What about not getting along with other people in heaven?

amorphous_constellation · Jun 22, 2019

dybmh said:
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? In the bible, Satan was a 'son of god' who changed sides in the books of Isaiah and Revelation. So he existed in heaven at one time, in a higher state of some kind than mortal man.

amorphous_constellation · Jun 22, 2019

InChrist said:
So in eternity when the believer is in the glorified state as Christ they will have no desire to sin. Non-believers never made that choice, nor accepted Christ into their lives so they do not and will not know freedom from sin, but have instead chosen to cling to it for eternity.

However, you said that 'such love is so wonderful there would be no desire to sin.' By that logic, an unsaved sinner feeling the effects of this powerful love would not feel a desire to sin regardless of how he lived, per the point you make of how powerful it is. Do you understand my point?

InChrist · Jun 22, 2019

ideogenous_mover said:
However, you said that 'such love is so wonderful there would be no desire to sin.' By that logic, an unsaved sinner feeling the effects of this powerful love would not feel a desire to sin regardless of how he lived, per the point you make of how powerful it is. Do you understand my point?

That is not how it works. An unsaved sinner has chosen to reject such love and instead live as a slave to sin and satan, therefore hate is their mode of operation just as satan hates God, humanity, and all that is truly good.and lovely.

amorphous_constellation · Jun 23, 2019

InChrist said:
That is not how it works. An unsaved sinner has chosen to reject such love and instead live as a slave to sin and satan, therefore hate is their mode of operation just as satan hates God, humanity, and all that is truly good.and lovely.

Yeah but if that sinner felt the love of god in the afterlife pouring onto him, he would, by your logic in the phrase that "such love is so wonderful there would be no desire to sin," be unable to have hate as a mode of operation as feeling the love of God would leave them so spellbound. If God gave him his love in the afterlife, he would then, upon feeling what is 'truly good and lovely," have no compulsion to be a sinner. And therefore, no reason to be an enemy of God or anything that is good! Notwithstanding if this is "not how it works," if God did grant a sinner the afterlife love that you describe, would it have the effect that I am describing to you? Answer with a yes or no.

Thief · Jun 23, 2019

ideogenous_mover said:
Presumably you are to spend an eternity with your neighbors in heaven that are also risen, (aside from possibly non-human angel beings or creatures God made with consciousness) and as we know from our experience here, humans seem to display various degrees of interpersonal conflict. At best they are minor; perhaps you would like your neighbor to cut his grass slightly shorter for example. However, if stretched across eternity, do not the minor quibbles become serious? Wouldn't the differences between you and another human individual eventually come under a magnifying glass, creating anxiety of some kind. Furthermore, and on a related tangent, is this line of thinking related to the story of satan rebelling against god? Indicating perhaps that just because you are in heaven, it doesn't mean that differences in morality and opinion can't exist, even to the point of trying to create a completely separate domain

6billion people will die within my life time

I assume life after death for myself
I am willing to do the same for you

if I spend one year of time with each one
I will be busy for 6billion years

then the rest of humanity coming after......billions of years more

I don't think getting along will be a problem

amorphous_constellation · Jun 23, 2019

Thief said:
if I spend one year of time with each one
I will be busy for 6billion years

That amount of time would not even register in the face of eternity. And busy doing what? Exploring Jupiter as a ghost? Talking? I mean... can you imagine how dull that would get in a couple years.

Thief · Jun 23, 2019

ideogenous_mover said:
That amount of time would not even register in the face of eternity. And busy doing what? Exploring Jupiter as a ghost? Talking? I mean... can you imagine how dull that would get in a couple years.

and going from point a to b.....takes FOREVER

even at the speed of light

TagliatelliMonster · Jun 24, 2019

InChrist said:
Okay, you are free to your perspective.

It's not "my perspective".
It's what factually is the case.

Those "sensations" are physical processes happening in your body. In your "flesh".

I just don't think we can even imaging how different the eternal realm is from the physical

But that doesn't seem to stop your from making claims about it....

, so I don't think your analogies about adrenaline or endorphins are applicable.

You are the one that references sensation experiences and emotions.
I just pointed out that you are trying to invoke those phenomena in a context where they miss all the necessary ingredients to actually manifest.

You are off course free to engage in special pleading, but I'll just point out the logical fallacy.

Faithofchristian · Jun 24, 2019

ideogenous_mover said:
Presumably you are to spend an eternity with your neighbors in heaven that are also risen, (aside from possibly non-human angel beings or creatures God made with consciousness) and as we know from our experience here, humans seem to display various degrees of interpersonal conflict. At best they are minor; perhaps you would like your neighbor to cut his grass slightly shorter for example. However, if stretched across eternity, do not the minor quibbles become serious? Wouldn't the differences between you and another human individual eventually come under a magnifying glass, creating anxiety of some kind. Furthermore, and on a related tangent, is this line of thinking related to the story of satan rebelling against god? Indicating perhaps that just because you are in heaven, it doesn't mean that differences in morality and opinion can't exist, even to the point of trying to create a completely separate domain

First of all, no goes into heaven, everyone has to stand before the Judgement seat of Jesus Christ.
Only Jesus Christ will determine who will be accepted and who will not be accepted into his kingdom.

Further more there will be no one in heaven,
Jesus Christ will established his kingdom here on earth, after the earth has been renewed back to its original form,
everyone will be here right on earth as spirit beings under the Government of Jesus Christ kingdom.

For flesh and blood will no longer exist.

Faithofchristian · Jun 24, 2019

ideogenous_mover said:
Presumably you are to spend an eternity with your neighbors in heaven that are also risen, (aside from possibly non-human angel beings or creatures God made with consciousness) and as we know from our experience here, humans seem to display various degrees of interpersonal conflict. At best they are minor; perhaps you would like your neighbor to cut his grass slightly shorter for example. However, if stretched across eternity, do not the minor quibbles become serious? Wouldn't the differences between you and another human individual eventually come under a magnifying glass, creating anxiety of some kind. Furthermore, and on a related tangent, is this line of thinking related to the story of satan rebelling against god? Indicating perhaps that just because you are in heaven, it doesn't mean that differences in morality and opinion can't exist, even to the point of trying to create a completely separate domain

First of there will be no human beings of flesh and blood, Only spirit beings in God's kingdom.

There will be no conflict between anyone.
All that will be done away with.

amorphous_constellation · Jun 24, 2019

Faithofchristian said:
There will be no conflict between anyone.
All that will be done away with.

Yeah but you said there would be a 'government' and a 'kingdom,' which heavily implies a hierarchy and structure which needs to process the concerns of the populace even if they are spirits. That mean there will be concerns and conflicting ideas, otherwise there be no need for higher structures to give people orders

Faithofchristian · Jun 24, 2019

ideogenous_mover said:
Yeah but you said there would be a 'government' and a 'kingdom,' which heavily implies a hierarchy and structure which needs to process the concerns of the populace even if they are spirits. That mean there will be concerns and conflicting ideas, otherwise there be no need for higher structures to give people orders

There will be no conflicts of interest, there will be no structures to give people orders.
Those that obey God's law now, will obey God's law then.

You seem to think there will be chaos in God's kingdom.
Those things will never exist again.

All those that will be in God's kingdom, will never remember this world, everything of this world will be erased from their remembrance.
Why would I want to remember this world,
For what ?
In God's kingdom the earth will be renewed to it's original state as it once was.

No one will own any land, for the land will be all theirs go any where they want to.
There will be no oceans to divide the land.
As it is now.
The whole earth will be all land,
There will be lakes and rivers, but no big body of watch such as oceans, seas.

Here's one that for sure will blow your mind.
There will be oceans, seas, but they will not be here on earth. But above the earth.

Muffled · Jun 26, 2019

ideogenous_mover said:
How might they leave?

I believe one may leave at will because the spirit is free to go wherever it knows the way but to have a birth requires God's assistance.

Muffled · Jun 26, 2019

Faithofchristian said:
There will be no conflicts of interest, there will be no structures to give people orders.
Those that obey God's law now, will obey God's law then.

You seem to think there will be chaos in God's kingdom.
Those things will never exist again.

All those that will be in God's kingdom, will never remember this world, everything of this world will be erased from their remembrance.
Why would I want to remember this world,
For what ?
In God's kingdom the earth will be renewed to it's original state as it once was.

No one will own any land, for the land will be all theirs go any where they want to.
There will be no oceans to divide the land.
As it is now.
The whole earth will be all land,
There will be lakes and rivers, but no big body of watch such as oceans, seas.

Here's one that for sure will blow your mind.
There will be oceans, seas, but they will not be here on earth. But above the earth.

I believe that is true for the Kingdom but not true in Heaven

Muffled · Jun 26, 2019

Hockeycowboy said:
Myself, I hope to live here on Earth, forever!

“The tent of God is with mankind...and death will be no more...” — Revelation 21:3-4; Isaiah 25:8

This Earth is mankind’s home (Psalms 115:16). It just needs cleaned up! Revelation 11:18

I believe "here" is going to be great deal different from the way it is now.

Faithofchristian · Jun 26, 2019

Muffled said:
I believe that is true for the Kingdom but not true in Heaven

God's kingdom is heaven,
Heaven is God's kingdom.
Both being one and the same

Hockeycowboy · Jun 26, 2019

Muffled said:
I believe "here" is going to be great deal different from the way it is now.

Yes, there will be Earth-wide peace. Even between animals and man! -- Isaiah 11:6-9.

And no more death. -- Revelation 21:3-4.

Many other benefits

amorphous_constellation · Jul 7, 2019

Faithofchristian said:
There will be no conflicts of interest, there will be no structures to give people orders.
Those that obey God's law now, will obey God's law then.

Will we then be exactly the same as god? Because that's really the only way that's possible, unless we are to turn into rocks.

Faithofchristian said:
All those that will be in God's kingdom, will never remember this world, everything of this world will be erased from their remembrance.
Why would I want to remember this world,
For what ?

To remember why you supposedly deserve to be there?? If didn't remember, you wouldn't even know you were ever on the of the so-called 'righteous.'

Faithofchristian said:
Here's one that for sure will blow your mind.
There will be oceans, seas, but they will not be here on earth. But above the earth.

Why?

night912 · Jul 7, 2019

InChrist said:
Everyone in heaven will be changed, transformed, and in the glorified state as Jesus Christ is. Those in heaven will be free of the flesh and the various attitudes and selfish behaviors that exist in this present world, instead living in God's perfect love one with another.

Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure. 1 John 3:1-3

So that would make you, no longer you. It would also mean that you don't have freewill. So why would anyone want to go to heaven, a place where you get forcefuly lobotomized before entering and your freewill taken away. Basically you become an obedient slave. Apparently god finally learned a lesson from his past mistakes. After remembering that Satan was able to think for himself and had the freewill to rebel, god doesn't want humans to do the same so he implemented the failsafe. Somehow, being an emotionless slave for all eternity doesn't sound apealing to me.

amorphous_constellation · Jul 7, 2019

night912 said:
. Somehow, being an emotionless slave for all eternity doesn't sound apealing to me.

I picture such beings as being like figurines that god would set on a shelf to ornament the hall of his idea of heaven.. Sort of like the idols that God so castigated the men of hold for creating

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