Nine Pieces Of Evidence That Confirm The Historical Accuracy Of The Bible

Dan From Smithville said:

There is no evidence that the Earth experienced a global flood at any time in the last 20,000,000 years. The biblical story is likely a recounting of a regional flood that was of great size, but not global. Considering how little of the world, people of the time knew, a regional flood might have seemed like the whole world.

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Regional?
Is that the official Methodist Church stance?

Genesis 6:12-14 New International Version (NIV)

God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. So make yourself an ark of cypress wood; make rooms in it and coat it with pitch inside and out.

If the flood was regional then there were safe spots where violent people could save themselves, right?
But this is not what the apostles of Christ like Peter preached. He said:

1 Peter 3:20 New International Version (NIV)
to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,

Now with regards to the evidence whether Noah, the ark and the flood lived, existed and happened respectively - is a matter of investigative work. How would the flood even be possible, someone might ask. If the whole sky would be empty of water vapor then it could flood the Earth surface with 1 inch of water only.

At any moment, the atmosphere contains an astounding 37.5 million billion gallons of water, in the invisible vapor phase. This is enough water to cover the entire surface of the Earth (land and ocean) with one inch of rain.
How much water is in the atmosphere?

Not enough right? But in 2014, American geologists [I have nothing to do with this] found out that there is so much water underground that it could cover the entire Earth's surface three [3x] times over.

Planet EarthPlanet Earth
Huge Underground Reservoir Holds Three Times as Much Water as Earth’s Oceans
ByEleanor Nelson Saturday, June 14, 2014 NOVA Next
Huge Underground Reservoir Holds Three Times as Much Water as Earth’s Oceans

Now I believe
This water which is three times the volume of all of our oceans
were the flood waters during Noah's time
for which covered the Earth for 150 days

Genesis 7:17-24 New International Version (NIV)
For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits. Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.



Now where did these flood waters go?
The immense volume couldn't simply vanished right?
With that volume, the atmosphere couldn't contain them all, do you get me?
During Noah, the Earth was a water world.
And the waters gone down and receded....

Genesis 8:1-5 New International Version (NIV)
But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded. Now the springs of the deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain had stopped falling from the sky. The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down, and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible.


And there you have it why the American geologist found a vast ocean [Ringwoodite - Wikipedia] under the Earth that has a volume of three times greater than all of our oceans combined.

MJFlores said:

Regional?
Is that the official Methodist Church stance?

Genesis 6:12-14 New International Version (NIV)

God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. So make yourself an ark of cypress wood; make rooms in it and coat it with pitch inside and out.

If the flood was regional then there were safe spots where violent people could save themselves, right?
But this is not what the apostles of Christ like Peter preached. He said:

1 Peter 3:20 New International Version (NIV)
to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,

Now with regards to the evidence whether Noah, the ark and the flood lived, existed and happened respectively - is a matter of investigative work. How would the flood even be possible, someone might ask. If the whole sky would be empty of water vapor then it could flood the Earth surface with 1 inch of water only.

At any moment, the atmosphere contains an astounding 37.5 million billion gallons of water, in the invisible vapor phase. This is enough water to cover the entire surface of the Earth (land and ocean) with one inch of rain.
How much water is in the atmosphere?

Not enough right? But in 2014, American geologists [I have nothing to do with this] found out that there is so much water underground that it could cover the entire Earth's surface three [3x] times over.

Planet EarthPlanet Earth
Huge Underground Reservoir Holds Three Times as Much Water as Earth’s Oceans
ByEleanor Nelson Saturday, June 14, 2014 NOVA Next
Huge Underground Reservoir Holds Three Times as Much Water as Earth’s Oceans

Now I believe
This water which is three times the volume of all of our oceans
were the flood waters during Noah's time
for which covered the Earth for 150 days

Genesis 7:17-24 New International Version (NIV)
For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits. Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

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Now where did these flood waters go?
The immense volume couldn't simply vanished right?
With that volume, the atmosphere couldn't contain them all, do you get me?
During Noah, the Earth was a water world.
And the waters gone down and receded....

Genesis 8:1-5 New International Version (NIV)
But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded. Now the springs of the deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain had stopped falling from the sky. The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down, and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible.

And there you have it why the American geologist found a vast ocean [Ringwoodite - Wikipedia] under the Earth that has a volume of three times greater than all of our oceans combined.

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There is no evidence that there was a global flood as claimed in the text of Genesis. The existence of water trapped beneath the earth in minerals is not evidence for a global flood.

The global flood of Genesis is a belief that is unsupported by evidence.

Dan From Smithville said:

There is no evidence that there was a global flood as claimed in the text of Genesis. The existence of water trapped beneath the earth in minerals is not evidence for a global flood.

The global flood of Genesis is a belief that is unsupported by evidence.

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Then you should support your denial.
This reminds me of quotes about denials

“There is no point in using the word 'impossible' to describe something that has clearly happened.”
― Douglas Adams, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

“I could deny it if I liked. I could deny anything if I liked.”
― Oscar Wilde, The Importance of Being Earnest

“Most men would rather deny a hard truth than face it.”
― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones

Denial Quotes (558 quotes)

I believe, I have been explaining Noah that this also reminds me of a beautiful song by Rod Stewart

MJFlores said:

Then you should support your denial.
This reminds me of quotes about denials

“There is no point in using the word 'impossible' to describe something that has clearly happened.”
― Douglas Adams, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

“I could deny it if I liked. I could deny anything if I liked.”
― Oscar Wilde, The Importance of Being Earnest

“Most men would rather deny a hard truth than face it.”
― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones

Denial Quotes (558 quotes)

I believe, I have been explaining Noah that this also reminds me of a beautiful song by Rod Stewart

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How do I provide you with 'no evidence'? The global flood is not a new claim. Surely you cannot be ignorant of the fact that no evidence supports it.

I am not denying the global flood based on belief. Waving your hands at that red herring will not make evidence magically appear.

There is no geological evidence that points to a single, worldwide cataclysmic flood. There is no genetic evidence that would indicate a global bottleneck in all species that corresponds to a period of tens of thousands of years around the alleged time of the flood. There is no evidence of global discontinuity of cultures corresponding to a period around the alleged time of the flood. There are so many holes in the story, it astounds me that grown people can still believe it is a fact.

Dan From Smithville said:

How do I provide you with 'no evidence'? The global flood is not a new claim. Surely you cannot be ignorant of the fact that no evidence supports it.

I am not denying the global flood based on belief. Waving your hands at that red herring will not make evidence magically appear.

There is no geological evidence that points to a single, worldwide cataclysmic flood. There is no genetic evidence that would indicate a global bottleneck in all species that corresponds to a period of tens of thousands of years around the alleged time of the flood. There is no evidence of global discontinuity of cultures corresponding to a period around the alleged time of the flood. There are so many holes in the story, it astounds me that grown people can still believe it is a fact.

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Attack the truth in my assertions
If the truth stands, then it is really the truth
A flimsy denial is as flimsy as it is

I have asserted a scientific discovery
compared that with the bible truth
You could have sliced this in two ways
disprove that the scientific discovery was a fraud
or the bible truth was not written as such

it was presented as evidence
examine the evidence
is it factual? is it relevant?



You see a guilty defendant would always deny the smoking gun as evidence
because it is easy to do
Which reminds me of a song about denying something....

whirlingmerc said:

I think there is plenty of evidence for a global flood if there was a global flood we would expect billions of dead things laid down by water all over the earth... and ... what do we see? Billions of dead things buried in rock layers layer down by water all over the earth?

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You might want to check out the formation of the White Cliffs of Dover. Global Flood Geologists are first rate crackpots.

How were the white cliffs of Dover, England, formed?

The white cliffs of Dover are composed of a variety of protist fossil shells, including coccolithophores (a type of algae) and foraminiferans.

Their process of formation took millions of years: After these protists died, their shells were deposited on the bottom of the ocean in a fine gray mud; after time, layer upon layer of sediment deposited above compressed the mud.

After even more time, the mud hardened, forming a type of limestone we call chalk. Eventually, geologic processes—such as the uplift of the land and erosion by water or ice—exposed the outcrop of white limestone.

How were the white cliffs of Dover, England, formed? - The Handy Biology Answer Book

Chalk ("Upper Chalk" Formation, Upper Cretaceous; White Cliffs of Dover, England, southern Britain)

Chalk from the Cretaceous of Britain.



Chalk ("Upper Chalk" Formation, Upper Cretaceous; White Cliffs of Dover, England, southern Britain)

whirlingmerc said:

I think there is plenty of evidence for a global flood if there was a global flood we would expect billions of dead things laid down by water all over the earth... and ... what do we see? Billions of dead things buried in rock layers layer down by water all over the earth?

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Obviously a little tune for first graders, written by sixth graders, and sung by clueless adults.

Why clueless? Because the very thing that gives lie to the flood is right there in the tune itself.

Skwim said:

Obviously a little tune for first graders, written by sixth graders, and sung by clueless adults.

Why clueless? Because the very thing that gives lie to the flood is right there in the tune itself.

Billions of dead things
Buried in rock layers
Laid down by water
All over the Earth

And why are layers important? Because layers only occur through sorting. And how could these "dead things be sorted so all of them only turn up in a particular layer and none other? Only if they were deposited at different times. And receding flood waters simply don't do this: Flood waters don't sort dead animals. Consider the rock layers referred to in your tune, and then consider the life forms in each.

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Crumillospongia Sponge Fossils ONLY appear in the Cambrian layer

The lobe-finned fishes (Sarcopterygii) fossils ONLY appear in the Devonian layer

Apateon pedestris amphibians fossils ONLY appear in the Permian layer

Allosaurus Theropod Dinosaur fossils ONLY appear in the Jurassic layer

Triceratops fossils ONLY appear in the Cretaceous layer

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Great post.. Simple as a symphony!

Dan From Smithville said:

There is no evidence that the Earth experienced a global flood at any time in the last 20,000,000 years. The biblical story is likely a recounting of a regional flood that was of great size, but not global. Considering how little of the world, people of the time knew, a regional flood might have seemed like the whole world.

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Drop the 20,000,000. Never.

MJFlores said:

I made a fact checking
If the people of the old, know about "vapor"

Up to the time of the Renaissance, it was thought that precipitation alone was insufficient to feed rivers, for a complete water cycle, and that underground water pushing upwards from the oceans were the main contributors to river water. Bartholomew of England held this view (1240 CE), as did Leonardo da Vinci (1500 CE) and Athanasius Kircher (1644 CE).

The first published thinker to assert that rainfall alone was sufficient for the maintenance of rivers was Bernard Palissy (1580 CE), who is often credited as the "discoverer" of the modern theory of the water cycle. Palissy's theories were not tested scientifically until 1674, in a study commonly attributed to Pierre Perrault. Even then, these beliefs were not accepted in mainstream science until the early nineteenth century.

Water cycle - Wikipedia

I guess they only knew of it in 1580 CE,
The Book of Genesis was written 1450 BC to 1400 BC.

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None of that is remotely relevant. (try not to let
youtube do your thinking)

From the oldest of times, people have seen
water evaporating. To claim that they did not
know water went into the air is too silly for
even you.

whirlingmerc said:

I think there is plenty of evidence for a global flood if there was a global flood we would expect billions of dead things laid down by water all over the earth... and ... what do we see? Billions of dead things buried in rock layers layer down by water all over the earth?
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fac·ile
/ˈfasəl/
adjective

1. 1.
   (especially of a theory or argument) appearing neat and comprehensive only by ignoring the true complexities of an issue; superficial.

You would make a great doctor.
Cancer causes a lump!
What do we see? A lump!!
The patient has cancer!!

MJFlores said:

Looking for contradictions in history?
Oh the video was from the Canadian Bible Society.
You should ask them, eh?

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Uh no. I'm pointing to the contradictions in your two statements. Could you address that, please?

MJFlores said:

Beats me.
Your American scientists struck water and that is it.
A recent discovery, just 2014

Earth may have underground 'ocean' three times that on surface
Earth may have underground 'ocean' three times that on surface

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That's quite different to what you claimed, which was ....

"The scientific discovery of 2014 about a vast water reservior that could cover the earth's surface 3x over is just amazing."


Also note that this reservoir does not exist in liquid form.

Audie said:

None of that is remotely relevant. (try not to let
youtube do your thinking)

From the oldest of times, people have seen
water evaporating. To claim that they did not
know water went into the air is too silly for
even you.

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I believe I was 20 yo when you just a day old baby.
On that age I was in my senior year, expecting to graduate and take the board exam.
Which I did pass with ease...

Did you major in Anthropology
I know you are atheist but please don't over do it.
Think on my line and dismantle the evidences presented.

Girl, marami ka pang bigas na kakainin. [of course I wrote that in my native tongue]

MJFlores said:

I believe I was 20 yo when you just a day old baby.
On that age I was in my senior year, expecting to graduate and take the board exam.
Which I did pass with ease...

Did you major in Anthropology
I know you are atheist but please don't over do it.
Think on my line and dismantle the evidences presented.

Girl, marami ka pang bigas na kakainin. [of course I wrote that in my native tongue]

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What's your point? You're older so you must be right?

SkepticThinker said:

That's quite different to what you claimed, which was ....

"The scientific discovery of 2014 about a vast water reservior that could cover the earth's surface 3x over is just amazing.

Also note that this reservoir does not exist in liquid form.

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Yes it does not because if it were - you know how molten lava and water mix.


So these water are trapped in rocks and in diamonds.

MJFlores said:

I believe I was 20 yo when you just a day old baby.
On that age I was in my senior year, expecting to graduate and take the board exam.
Which I did pass with ease...

Did you major in Anthropology
I know you are atheist but please don't over do it.
Think on my line and dismantle the evidences presented.

Girl, marami ka pang bigas na kakainin. [of course I wrote that in my native tongue]

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Seems like a weird comment in any language.

In any event, your post has nothing to do with
what I said. Again.

ETA, my Filipina friend tells me it is a metaphor, meaning
I have a long way to go.

True enough, but, in this context, you are still a baby, my friend.

Kangaroo Feathers said:

What's your point? You're older so you must be right?

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No fool like an old fool?

Kangaroo Feathers said:

What's your point? You're older so you must be right?

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Older people should be given courtesy and respect
I'm sure you do that in your country.

In my country we regard our elders with utmost respect.

I did find hostility on her replies.