SugarOcean
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It flies in the face of the first command.
Too bad. That way you'd not make the same mistake as prior when you said, "If we examine the Constitution, it isn't based upon Christianity either....."
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In God We Trust’ signs going up at public schools all over South Dakota
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SugarOcean
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Darwin was raised Anglican. He was an Agnostic, not an atheist.
Nah.
Think of influence as being part of a basis.
But to say Christianity is the basis for the Constitution would be to ignore the other influences.
And remember....I gave Christian persecution of Christians credit for inspiring the 1st Amendment.
Rather than read extensive linked tomes, I prefer
that posters put arguments in their own words.
I never thought he was an atheist or agnostic.
He became part of the motto for the purpose of nose tweaking.
(Evolution is the theme.)
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
The "Free Exercise Clause" found in the 1st Amendment of the Constitution prohibits the creation of a national religion, so we are legally not a "Christian country", thus our laws need to reflect what the Constitution actually says and implies. Therefore, a public school cannot endorse or reflect any religion since the separation of church & state is also mandated for the states, and it's the states that ultimately are responsible for public education, not the local communities.
tytlyf
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That's not referring to the christian god though. "Creator" means something different to deists than it does to christians.
No one is disputing that. I'm sure a denomination of christianity that most Americans aren't today. We're talking about the founding fathers and their crafting of the constitution. It didn't matter to them that the majority of the population followed christ.
The point is the FF's understood the problem with religion intertwining with the government and declared so in the founding documents. They didn't want god on the money, they didn't want god added to the pledge. If they did, it would have been done at the beginning.
Just because the population is majority christian (slowly declining), doesn't give you the right to start introducing biblically inspired legislation to subvert the secular constitution.
For far too many years elected officials have ignored this clearly un-constitutional act
SugarOcean
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I'm just going by the statement you made earlier.
Remember, Moses is on the Frieze, of the U.S Supreme Court. Carvings categorized as, Fame, Authority, Light of Wisdom, and History.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/northandsouthwalls.pdf
I do. I also like to offer other evidence for educational purposes.
SugarOcean
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tytlyf
Not Religious
Most christians are agnostic, most atheists are agnostic.
Atheism = lack of belief in a god
Theism = belief in a god
Agnostic = lack of knowledge (evidence) of a god
Gnostic = has knowledge (evidence) of a god
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I'm totally with you on this!
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Can I just say that the United States was founded based on freedom of religion. That includes atheists and non-Christians. I know God and God tells me that I don't have to deal with you control freaks. I will ask Jesus to inform you of the correct rules wherein you are told to be loving, kind, meek, humble, all of those things you seem to lack. Are you sure that you are a Christian? I'm don't think that you really are.
P.S. I know about patriotism. I'm a veteran from a long lineage of veterans, people who actually swore allegiance to the Constitution instead of to a religion. Separation of church and state.
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Unless you are a con artist televangelist or preacher.
The IRS has next to no rules for them. I think I'll contact Congress and ask them all audited.
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The Founding Fathers, Deism, and Christianity
Britannica, pretty reputable source. "But the widespread existence in 18th-century America of a school of religious thought called Deism complicates the actual beliefs of the Founders. Drawing from the scientific and philosophical work of such figures as Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Isaac Newton, and John Locke, Deists argued that human experience and rationality—rather than religious dogma and mystery—determine the validity of human beliefs. In his widely read The Age of Reason, Thomas Paine, the principal American exponent of Deism, called Christianity “a fable.” Paine, the protégé of Benjamin Franklin, denied “that the Almighty ever did communicate anything to man, by…speech,…language, or…vision.” Postulating a distant deity whom he called “Nature’s God” (a term also used in the Declaration of Independence), Paine declared in a “profession of faith”:" etc.
Please feel free to read that.
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Actually, I stated in another post that the Christians should put up their prayer plaques and all of that at the Christian schools not the public schools.
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No, I think that's appropriate.
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He won't keep getting his way. God, actually, is good no matter what the pretend Christians try to say. The real God will win, not the pushy, obnoxious people.
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So, I guess I qualify as a scientific theist.
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Actually, if the "Christians" are trying to force their beliefs onto public schools, they are trying to dominate. What don't you get in that?
But we pushy obnoxious people are increasing in number.