The Lord's Name in Vain

Fool · Mar 19, 2019

Jainarayan said:
No. Brahman isn't a being, it isn't a thing, it doesn't have characteristics, it's not God though it's oversimplified and erroneously equated with God. There's nothing "in vain" or "having no purpose" in saying the Mahāvākyas. They're statements of belief and philosophy.

the word brahman literally means to be.

Brahma (ब्रह्म) (nominative singular), brahman (ब्रह्मन्) (stem) (neuter[23] gender) from root bṛh-, means "to be or make firm, strong, solid, expand, promote"

the name in judaism is basically a verb meaning to be also. it comes from the word hayah.

thank you for sharing that the name is not taken "in vain" or "having no purpose". i'm also aware that its understood that namaste recognizes that sacredness within others.

Jainarayan · Mar 19, 2019

Fool said:
i'm also aware that its understood that namaste recognizes that sacredness within others.

In reality it simply means "(I) salute you" (namaḥ + te = namaste because of sandhi, joining, rules). It's kind of New Age to use "divinity within", but it's not inappropriate, just a little overthought imo.

Fool · Mar 19, 2019

Jainarayan said:
In reality it simply means "(I) salute you" (namaḥ + te = namaste because of sandhi, joining, rules). It's kind of New Age to use "divinity within", but it's not inappropriate, just a little overthought imo.

its my understanding that nama means bow, or obesiance. one generally doesn't bow to anything other than what is holy, sacred, reverential.

so the explicit wording might not be there but obviously it implies that one is paying respect to something that is obviously deserving respect.

Jainarayan · Mar 19, 2019

Fool said:
its my understanding that nama means bow, or obesiance. one generally doesn't bow to anything other than what is holy, sacred, reverential.

It translates as 'salute', 'obeisance', 'reverence'. It's an ancient custom to bow to and touch the feet of grandparents, a priest, a teacher. Yes, the greeting is used in a religious context, but it's used in everyday speech as "hello". There are other verbs that have the same meaning. I mean, you can use them however you want, but they're not limited to greeting the divine.

Baladas · Mar 19, 2019

Fool said:
what is the possible issue with taking the Lord's name in vain in christianity? judaism?

is this seen as a possible issue in any of the hindu schools?

zoroastrianism? any other religion that speaks of a holy name?

If I'm remembering correctly, this had more to do with using the name of YHWH in a careless or self-serving manner (it's been a while since I last read up on this).

"God" is not a name, and technically neither is "Lord", though both ancient Levantines and Babylonians often referred to their chief Gods as "Lord" as well ("Baal" and "Bel" respectively).

I feel like I read somewhere that some scholars think that the many references to Marduk as "Bel" (Lord) by the Babylonians could have been a sign that they considered his name too sacred to be used lightly. I can't remember where I read that though at the moment.

Jainarayan said:
No. Brahman isn't a being, it isn't a thing, it doesn't have characteristics, it's not God though it's oversimplified and erroneously equated with God. There's nothing "in vain" or "having no purpose" in saying the Mahāvākyas. They're statements of belief and philosophy.

This reminds me of similar misconceptions related to Dao.

Fool · Mar 20, 2019

Baladas said:
If I'm remembering correctly, this had more to do with using the name of YHWH in a careless or self-serving manner (it's been a while since I last read up on this).

"God" is not a name, and technically neither is "Lord", though both ancient Levantines and Babylonians often referred to their chief Gods as "Lord" as well ("Baal" and "Bel" respectively).

I feel like I read somewhere that some scholars think that the many references to Marduk as "Bel" (Lord) by the Babylonians could have been a sign that they considered his name too sacred to be used lightly. I can't remember where I read that though at the moment.

This reminds me of similar misconceptions related to Dao.

exodus 3:14 implies that this is the title to be used when sending a prophet.
exodus 3:15 explicitly uses the word "name"

And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation.

Baladas · Mar 20, 2019

Fool said:
exodus 3:14 implies that this is the title to be used when sending a prophet.
exodus 3:15 explicitly uses the word "name"

And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation.

His name is not "God".
"The Lord" is an English translation of "Adonai".
"Baal" also means "The Lord".
Would you call upon your God as "my Baal"?
I'm assuming not.

URAVIP2ME · Mar 21, 2019

Neuropteron said:
Some believe that God's name Jehovah should not be used. However there is nothing in the Scriptures that supports that view.
God said not to take his name " in vain" or in a worthless way(depending on the translation used).
But that does not mean that we should not use the name. Rather, it means that servant of Jehovah should not do things that discredit his name.
Exodus 20:7 (part of the 10 commandments) "You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way for Jehovah will not leave the one unpunished who takes up his name in a worthless way"
Rather than being unspeakable as some think, the name was honored, loved, respected. It was used in naming places, and even in naming people.
Following are a few among well-known Bible names whose meanings involve Jehovah or Jah(shortened poetic form as in Hallelujah).
Joel means Jehovah is God.
Jonathan means Jehovah has given
Joshua means Jehovah is salvation
John means Jehovah has been gracious.

Besides the meaning of Bible names, I find at John 17:6 and John 17:26 that Jesus says he manifested God's name and declared God's name and will declare God's name. ( Tetragrammaton YHWH)

Fool · Mar 21, 2019

Baladas said:
His name is not "God".
"The Lord" is an English translation of "Adonai".
"Baal" also means "The Lord".
Would you call upon your God as "my Baal"?
I'm assuming not.

i never stated god was the name. i stated that there was the name at exodus 3:14 which is a verb and the second which is a noun at exodus 3:15

NAMES OF GOD - JewishEncyclopedia.com

The Name.

The name Yhwh is considered as the Name proper; it was known in the earliest rabbinical works simply as the Name; also as Shem ha-Meyuḥad ("the Extraordinary Name"; Sifre, Num. 143); as Shem ha-Meforash ("the Distinguished Name"; Yoma vi. 2); as Shem ben Arba' Otiyyot ("the Tetragrammaton" or "the Quadriliteral Name"; Ḳid. 71a); and as Yod He Waw He (spelling the letters of Yhwh). The pronunciation of the written Name was used only by the priests in the Temple when blessing the people (Num. vi. 22-27); outside the Temple they used the title "Adonai" (Soṭah vii. 6; p. 38a).

Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh
The Incommunicable Name was pronounced "Adonai," and where Adonai and Yhwh occur together the latter was pronounced "Elohim." After the destruction of the Second Temple there remained no trace of knowledge as to the pronunciation of the Name (see Jehovah). The commentators, however, agree as to its interpretation, that it denotes the eternal and everlasting existence of God, and that it is a composition of

(meaning "a Being of the Past, the Present, and the Future").

Fool · Mar 21, 2019

URAVIP2ME said:
Besides the meaning of Bible names, I find at John 17:6 and John 17:26 that Jesus says he manifested God's name and declared God's name and will declare God's name. ( Tetragrammaton YHWH)

that is what the name means; that the lord is omnipresent, even in self and other as self.

Workman · Mar 21, 2019

Fool said:
what is the possible issue with taking the Lord's name in vain in christianity? judaism?

is this seen as a possible issue in any of the hindu schools?

zoroastrianism? any other religion that speaks of a holy name?

IMO!

One cannot be a Lord
if one chooses himself an identity he likes to look in.(being vain)
For likeness doesn’t last long or it can be beaten from another like, and being vain will grow in it.

One should be Lord when one does what he loves for there is nothing that can beat it..
Except another can not be in it.. it is evil. And it is the same in vain.

URAVIP2ME · Mar 21, 2019

Fool said:
that is what the name means; that the lord is omnipresent, even in self and other as self.

Saying omnipresent makes it sound like God is homeless.
However, I find at 1 Kings 8:39,49 God has a specific home location, thus He is Not omnipresent and has a home.

Fool · Mar 21, 2019

URAVIP2ME said:
Saying omnipresent makes it sound like God is homeless.
However, I find at 1 Kings 8:39,49 God has a specific home location, thus He is Not omnipresent and has a home.

Who can hide in secret places so that I cannot see them?" declares the LORD. "Do not I fill heaven and earth?" declares the LORD.

omnipresent means present everywhere and at all times; so obviously god isn't homeless. some assign it a place, only in heaven. like they are the one's who define god.

Psalm 139:8
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

so basically god is everywhere and there is no where that it is not.

URAVIP2ME · Mar 22, 2019

Fool said:
Who can hide in secret places so that I cannot see them?" declares the LORD. "Do not I fill heaven and earth?" declares the LORD.
omnipresent means present everywhere and at all times; so obviously god isn't homeless. some assign it a place, only in heaven. like they are the one's who define god.
Psalm 139:8
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
so basically god is everywhere and there is no where that it is not.

I wonder how you concluded that God could literally be in hell___________
So, the psalmist is merely meaning that No one can hide from God even in the grave.
God sends forth His spirit as per Psalms 104:30, so God does Not have a literal presence in any hell.
True, God is just a prayer away, but that does Not mean He is literally everywhere. - 1 Kings 8:30, 39, 43, 45, 49.

ManSinha · Mar 22, 2019

URAVIP2ME said:
True, God is just a prayer away, but that does Not mean He is literally everywhere.

While I can agree with the first part of that statement - there are some that have the opinion that the Lord is everywhere and everywhere is in the Lord

Fool · Mar 22, 2019

URAVIP2ME said:
I wonder how you concluded that God could literally be in hell___________
So, the psalmist is merely meaning that No one can hide from God even in the grave.
God sends forth His spirit as per Psalms 104:30, so God does Not have a literal presence in any hell.
True, God is just a prayer away, but that does Not mean He is literally everywhere. - 1 Kings 8:30, 39, 43, 45, 49.

psalms 104 says nothing about hell nor does any of your other verses sited. jesus said the kingdom of god comes from within you; obviously the kingdom of hell comes from the same place.

god is not something apart/separate from self. it is something that has the potential to manifest within self.

Luke 11:34
The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.

URAVIP2ME · Mar 24, 2019

ManSinha said:
While I can agree with the first part of that statement - there are some that have the opinion that the Lord is everywhere and everywhere is in the Lord

I think there are probably many who think God is everywhere,etc.
True, God's figurative ' eyes ' can see, but that does Not have to mean His eyes are everywhere.
God has a set home address according to 1st Kings 8:49 that location is Heaven, although No ZIP code is listed.

URAVIP2ME · Mar 24, 2019

Fool said:
psalms 104 says nothing about hell nor does any of your other verses sited. jesus said the kingdom of god comes from within you; obviously the kingdom of hell comes from the same place...........

Right, Psalms 104:30 does Not mention hell /grave but that God sends forth Not Himself but sends His spirit.
Dead Jesus was in hell/Bible's grave as per Acts of the Apostles 2:27 but his God was never in any hell.
His God never died according to Psalms 90:2 but is from-and-to everlasting.

Please post where Jesus says the kingdom of God ( thy kingdom come ) comes from within you________
I find at Luke 19:11-15 Jesus saying that the kingdom of God would Not immediately appear.
I also find Jesus is speaking to the hate-filled Pharisees at Luke 17:20-21.
Surely Jesus was Not telling his enemy Pharisees the kingdom was within those Pharisees.
It is Not until ' after' Jesus concludes what he says to the haughty Pharisees, then Jesus addresses his disciples.
Starting with Luke 17:22 is when Jesus addresses his disciples, thus Luke 19:11-15 is toward his followers.

Fool · Mar 25, 2019

URAVIP2ME said:
Right, Psalms 104:30 does Not mention hell /grave but that God sends forth Not Himself but sends His spirit.
Dead Jesus was in hell/Bible's grave as per Acts of the Apostles 2:27 but his God was never in any hell.
His God never died according to Psalms 90:2 but is from-and-to everlasting.

Please post where Jesus says the kingdom of God ( thy kingdom come ) comes from within you________
I find at Luke 19:11-15 Jesus saying that the kingdom of God would Not immediately appear.
I also find Jesus is speaking to the hate-filled Pharisees at Luke 17:20-21.
Surely Jesus was Not telling his enemy Pharisees the kingdom was within those Pharisees.
It is Not until ' after' Jesus concludes what he says to the haughty Pharisees, then Jesus addresses his disciples.
Starting with Luke 17:22 is when Jesus addresses his disciples, thus Luke 19:11-15 is toward his followers.

god is spirit. they are not two separate things

John 4:24
24God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

URAVIP2ME · Mar 25, 2019

Fool said:
god is spirit. they are not two separate things
John 4:24
24God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

God does send forth His spirit as per Psalms 104:30.
I find God's spirit is ' neuter ' at Numbers 11:17; Numbers 11:25.
Reading at John 6:38-40 Jesus came down to do his Father's will, and Not his own will.
Plus, at John 6:46 Jesus says Not that any man has seen the father - Exodus 33:20
If Jesus was the Father then No man has seen Jesus.

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