Whoever banned God? Aren't religious students free to pray whenever they want?
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TX Lt. Gov. Blames El Paso Shooting on Not Letting Kids “Pray in Our Schools”
- Thread starter Skwim
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And how would you do that, without a police state?
Perhaps the problem is too much Bible learn'n.
Many children learn of the fire & brimstone God.
Instilling such a sense of fear & retribution can
make one violent & intolerant.
It would be interesting to discover the religious
beliefs of the various shooters.
Many children learn of the fire & brimstone God.
Instilling such a sense of fear & retribution can
make one violent & intolerant.
It would be interesting to discover the religious
beliefs of the various shooters.
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Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Guns also had a purpose: hunting and varmint control. They also didn't have automatics and an overblown sense of military masculinity in those days.
Plus, I think since straight white men were pretty secure in their roles as patriarchal kings they felt no need to lash out.
I think that's it right there, with emphasis on homogeneity... white Christian homogeneity If the US was a WASP nation, heavy emphasis on the W and P, it would be their utopia. We can't have the great US of A, which was founded and built on Christian values and principles, blessed and guided by God, being overrun by Hispanics, Jews, Hindooos, Muslims, blacks, LBGT+ and all manner of Godless people. So sayeth the true and devout Christians doing God's bidding.
How about teaching morality at home and not leaving it to, then blaming the schools? School is not church, or mosque, synagogue or temple. Why should the lone Indian Hindu child have the choices:
- To pray "... through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ..." or
- Remain silent and be made to feel even more of a minority in a classroom his or her parents pay taxes to support. Possibly even harassed and bullied for praying to "false gods" or not praying to "the one true God"?
They want school-sanctioned and teacher-led classroom prayer. In the same way the class recites the Pledge of Allegiance out loud, they would pray.
Neverminding that the people who are mourning are the ones getting the most politically active, it's getting to be where you can't finish a sentence between shootings. So if we were to have to 'wait until it's appropriate' no talk will ever get done. (Which is, of course, the real motive behind the call for waiting.)
Skwim
Veteran Member
Could there be anything more asinine than blaming the shooting on
"Not Letting Kids “Pray in Our Schools”
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Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
This is a big problem and we need to get rid of it come 2020.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
When that was going on we had these:
Let those images burn into your brain and sink in. Your god has never did a damn thing about the violence on Earth. Turning to him made things worse. Turning away from him has objectively made things better and less violent.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
The worst insensitivity it to keep offering up useless and worthless prayers that will accomplish and achieve nothing. It's time prayers were shoved aside, discarded, and replaced with real action.
I'm not sure that turning to Him made things worse... Things are worse all by themselves thanks to man. If the current sex-trade is "better and less violent" along with the wars, I guess we have different standards.
But, in that the earth is man's, God IS limited at this time in what He can do. It's called the free-will that man has. Gods of sorts.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Sex slavery, and slavery in general, is permitted by your god. We abolished. People turn to god and find ways to justify violence and wars. Religious people often say people just need to pray or turn to their god or religion to make things better, but it never works out like that. And don't forget, those days of "when America was great," when most people went to church, the proper thing to do with a disabled child was to lock them in a room or closet, to put them away to spare shame upon a family whenever there were visitors. That was going on while we had prayer in public schools. We also thought Hitler was a wonderful guy and that forced eugenics was a great thing. And while America prayed to god and put up a religious wall of division with the pledge, the godless Russians ceased performing labatomies.
Not as I studied it. And the "we abolished" it was a majority of Christians who studied it like me.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Not very well then.
If a man smite his servant or his maid....he shall not be punished: for he is his money (or property, depending on translation) (Exodus 21:20-21)
Fathers could sell their daughters into slavery (Exodus 21:7)
Non-Hebrews, including their children, could be acquired and treated as we in modern times think of slavery (Leviticus 25:44-45)
War time captives, women not old enough to "know a man" and sometimes children (though they were sometimes killed off with the men) were enslaved (it appears throughout the OT).
America was going to abolish it from the start, but the Southern Christian states threw a fit and wouldn't have it because they said it was their god given right to own slaves, and they cited the same verses I just did along with many more to support the pro-slavery stance of the Bible (and, truly, not once is slavery condemned in it).
They want symbols. Symbolism is a much less troublesome than actually taking action.
Actually, much more than just looking at one scripture and coming up with your viewpoint. Did you ever ask a Jewish Rabbi or someone of "the Law" that understands culture and purpose?
So I go beyond the parenthetical years of The Law and go with what lawyers call "Precedent". Then I look at the life of Jesus who was God but became a slave.
Then I look at the end of the story.
Conclusion is that God doesn't like slavery. It is a process of deep study and not just "I found a scripture that supports my position at the expense of all those scriptures that don't.
So, I was right! It was Christians that abolished it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Where is your rebuttal? Your evidence? Jesus never spoke against slavery, but rather he and Paul both affirmed the status of slavery (Matthew 18:25; Luke 12:47). Paul tells them to obey (Ephesians 6:5; 1 Timothy 6:1-2), and even Jesus does suggest "evil servants" can be "cut asunder." (Matthew 24:48-51).
Jefferson, Franklin, Washington, Madison, they weren't Christian, and they wanted to do away with slavery. But it was the Christian South who demanded their "god given right" to slaves. Jefferson, self-described "intellectual adversary of the clergy," wanted to condemn the King for bringing slaves into the new world in the Declaration, but the Southern Christians wouldn't have it, and he wanted to abolish it in the Constitution, but, again, the Southern Christians wouldn't have it.
It was liberals that abolished it. Christians were fine with it for two millennia. They even used Christianity to support their pro slavery agenda in the American South.