper” is described, since the word for “helper” is in the masculine gender. (John 16:7, 8, 13, 14) On the other hand, when the neuter Greek word for “spirit” (pneuʹma) is used, neuter pronouns such as "it" are used.
Unveiled Artist
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I had to shift through all the verses you have. It's hard to pick out your points. I don't double check the accuracy of what you are saying since [of course] I'm not christian and really have no need to say you're wrong or refute your belief as others do. On that note...
I don't know. It sounds like you guys are talking about someone you don't know about. Kind of like as if I'm talking about a someone X [human, animal, whatever] and tell you all about it. Then you ask after all the descriptions, -what- exactly are you talking about? and I say, "I don't know. It's hard to comprehend."
Kinda see where I'm coming from?
This goes over my head. Spirit beings? I can't think of another word but ghost in context. It's like an entity of some sort? Can you compare it to something that I can relate to?
I can see that to an extent. I understand the "breathe into existence." The details vary by some religions.
Do you feel the force?
Is it your experiences you can't explain? [the Mystery?]
Yes. The force that you don't know what it is, is god a personification of that -what- no one can comprehend?
That, I don't understand. If he is a being/person-like entity or so have you, I can see how it would have "power". But, since it is not a tangible lifeform, how can it -possess- anything?
Maybe spirit IS power [part of it's nature] rather than possess it [as a noun would]?
That makes sense. A cultural difference.
Though I'm not sure how god is separate from [holy] spirit. Unless it's a being rather than a force, the two seem to overlap.
I don't know. It sounds like you guys are talking about someone you don't know about. Kind of like as if I'm talking about a someone X [human, animal, whatever] and tell you all about it. Then you ask after all the descriptions, -what- exactly are you talking about? and I say, "I don't know. It's hard to comprehend."
Kinda see where I'm coming from?
This goes over my head. Spirit beings? I can't think of another word but ghost in context. It's like an entity of some sort? Can you compare it to something that I can relate to?
I can see that to an extent. I understand the "breathe into existence." The details vary by some religions.
Do you feel the force?
Is it your experiences you can't explain? [the Mystery?]
Yes. The force that you don't know what it is, is god a personification of that -what- no one can comprehend?
That, I don't understand. If he is a being/person-like entity or so have you, I can see how it would have "power". But, since it is not a tangible lifeform, how can it -possess- anything?
Maybe spirit IS power [part of it's nature] rather than possess it [as a noun would]?
That makes sense. A cultural difference.
Though I'm not sure how god is separate from [holy] spirit. Unless it's a being rather than a force, the two seem to overlap.
I find God places or gives His holy spirit to whom He wishes for a purposeful need such as found at Numbers 11:17, 25.If God is our God.And Jesus is our savior.Why do we need the Holy Spirit to be our comforter?Can't God And Jesus just do that by themselves?
We need God's holy spirit to be 'poured out' to help make His Word (Scripture) known to us - Proverbs 1:23
God uses His spirit when He created according to Psalms 104:30,5.
So, it seems without God's holy spirit we would Not be here, and we need to be here to receive comfort.
In the English language spirit has more than one meaning.
Pre-human Jesus was a spirit creation, and we are physical creation.
Not a ghost (apparition) but God is a person as per Hebrews 9:24 when resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus appeared before the 'person' of God.
Unlike God and Jesus being persons, God's spirit is impersonal like the power from a power-plant grid supplying energy when and where needed.- Nehemiah 9:20
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I read this three or four times. What do you mean by person if not human?
What is god as a person that he is not a spirit?
LightofTruth
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There are no immaterial spirits!
Man was created in the image of God. God is in heaven. He has a location, His back was seen by Moses, but not His face. His spirit emanates from His person and can be put on others.
Sectarian churches follow after the philosophers, not Scripture.
wellwisher
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If God is our God.And Jesus is our savior.Why do we need the Holy Spirit to be our comforter?Can't God And Jesus just do that by themselves?
God and Jesus deal with the bigger picture, while the Holy Spirit deals more with the day to day and moment to moment. For example, forgiveness of sins is a general long term procedure, that applies after we mess up. The Holy Spirit by being more day to day and moment to moment provides proactive awareness and insight. This provides real time comfort.
Unveiled Artist
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LightofTruth
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God is a spirit and also has a spirit. His spirit emanates from Himself, His person.
Being a spirit does not mean he is immaterial. He is not.
Unveiled Artist
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What does that mean?
How does a spirit have a spirit that come from it but isn't immaterial?
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