Looking for people who have some aim or purpose in these forums

Katzpur said:

Hmmm. I guess I was wrong then.

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I’m wondering if you stopped reading there, and lost interest in any conversation between us. If that’s how you feel about it, that’s okay, but I don’t want you to think that’s how I feel about it. Having different or even contrary goals doesn’t change anything for me. I’m still volunteering to be a person for you to talk to about your goals. I’ve been thinking about those, and getting some new ideas about them.

Jim said:

I think that the best thing that can happen to anyone, and what the world needs most of all, is for people to learn to love and follow that light, following a master teacher in a religion where they see that light, along with some other people who see it.

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So, at the end of a longish post, you accept you are really a proselytizer (I do not want every one to be a Hindu). Kindly remember that one whom you term as Master Teacher may be considered by many others as just one more fake in Abrahamic religions whom your Abrahamic God gave a mission through a vision of a 'Maid of Heaven' (that being what he claimed).

Thief said:

nope.....the common fulcrum won't be there

no two people see anything the same way

if both of us stood still watching
the same event right between us

your account will be different than mine

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Now that’s one I didn’t have any trouble understanding at all!

It just dawned on me that your posts might be something I’ve seen people doing that they call “poetry.” I’m a little slow sometimes.

Aupmanyav said:

So, at the end of a longish post, you accept you are really a proselytizer

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No. How does that make me a proselytizer?

Kindly remember that one whom you term as Master Teacher may be considered by many others as just one more fake in Abrahamic religions.

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I didn’t capitalize “master teacher,” and I wasn’t thinking only of Bahá’u’lláh, if that’s what you mean. Next to your avatar you invite people to be their own master teacher. Does that make you a proselytizer? I agree that a person can be their own master teacher, but I allow for other possibilities also.

no kidding around.....
if you speak of well God and heaven
so too the angels will do for you

and your religion hardly matters

Jim said:

Now that’s one I didn’t have any trouble understanding at all!

It just dawned on me that your posts might be something I’ve seen people doing that they call “poetry.” I’m a little slow sometimes.

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shall we then run together like horses?
or creep like turtles?

how about …..flight?

Jim said:

I’m wondering if you stopped reading there, and lost interest in any conversation between us. If that’s how you feel about it, that’s okay, but I don’t want you to think that’s how I feel about it. Having different or even contrary goals doesn’t change anything for me. I’m still volunteering to be a person for you to talk to about your goals. I’ve been thinking about those, and getting some new ideas about them.

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No, I read your whole post. I just thought we were kind of on the same page, and since it appears as it we're not, I think I'll pass -- at least for now. No hard feelings. I just think that after close to 20 years of doing what I'm doing, I have a pretty good handle on what I need to do. If you would like to chime in on how you'd suggest I deal with mean, hateful people, though, I wouldn't mind chewing on your suggestions for a while.

Jim said:

I didn’t capitalize “master teacher,” and I wasn’t thinking only of Bahá’u’lláh, if that’s what you mean. Next to your avatar you invite people to be their own master teacher. Does that make you a proselytizer? I agree that a person can be their own master teacher, but I allow for other possibilities also.

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The idea of a 'master teacher' itself capitalizes it. One does not need to put 'm' in captals. In India, we had many teachers, Mahavira, Buddha, Sankara, Kabir among others, one can learn from all, but we never called one as 'Master Teacher' like you do.

Thief said:

.. and your religion hardly matters

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Not correct. You have to accept Jesus (I am the only gate), Mohammad (muḥammadun rasūlu llāh), otherwise no salvation and hell for eternity.

Katzpur said:

. If you would like to chime in on how you'd suggest I deal with mean, hateful people, though, I wouldn't mind chewing on your suggestions for a while.

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Pick me pick me ha ha, I chimed in and good to say Hi again.

This was the advice I remember in this subject from Abdul'baha, we must treat them as they are our friends;

"Bahá’u’lláh has clearly said in His Tablets that if you have an enemy, consider him not as an enemy. Do not simply be long-suffering; nay, rather, love him. Your treatment of him should be that which is becoming to lovers. Do not even say that he is your enemy. Do not see any enemies. Though he be your murderer, see no enemy. Look upon him with the eye of friendship. Be mindful that you do not consider him as an enemy and simply tolerate him, for that is but stratagem and hypocrisy. To consider a man your enemy and love him is hypocrisy. This is not becoming of any soul. You must behold him as a friend. You must treat him well. This is right...."

Now that is some aim!

Regards Tony

Katzpur said:

If you would like to chime in on how you'd suggest I deal with mean, hateful people, though, I wouldn't mind chewing on your suggestions for a while.

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I do have some ideas about that. I’ll come back to that later. I hope you’ll remind me if I forget. I have a lot of interest in that topic. Meanwhile, here’s a thought: Don’t think of it as mean, hateful people. Think of it as mean, hateful behavior. If the reason for that isn’t obvious to you, try chewing on it for a while. If you don’t find a good reason, I’ll try to explain it.

Jim said:

I do have some ideas about that. I’ll come back to that later. I hope you’ll remind me if I forget. I have a lot of interest in that topic. Meanwhile, here’s a thought: Don’t think of it as mean, hateful people. Think of it as mean, hateful behavior. If the reason for that isn’t obvious to you, try chewing on it for a while. If you don’t find a good reason, I’ll try to explain it.

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If you wanted to help people, at least mental health related, the best thing you could do is urge them to go to a therapist or mental health institution.

Jim said:

I agree with you that you are not the only one who has tried to defame me as one of those. I say that I don’t have any aims or purposes here other than the ones that I’ve already posted many times, in many places. Now will you accuse me of lying about that?

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1st, fame or blame should be no matter, for one who really gives. That is called vanna-macchariya (stinginess in regard ones esteem). Secound, my person did not "accuse", but gave may things to think about how Brahman appears to wiser possible.
Lying, not honest to oneself at first place: that is something Brahman needs to prove for himself, since only that would be of use for him.

Again: What really drives Brahman Jim into this Forum, let him passionate try and try of what he can not even express?

Jim said:

It looks to me like you’re accusing me of being dishonest and treacherous. It looks to me like you want people to think that I have motives and intentions contrary to forum rules, that I’m trying to hide from people. Did you intend it that way?

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My person, of course intented that Brahman get's more seen how he possible appears for "sensible" and that there is no real reason to hide things, exept one is a trader (does thing in exchange, and not really generous. trade here does not necessary means material gains).

No need to speak about forum rules. Rules can be used corrupt by citizens and executive as well. So those poor rules are no meassure since they are not capable to judge wholesome from unwholesome, do not even respect the actors views. (the probably most often banned monk speaks here, people, especially if having many faults, fear truthfullness like nothing else.)

So the talk here, my persons approach, like always, does not bear any that might not of benefit for Brahman, at least.

Thief said:

no two people see anything the same way

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While the rest is general total right, not two being have the same past of actions, this can not be categorical seen right. Everybody having arived t right view, will see things in that way. Noble Ones don't view phenomenas different.

(btw. my person wonders when householder gives up his useless, ironical, avatar name. He should not think that there are much who would get the mirror-message of it, like possible purposed)

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:

This was the advice I remember in this subject from Abdul'baha, we must treat them as they are our friends.
"Bahá’u’lláh has clearly said ..

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Don't you think people are tired of your Bahaullah, Abdul Baha and Shoghi Effendi?

I’m working backwards through the thread, trying to catch up on conversations. If I miss anyone who’s waiting for a response from me, please tell me!

Katzpur said:

If you would like to chime in on how you'd suggest I deal with mean, hateful people, though, I wouldn't mind chewing on your suggestions for a while.

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I’ll tell you some thoughts that come to me now, and possibly some later if I think of any others. My first thought is another idea that I practiced for a while, and then forgot. I’m grateful for you helping me remember these ideas! As I said, I don’t think of it as mean, hateful people. I think of it as mean, hateful behavior. Then I say to myself “I’ve done worse.” I can almost always think of some time when I’ve done worse, and if I can’t, I just presume that I have and I just don’t remember it. Even in those cases I can remember or at least imagine wanting to be as mean and hateful as anyone is to me. That helps me get into a more friendly mood. I think that the more I can post with genuinely friendly feelings the better, no matter how mean or hateful anyone is to me.

Another thought that comes to me now is what I said before, to remember a verse from my scriptures about what I’m trying to do, and pray about it, every time I write a post, before I send it. I forgot all about that again, until just now when I wrote it!

I think that most mean and hateful behavior just needs to be ignored. I report it sometimes, if I think it might need to be reported, but I try not to overdo it.

Sometimes, if it looks to me like someone is trying to vilify me, while pretending not to, I say how it looks to me and ask if they intended it that way. If it continues after that, I ignore it. If someone openly says false vilifying things about me, I might say that they are false, but I don’t argue about it.

I have some ideas that I’ve been practicing and promoting, to help improve online behavior in general. I think it’s better to just ignore most hostile behavior, and not say anything about it. That won’t stop it, but responding to it in any way at all, or saying anything about it, will only encourage it. That does not mean that I never respond to mean and hateful posts. I just try to respond, with genuine friendliness, as if the same thing were being said without all the hatefulness, and even with friendliness. I’ve learned some ways to put myself into a spirit of genuine friendliness, if I feel antagonized by what someone says or does. If someone’s behavior starts to look like stalking and harassment to me, I stop responding altogether, and report it.

There have been a few times when I stopped responding to someone, not because of how they were treating me, but because I couldn’t find any way to say anything to them without them misunderstanding it and being offended by it. I’ve also stopped responding to a person sometimes when they didn’t seem be actually talking to me at all, but only to some stereotype that they were substituting in my place.

I think that some mean and hateful behavior is people performing for each other, for the approval they get for it. Some of it is like sticking pins in voodoo doll. You aren’t really the target. The real target of someone’s hatred is not available to be jabbed and stabbed, and you’re the best substitute that they can find.

One of my spiritual teachers says to think of ranting and railing against divine authority as being like the cries of a child being weaned from mothers milk.

Aupmanyav said:

Don't you think people are tired of your Bahaullah, Abdul Baha and Shoghi Effendi?

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It could be It there own issue, maybe it is what they did during the night before, as it could be just that some are yet to wake up.

Regards Tony

Samana Johann said:

My person, of course intented that Brahman get's more seen how he possible appears for "sensible" and that there is no real reason to hide things, exept one is a trader (does thing in exchange, and not really generous. trade here does not necessary means material gains).

No need to speak about forum rules. Rules can be used corrupt by citizens and executive as well. So those poor rules are no meassure since they are not capable to judge wholesome from unwholesome, do not even respect the actors views. (the probably most often banned monk speaks here, people, especially if having many faults, fear truthfullness like nothing else.)

So the talk here, my persons approach, like always, does not bear any that might not of benefit for Brahman, at least.

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Looking again, I see a possibility that your intentions are not as malicious as I was beginning to think they were. Considering that possibility, for now I will only say that some of what you’re saying about me looks false and vilifying to me.

AT-AT said:

I gave up Christianity due to being hurt many times by the Christian community, by wolves in sheep's clothing. I had objections to Christianity but upon taking a look deep within, I just had a lot of hurt. That hurt came before the objections. Now that I've vented it out, I want to give it, Christianity, another shot.

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