Can An Archangel Convert Anyone?

Like it sounds so potentially inspiring, that Archangel Michael in Daniel 12 comes to bring in the Children of our People before the Tribulation or Revelation 12:7-17 he comes to fight satan in the sky, and to warn there is little time left...

This can also be equated as Kalki, Li Hong, Maitreya, Saoshyant, etc.

Yet people don't want to change, they're happy following what they already think they're meant to; even if there is a prophesied global deception...

So is there really any potential for an Archangel to change anyone?

Revelation 13:10 relates that those who are heading the wrong way, will continue to do so...

Thus is destiny already set, are you all doomed to be ignorant of the global deception, and to not be educatable or is it possible to explain the deception, where we educate mankind to turn it all around?

In my opinion.

wizanda said:

So is there really any potential for an Archangel to change anyone?

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Hopefully there is potential for an archangel to convince people that narcissistic and self-aggrandizing posts are bad. That would spare many people the significant pain of having to read hateful, dismissive rhetoric.

Since most people are unaware here is down near Hell, where satan means an accuser, and devil means a slanderer; most people's immediate response is to slander and accuse...

Which will not win this argument; our reality is about to be destroyed, where after only the saints will remain, and people think this is optional to insult.

Debater Slayer said:

read hateful, dismissive rhetoric.

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It isn't dismissive, it is asking does anyone want help understanding what is going on before the Tribulation...

Since when asking simply with basic theological questions, people generally decide to follow what they've always followed; then the next question is if we raise the bar slightly, do people take it anymore seriously.

Debater Slayer said:

narcissistic and self-aggrandizing

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Like considering this is altruistic, and even the idea of being sent from Heaven to talk with religious people for their benefit...

Just proves the point that people won't listen to an Archangel, and thus why it is easier to remove them from reality.

In my opinion.

I think if I were 'visited' by a true 'Archangel' I think I would take anything he said to heart.

BSM1 said:

I think if I were 'visited' by a true 'Archangel' I think I would take anything he said to heart.

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I'd be wondering if someone slipped me some LSD.

wizanda said:

Like it sounds so potentially inspiring, that Archangel Michael in Daniel 12 comes to bring in the Children of our People before the Tribulation or Revelation 12:7-17 he comes to fight satan in the sky, and to warn there is little time left...

This can also be equated as Kalki, Li Hong, Maitreya, Saoshyant, etc.

Yet people don't want to change, they're happy following what they already think they're meant to; even if there is a prophesied global deception...

So is there really any potential for an Archangel to change anyone?

Revelation 13:10 relates that those who are heading the wrong way, will continue to do so...

Thus is destiny already set, are you all doomed to be ignorant of the global deception, and to not be educatable or is it possible to explain the deception, where we educate mankind to turn it all around?

In my opinion.

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sounds like....que sera sera

maybe.....conversion is up to the receiver.
you could say all manner of things
but if they cannot hear.....nothing will change
hear ....but do not understand......nothing will change
understand....but lack the strength.....nothing will change

kinda like tossing a life line into turbulent waters
and all you can do is hope they have what it takes
to take hold
and then hold on

wizanda said:

Like it sounds so potentially inspiring, that Archangel Michael in Daniel 12 comes to bring in the Children of our People before the Tribulation or Revelation 12:7-17 he comes to fight satan in the sky, and to warn there is little time left...

This can also be equated as Kalki, Li Hong, Maitreya, Saoshyant, etc.

Yet people don't want to change, they're happy following what they already think they're meant to; even if there is a prophesied global deception...

So is there really any potential for an Archangel to change anyone?

Revelation 13:10 relates that those who are heading the wrong way, will continue to do so...

Thus is destiny already set, are you all doomed to be ignorant of the global deception, and to not be educatable or is it possible to explain the deception, where we educate mankind to turn it all around?

In my opinion.

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unless the person is seeking, thirsty, hungry, tired, then a sign post is not relevant. best wishes in your journey


That evening the two angels arrived in Sodom, while Lot was sitting near the city gate. When Lot saw them, he got up, bowed down low, and said, “Gentlemen, I am your servant. Please come to my home. You can wash your feet, spend the night, and be on your way in the morning.” They told him, “No, we’ll spend the night in the city square.” But Lot kept insisting, until they finally agreed and went home with him.


And the old man said, "Peace be to you, just let all your needs be upon me, but do not lodge in the street."
21And he brought him into his house, and gave fodder to the donkeys, and they washed their feet, ate and drank.
22As they were enjoying themselves, and behold, the men of the city, men of wickedness, surrounded the house, (and were) beating at the door. And they spoke to the man, the elderly master of the house, saying, "Bring out the man that came into your house, so that we may be intimate with him."

wizanda said:

Since most people are unaware here is down near Hell, where satan means an accuser, and devil means a slanderer; most people's immediate response is to slander and accuse...

Which will not win this argument; our reality is about to be destroyed, where after only the saints will remain, and people think this is optional to insult.

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You go teach all of those fools, senpai.

It isn't dismissive, it is asking does anyone want help understanding what is going on before the Tribulation...

Since when asking simply with basic theological questions, people generally decide to follow what they've always followed; then the next question is if we raise the bar slightly, do people take it anymore seriously.

Like considering this is altruistic, and even the idea of being sent from Heaven to talk with religious people for their benefit...

Just proves the point that people won't listen to an Archangel, and thus why it is easier to remove them from reality.

In my opinion.

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Have you considered that maybe you're falling for the same cognitive bias you're railing against and refusing to see anything past your beliefs?

wizanda said:

Like it sounds so potentially inspiring, that Archangel Michael in Daniel 12 comes to bring in the Children of our People before the Tribulation or Revelation 12:7-17 he comes to fight satan in the sky, and to warn there is little time left...

This can also be equated as Kalki, Li Hong, Maitreya, Saoshyant, etc.

Yet people don't want to change, they're happy following what they already think they're meant to; even if there is a prophesied global deception...

So is there really any potential for an Archangel to change anyone?

Revelation 13:10 relates that those who are heading the wrong way, will continue to do so...

Thus is destiny already set, are you all doomed to be ignorant of the global deception, and to not be educatable or is it possible to explain the deception, where we educate mankind to turn it all around?

In my opinion.

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Free will is a powerful delusion that causes us to believe the lie (that God isn't in control).

I think I might have to modify my thinking a bit if I literally witnessed a winged angel wielding a flaming sword doing battle with an actual monster in the sky.

That would probably make me consider I might have one or two theological errors in my head.

But direct empirical evidence has a tendency to do that.

Debater Slayer said:

Have you considered that maybe you're falling for the same cognitive bias you're railing against and refusing to see anything past your beliefs?

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Yeah questioned & read many religions globally; constantly reevaluating the whole, to question if it is all logical...

Don't really have beliefs, was told what was in the text, and the texts are consistent with that data...

Since don't mind reevaluating, can try dismantling the concepts that exist, and can't come to another conclusion without being illogical by missing data.

So for example: At 5-6 years old knew Yeshua didn't say "I Am"; it is warned by him to be the deception in Greek in Luke 21:8, Mark 13:5-6, Matthew 24:4-5...

Thus the Gospel of John is clearly fabricated, as it repeatedly uses poor grammatical "I Am" statements to imply he was claiming to be God, when he didn't speak this way in the Synoptic Gospels.

So there is no belief about it, on examining the data, it is shown to be there.... Then can go into loads more detail now, justifying it was all prophesied.

In my opinion.

Flame said:

I'd be wondering if someone slipped me some LSD.

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Hell, I'd be hoping someone slipped me some LSD...just sayin'.

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Acording to the Bible it is the person himself that has to make the change, nobody can do that for us not even an Archangel.
Roman 12:2: quit being fashioned after this world, but be transforme by making your mind over, that you may prove (to yourself) the good and acceptable ....will of God.