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Countries banning of kosher meats are forcing "expulsion" of Jews

Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Kangaroo Feathers said:
Pretty sure the last few moments the animal is aware after it's throat is slashed are pretty upsetting for the animal.
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Also the reason for doing it appears to be bogus. It is supposedly done to get rid of the blood from flesh. This method gets rid of less than half of an animal's blood. It will die before then. Humans did after they have lost a third to forty percent of their blood. Other .animals would not be terribly different:

Breaking Point: How Much Blood Can The Human Body Lose?
 
sooda

sooda

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Subduction Zone said:
Are they? Animals can often smell blood and fear of their own. I don't think that they are very reassured no matter what method is used. And I do admit to being ignorant in the following,but I am unaware of any demand by their religion that Jews or Muslims have to eat meat. If their meat processing is too cruel for countries that they live in isn't vegetarianism an option for them?
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I am no expert but as I said in the Bedouin camp it was so quick with the head pulled back so far as to break all the vertebra instantly.

If butchering animals for food is so evil and cruel, maybe we should all be vegetarians?

When my grandmother used to kill a chicken for Sunday dinner, i just never perceived her as cruel.
 
sooda

sooda

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Subduction Zone said:
Also the reason for doing it appears to be bogus. It is supposedly done to get rid of the blood from flesh. This method gets rid of less than half of an animal's blood. It will die before then. Humans did after they have lost a third to forty percent of their blood. Other .animals would not be terribly different:

Breaking Point: How Much Blood Can The Human Body Lose?
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I think (and I may be wrong) but neither Arabs nor Jews capture the blood to make blood pudding .. which I find disgusting.. My children, however love it ...
 
sooda

sooda

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  1. Black pudding - Wikipedia
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pudding
    History and recipes. Blood puddings are often supposed to be one of the oldest forms of sausage. Animals are generally bled at slaughter, and as blood does not keep unless prepared in some way, making a pudding with it is one of the easiest ways of ensuring it does not go to waste.

  2. What is Blood Pudding? (with pictures) - wisegeek.com
    www.wisegeek.com/what-is-blood-pudding.htm
    Blood pudding, also sometimes known as “black pudding,” is a type of sausage made with animal blood. It is well known in many parts of the world in the context of a traditional Irish or Scottish breakfast, though there are many different variations.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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sooda said:
I am no expert but as I said in the Bedouin camp it was so quick with the head pulled back so far as to break all the vertebra instantly.

If butchering animals for food is so evil and cruel, maybe we should all be vegetarians?

When my grandmother used to kill a chicken for Sunday dinner, i just never perceived her as cruel.
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One can break the neck of small animals like chickens, that is not very easy with larger ones like lambs, and all but impossible with cattle. There appear to be kinder ways to kill animals and the claim that it gets rid of blood is false anyway. It gets rid of some blood, but not all. Almost certainly not even half.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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sooda said:
I think (and I may be wrong) but neither Arabs nor Jews capture the blood to make blood pudding .. which I find disgusting.. My children, however love it ...
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They wouldn't. It is neither halal or kosher. It would be thrown away. I never had blood pudding or sausages, but I would not be afraid to try.
 
sooda

sooda

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Subduction Zone said:
One can break the neck of small animals like chickens, that is not very easy with larger ones like lambs, and all but impossible with cattle. There appear to be kinder ways to kill animals and the claim that it gets rid of blood is false anyway. It gets rid of some blood, but not all. Almost certainly not even half.
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A Halal butcher does break the neck of the animal instantly.

My grandmother tried to teach me how to break a chicken's neck.. Very traumatic.. The chicken jumped up and ran off.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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sooda said:
A Halal butcher does break the neck of the animal instantly.

My grandmother tried to teach me how to break a chicken's neck.. Very traumatic.. The chicken jumped up and ran off.
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They might be able to break a lambs neck. A cow, not so much. And chickens running with their heads cut off is a fairly common barnyard sight on small farms.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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sooda said:
They cut the throat thru to the neck vertebrae in one motion and pull back hard.
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No, they cut the throat, but not the vertebrae. I just watched a few on YouTube. I DO NOT recommend it. I can see why countries prefer them to be stunned first. Stunning may not be perfect, but it looks kinder than halal.
 
sooda

sooda

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Subduction Zone said:
No, they cut the throat, but not the vertebrae. I just watched a few on YouTube. I DO NOT recommend it. I can see why countries prefer them to be stunned first. Stunning may not be perfect, but it looks kinder than halal.
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I said.. in Halal they cut thru to the vertebrae and pull back hard so they instantly break the neck. I think skill would matter a great deal.
 
rosends

rosends

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just a side note (though it isn't specifically the topic of this thread), the reason for kosher slaughter isn't because the method ensures proper exsanguination.
 
HonestJoe

HonestJoe

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sooda said:
How do we know which is the most humane way? At least with Halal and Kosher the animal is calm up to the moment its throat is slashed.
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That isn’t really relevant to my question. If it was determined that the safest and most humane way of slaughtering animals was to slit the throat while they were still conscious, that could be the established law. My question would still stand; if a different religious group came along and said their beliefs mean an animal must be unconscious before slaughter, should they be allowed an exemption to the law or would they be dismissed. And would the Jews and Muslims currently arguing religious freedom for their own benefit support this other group in seeking their exemption, even though their method would be then deemed less humane?

Basically, the question of the most appropriate method(s) of animal slaughter should be entirely separate from any religious, social or personal preferences. The question here is whether religious beliefs are a valid reason to grant believers special exemptions to the law of the land.
 
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JJ50

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Banning kosher meat should be the rule in all civilised countries as it is unnecessarily cruel to livestock.
 
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