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TX Lt. Gov. Blames El Paso Shooting on Not Letting Kids “Pray in Our Schools”

Valjean

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Plus, I think since straight white men were pretty secure in their roles as patriarchal kings they felt no need to lash out.
But straight white men no longer feel secure in their status. They feel threatened by presumptuous members of the underclasses presuming equality.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
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"Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values." -- Dictionary .com.
Liberalism - Wikipedia
THEN:

Since slavery wasn't a "Christian construct" and Christians only participated in it for 3 to 4 centuries while Muslims for over a millennia, then one would have to say it was the "liberals" who discarded Christian traditional values and Conservative Christians eradicated it.
 

Valjean

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There were Christian abolitionists. Your grasp of history is poor. The end of slavery was not some secular atheists group movement. It was Christians fighting Christians at least in the US as the majority. For the rest of the planet it was Christian nations telling other people what to do.
Both sides were christian, and neither set out to abolish slavery. Abolition was a northern tactic to sow economic harm and chaos in the South.
The liberal, idealistic abolitionists predated the war.
 

Valjean

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Premium Member
THEN:

Since slavery wasn't a "Christian construct" and Christians only participated in it for 3 to 4 centuries while Muslims for over a millennia, then one would have to say it was the "liberals" who discarded Christian traditional values and Conservative Christians eradicated it.
Wasn't slavery a feature in most complex societies throughout history, including christian?
Where are you getting "only 3 to 4 centuries?"
 

sooda

Veteran Member
THEN:

Since slavery wasn't a "Christian construct" and Christians only participated in it for 3 to 4 centuries while Muslims for over a millennia, then one would have to say it was the "liberals" who discarded Christian traditional values and Conservative Christians eradicated it.


Jews and the African Slave Trade | My Jewish Learning
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jews-and-the-african-slave-trade
  • Yes. Jacob Rader Marcus, a historian and Reform rabbi, wrote in his four-volume history of Americans Jews that over 75 percent of Jewish families in Charleston, South Carolina; Richmond, Virginia; and Savannah, Georgia, owned slaves, and nearly 40 percent of Jewish households across the country did. The Jewish population in these cities was quite small, however, so the total number of slaves they owned represented just a small fraction of the total slave population; Eli Faber, a historian at...
 

Shad

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Im not denying that. Im pointing out one of those groups were quoting the Bible, and doing it in proper context.


Context such as what? Cite something.

The other group said god was wrong. Not with those words, but they put aside scripture for reason, they realized there is a mistake, and said what god allows isnt good.

Evidence?

They have nothing in the Bible when it comes to the issue of slavery. Paul sealed the deal when he told Christian slaves to serve especially well if they have a Christian master.

Evidence?
 

Shadow Wolf

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Context such as what? Cite something.
I have. The Bible condones slavery. The side fighting for slavery was the one accurately citing it.
Evidence?
What else do you call it when someone says something is a great evil but god says it's ok and permits it? Simply put, they called themselves Christian, but they had a greater sense of morality than the god of the Bible.
Evidence?
The evidence is that no where, not once, not ever in entire Bible is slavery condemned. To the contrary Jehovah permits it and reinforces the idea that people can be captured or given away like animals and bought and sold like commodities.
As for the rest: Serve well, slaves (Ephesians 6:5); honor your master, slaves (1 Timothy 6:1); be submissive, slaves (Tidus 2:9); be enthusiastic in your service (Ephesians 6:8); multiple times he tells slaves to serve their master as if they are servings Christ, because, as he says, they are serving Christ by fulfilling their duties as slaves.
 
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