Ellen Brown
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One can be Zen without being Buddhist. Perhaps a little more Zen?
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There are things about the Catholics that I find completely inscrutable. Same for the Baptists, and for the Amish, and Buddhists. Just because you lack understanding of another belief does not make you right and them wrong. Perhaps you are not privy to the "why", but can practice obedience? We are here to learn and experience, not to dictate.
Christ heals all wounds and takes all sins away to those who would repent (living or dead).
@2ndpillar, you have made your contempt for our religion clear. I'm sorry you feel the way you do, and I can't help but wonder why. Would you mind explaining the reason behind these strong negative feelings? Also, may I ask which church you are affiliated with, if any?
There is nothing inscrutable about the Catholics. Like the Mormons, they have a power structure based on teacher, and leaders apart from those dictated by Yeshua in Matthew 23:8-11, with Peter being head of the house of David(Isaiah 22:15-25). They also have a confirmation process. And no, I don't understand the reasoning behind the special underwear worn by Mormons, the baptism of the dead, but I have read the Book of Mormon, and visited their Utah edifice, with the graven image on top, along with their Independence presence. And who do you practice obedience too?
If all the dead are judged for their deeds (Revelation 20:13), how is the baptism for the dead going to help them with their existing portfolio of deeds?
Well, to be perfectly honest, it really sounds like you do. So are you currently not affiliated with any Christian denomination?I have no ill will towards the Mormons. I was raised a Roman Catholic, and I have no ill will towards them either.
Well, to be perfectly honest, it really sounds like you do. So are you currently not affiliated with any Christian denomination?
I believe that Jesus Christ told Peter, James and John that He was going to establish His Church. Furthermore, I believe that He meant it and that He actually did so. He was the founder of the Church that bears His name, not Paul or anyone else. You may believe otherwise; it doesn't matter to me. You still haven't answered my question as to which church you affiliate with, even though I've already asked you twice and am now asking a third time. I've noticed that if the Mormons here don't respond to your questions in a satisfactory manner, you're quite quick to point that out. I've only asked you one question and yet you seem pretty determined not to answer it. Dialogues are intended to be two-way discussions, not just interrogations by one party with the other party continually being put on the defensive. I'm not looking for an argument, especially not on the comparative religion forum where the rules state that there is to be no debate, and if you're intent on denigrating my beliefs, I'm simply not interested in further discussion.I think you have missed my point, which is probably not your fault because I generally don't post on this forum (comparative religions), but the "Christians" follow Paul, and his false gospel of grace/cross, which is the image of the beast and the dragon. When Constantine went out to conquer the world, he followed his standard in the shape of a cross. The Catholic padres led the conquistadors of the Holy Roman Spanish conquerors when they terrified the Americas, and they led with a cross. The "Christians" are the bad guys who "wear down the saints" (Daniel 7:25) under the leadership of "another" "king"(Daniel 7:24) , Constantine.
WHAT IN HEAVEN'S NAME ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Good grief, you are even more uninformed about Mormonism than I thought. That is one of the most absurd things I've ever been told about what I "apparently believe."As a Mormon, you apparently believe that some of the surviving saints fled to the Americas and buried their writings for your leader to find.
I believe that Jesus Christ told Peter, James and John that He was going to establish His Church. Furthermore, I believe that He meant it and that He actually did so. He was the founder of the Church that bears His name, not Paul or anyone else. You may believe otherwise; it doesn't matter to me. You still haven't answered my question as to which church you affiliate with, even though I've already asked you twice and am now asking a third time. I've noticed that if the Mormons here don't respond to your questions in a satisfactory manner, you're quite quick to point that out. I've only asked you one question and yet you seem pretty determined not to answer it. Dialogues are intended to be two-way discussions, not just interrogations by one party with the other party continually being put on the defensive. I'm not looking for an argument, especially not on the comparative religion forum where the rules state that there is to be no debate, and if you're intent on denigrating my beliefs, I'm simply not interested in further discussion.
WHAT IN HEAVEN'S NAME ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Good grief, you are even more uninformed about Mormonism than I thought. That is one of the most absurd things I've ever been told about what I "apparently believe."
Uh, yes. I've read The Book of Mormon. Why in the world would you think I hadn't? And from what you've said, my knowledge of what it says clearly exceeds yours by many, many times.Have you even read the book of Mormon?. Supposedly written by Mormon and his son Moroni, giving a historical overview of early Americans and their roots. I mean it has been over 45 years since I have read it, but it seemed from recollection, that the refuges from Jerusalem, went by way of Egypt to the Americas, and Moroni helped write a set of gold plates with the history of the events, which were found and interpreted by Joseph Smith. Golden plates - Wikipedia
Okay, well we're simply going to have to disagree to disagree on who established Jesus Christ's Church here on earth. And I'm still left wondering if you are affiliated with any denomination of Christianity today. I'm gathering, though, that you're probably the one and only members of the Church of the 2ndpillar.As for the "church" founded by Yeshua, it was founded on the Spirit of Revelation, which revealed to Simon bar Jonas, that Yeshua was the anointed one, the son of the living God (Matthew 16:17:18). That would be the "tested stone" "firmly placed" (Isaiah 28:16), which is not "petros"/small stone/Peter, but petras, a foundation stone. Peter was given the keys to the house of David to fulfill Scripture with respect to Shebna, who was made steward of the House of David, who would make a place for himself in the rock, shame his master's house, and be deposed from his office, and cast into a "vast country"/Rome, and who along with his heir/Eliakim/pope, held the key of the house of David, and when he opens no one will shut, but "in that day", he will "fall", and all "hanging" on to him, will be cut off (Isaiah 22:15-25). And no, I do not belong to any of the daughters of Babylon. I either am telling the truth, and if so, those of the light will hear my voice, if they are of the darkness, they will not. I do not require a Joseph Smith, nor a pope to stand on my own two feet. There is only one anointing, and it is from God himself, and not men from the daughters of Babylon (1 John 2:27). The name of the assembly of God is not "Christian" which stems from the term "Christ" which means anointed one. There is no anointed one member church. The congregation of God's people, would be referred to as Zion, as used in Zechariah 2:7, and would be the "few" of Matthew 7:13. Bible Search: zion
You're really clueless, aren't you? Clueless and entirely lacking in civility. At any rate, it's clearly a waste of my time to try to have a conversation with you. So I'm done here.As for your signature line, you might consider coming out of the crowd/church and finding yourself.
God. And yes, that's the same God of the Bible.And who do you practice obedience too?
A spirit still has the ability to make choices.If all the dead are judged for their deeds (Revelation 20:13), how is the baptism for the dead going to help them with their existing portfolio of deeds?
Change of heart-- that's the core of repentance.How do the dead repent, which means to change their ways.
?? Are you meaning to say "Jews" here?As a Mormon, you apparently believe that some of the surviving saints fled to the Americas and buried their writings for your leader to find.
Dude... tone. You sound like a bratty teenager here. Let's talk like adults instead.As for the "church" founded by Yeshua, it was founded on the Spirit of Revelation, which revealed to Simon bar Jonas, that Yeshua was the anointed one, the son of the living God (Matthew 16:17:18). That would be the "tested stone" "firmly placed" (Isaiah 28:16), which is not "petros"/small stone/Peter, but petras, a foundation stone. Peter was given the keys to the house of David to fulfill Scripture with respect to Shebna, who was made steward of the House of David, who would make a place for himself in the rock, shame his master's house, and be deposed from his office, and cast into a "vast country"/Rome, and who along with his heir/Eliakim/pope, held the key of the house of David, and when he opens no one will shut, but "in that day", he will "fall", and all "hanging" on to him, will be cut off (Isaiah 22:15-25). And no, I do not belong to any of the daughters of Babylon. I either am telling the truth, and if so, those of the light will hear my voice, if they are of the darkness, they will not. I do not require a Joseph Smith, nor a pope to stand on my own two feet. There is only one anointing, and it is from God himself, and not men from the daughters of Babylon (1 John 2:27). The name of the assembly of God is not "Christian" which stems from the term "Christ" which means anointed one. There is no anointed one member church. The congregation of God's people, would be referred to as Zion, as used in Zechariah 2:7, and would be the "few" of Matthew 7:13. Bible Search: zion
As for your signature line, you might consider coming out of the crowd/church and finding yourself.
Baptism of the dead is interesting.
Seriously, viole? We've had this conversation before, and I've explained before that we do not believe our underwear to be magic. The fact that you are once again asserting that we do makes me wonder if (1) you're just a slow learner, (2) you think I'm lying about our beliefs, or (3) you think I'm just uninformed about them. Which is it?So is magic underwear.
Ciao
- viole
So is magic underwear.
Ciao
- viole
Do mormons believe in the rapture as do charismatics? I've heard the underwear is rapture proof, is that true?
No.Do mormons beleive in the rapture as do charismatics?
No, we do not believe in "the rapture" so apparently there is no need for "rapture proof underwear."Do mormons beleive in the rapture as do charismatics? I've heard the underwear is rapture proof, is that true?
The Jewish tallit katan, for example, is a white garment worn under the clothing in remembrance of the Lord's commandments (see Exodus 19:6, Numbers 15:38 and Deuteronomy 22:12). It is similar in purpose to the LDS temple garment.