Good Question

syo · Mar 2, 2019

Skwim said:
Evidently then, you believe priests' have got it wrong. Fair enough.

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Of course they got it wrong. A christian woman told me priests are going to hell. They care about power over simple christians, the more victims the better for them.

syo · Mar 2, 2019

Skwim said:
Evidently then, you believe priests' have got it wrong. Fair enough.

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Why do you think priests care about spreading christianity? they want victims.

Skwim · Mar 2, 2019

syo said:
Why do you think priests care about spreading christianity? they want victims.

How do they victimize them?

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Thief · Mar 3, 2019

Skwim said:
How do they victimize them?

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it's that forked tongue and personality game

someone posing to have authority tells you
nod your head

and you having a trusting spirit .....do so

later.....the angels ask.....
What do you believe?
and your response will make all the difference

then they ask....WHO? told you that
and WHY did you believe it?

they send you to hell
and go looking for the guy that deceived you

syo · Mar 3, 2019

Skwim said:
How do they victimize them?

Priests? They obey what you'll believe.

Bob the Unbeliever · Mar 3, 2019

MJFlores said:
Isn't it that God placed the first man and the first woman in paradise [the Garden of Eden]?

No. There is ample evidence proving that claim is 100% mythical, and never happened.

But let's say it was true: The Eden Story is one of horrific abuse, neglect and terrible parenting-- I'm describing the god character, here. Adam and Eve? Were children-- innocent of any wrongdoing. They were clueless-- literally, they were described as without knowledge of **anything**.

That's how the Eden God creates them-- and then? Has the malicious intent to punish them for behaving exactly as it created them to be!

That is one sick fantasy. That's what that is.

Bob the Unbeliever · Mar 3, 2019

MJFlores said:
What did God first create? Genesis 1:3
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1) You utterly failed to show that your god even exists.
2) Even if a god exists, you failed to who the bible is it's book.
3) You completely fail to show the Universe was, in fact, created in the first place
4) You failed to show your CLAIM was true (bible) -- you cannot use your claim to "prove" your claim.

That's just 4 Logical Fallacies from your first sentence, above. I have no idea how many more Logcial Fallacies you included with the rest of your post-- which I did not bother with.

Seeing as how you began with a blatant fallacy in line 1.

MJFlores · Mar 3, 2019

Bob the Unbeliever said:
No. There is ample evidence proving that claim is 100% mythical, and never happened.

But let's say it was true: The Eden Story is one of horrific abuse, neglect and terrible parenting-- I'm describing the god character, here. Adam and Eve? Were children-- innocent of any wrongdoing. They were clueless-- literally, they were described as without knowledge of **anything**.

That's how the Eden God creates them-- and then? Has the malicious intent to punish them for behaving exactly as it created them to be!

That is one sick fantasy. That's what that is.

Genesis 3:2-20

They were given an single order - "You can eat everything except from that tree"
It was not even a multiple choice questionnaire
Just one thing not to do and they flunked it.

They can think.
They spoke.
They were tempted by the serpent.
They fell for it.
And here we are.

MJFlores · Mar 3, 2019

Bob the Unbeliever said:
1) You utterly failed to show that your god even exists.
2) Even if a god exists, you failed to who the bible is it's book.
3) You completely fail to show the Universe was, in fact, created in the first place
4) You failed to show your CLAIM was true (bible) -- you cannot use your claim to "prove" your claim.

That's just 4 Logical Fallacies from your first sentence, above. I have no idea how many more Logcial Fallacies you included with the rest of your post-- which I did not bother with.

Seeing as how you began with a blatant fallacy in line 1.

1) You utterly failed to show that your god even exists. Romans 1:19

2) Even if a god exists, you failed to who the bible is it's book. Jeremiah 30:2

3) You completely fail to show the Universe was, in fact, created in the first place Hebrews 1:2

4) You failed to show your CLAIM was true (bible) -- you cannot use your claim to "prove" your claim. John 17:17

Or would you rather believe this?
Source: Why the universe shouldn't exist at all (opinion) - CNN

"Why is there something, rather than nothing?" could be the oldest and deepest question in all of metaphysics. Long exclusively the province of philosophy, in recent years this question has become one that can be addressed by scientific methods. What's more, a new scientific advance has made it more likely that we will finally be able to answer this cosmic conundrum. This is a big deal, because the simplest scientific answer to that question is "We shouldn't exist at all."

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If we shouldn't exist as they say
Why are we here? Hebrews 2:6

Thief · Mar 3, 2019

Bob the Unbeliever said:
No. There is ample evidence proving that claim is 100% mythical, and never happened.

But let's say it was true: The Eden Story is one of horrific abuse, neglect and terrible parenting-- I'm describing the god character, here. Adam and Eve? Were children-- innocent of any wrongdoing. They were clueless-- literally, they were described as without knowledge of **anything**.

That's how the Eden God creates them-- and then? Has the malicious intent to punish them for behaving exactly as it created them to be!

That is one sick fantasy. That's what that is.

I have quite a different perspective about that garden event

Adam and Eve didn't fail the test
they passed

and the garden having served it's purpose was dismantled

Thief · Mar 3, 2019

Bob the Unbeliever said:
You completely fail to show the Universe was, in fact, created in the first place

Spirit first

substance is not self creating

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 4, 2019

syo said:
A christian is someone who walks the good path. We are all christians because we walk the good path. When we walk the evil path we are not christians. All people by default are christians.

You are making zero sense.
How could I possibly be a christian when I believe the biblie is a book of imaginary hocus pocus, that jesus was definatly not a god or miracle worker and at best just a human, at worst not even historical, and while I don't believe in anything supernatural or any god or afterlife whatsoever?

An atheist who rejects God and Jesus means that he is a murderer. Are you a murderer?

You say you are not christian. You lie.

If you were trully not christian then you would be a murderer. It's simple.

You do good things means you are a christian. You murder you are NOT christian. You cause misery, you are NOT christian.

Good deeds=christian
bad things=nonchristian

I can say stupid stuff like that also:
"If you are not an atheist you are a murderer! Are you a murderer?
If you do good things you are an atheist. If you do bad things, you are a theist. So, are you a good person?
You're really an atheist."

But the difference between you and me, is that I understand how utterly stupid it is to say such a thing.

And all that, just so you don't have to answer my question......................................

Priests want to control the masses to cover their evil deeds. They say that a christian is one who bows before god and Jesus. That's disgusting. Priests say that deeds don't matter as long as you say you believe in God and Jesus. That's wrong. An old woman I know has told me that priests are going to hell anyway.

You have a weird theology.

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 4, 2019

syo said:
Christian religion says do not murder. what don't you believe? Murder is evil.

Because not allowing murder is exclusively christian

The bible also says it's okay to keep slave and to stone disobedient children, kill witches, etc.

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 4, 2019

FearGod said:
Not to blame religion, brothers fighting each other, people of same faith fighting each other,
if religion is used badly then it doesn't mean religion itself is bad.

Borthers fight with brothers for lots of reasons, religion being just one of them.

None of that negates the fact that religions like christianity and islam, are by their very nature extremely divisive as it splits the world in "followers" and "the rest" - and incudes the belief that "the rest" deserves eternal punishment, just for being part of "the rest".

And that's right out the gates. Then there's also all the explicit intolerance and divisiveness, like in the case of homosexuality.

Shantanu · Mar 4, 2019

TagliatelliMonster said:
Borthers fight with brothers for lots of reasons, religion being just one of them.

None of that negates the fact that religions like christianity and islam, are by their very nature extremely divisive as it splits the world in "followers" and "the rest" - and incudes the belief that "the rest" deserves eternal punishment, just for being part of "the rest".

And that's right out the gates. Then there's also all the explicit intolerance and divisiveness, like in the case of homosexuality.

Your post is confirmation that I must jettison God as an existentialist.

FearGod · Mar 4, 2019

TagliatelliMonster said:
Borthers fight with brothers for lots of reasons, religion being just one of them.

None of that negates the fact that religions like christianity and islam, are by their very nature extremely divisive as it splits the world in "followers" and "the rest" - and incudes the belief that "the rest" deserves eternal punishment, just for being part of "the rest".

And that's right out the gates. Then there's also all the explicit intolerance and divisiveness, like in the case of homosexuality.

We have nationalism, which is much worse than religion in making division.

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 4, 2019

FearGod said:
We have nationalism, which is much worse than religion in making division.

1. You just confirmed that religion is divisive.

2. I never said that religion is the only divisive philosophy that people adhere to.

Pointing to the shortcomings of other worldviews simply to avoid having to talk about the shortcomings of your own, is not a very convincing defense.

FearGod · Mar 4, 2019

TagliatelliMonster said:
1. You just confirmed that religion is divisive.

2. I never said that religion is the only divisive philosophy that people adhere to.

Pointing to the shortcomings of other worldviews simply to avoid having to talk about the shortcomings of your own, is not a very convincing defense.

Diversity is found in all sorts of life, even poor and rich is one that is inevitable.

TagliatelliMonster · Mar 4, 2019

FearGod said:
Diversity is found in all sorts of life, even poor and rich is one that is inevitable.

No idea why you bring that up.

Anything to not address the point I made I guess.

O well

FearGod · Mar 4, 2019

TagliatelliMonster said:
No idea why you bring that up.

Anything to not address the point I made I guess.

O well

You only not getting it I think.
As I said to you, don't blame the knife if misused.

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