Emergence of Bahai'ism

j1i · Aug 13, 2018

duvduv said:
What exactly was the ?

Trailblazer said:
I do not know the answers to [/MEDIA]

shunyadragon said:
Does being mention in then avatar?

Muhammad told us in the hadeeth about the Dajjaal (false liar) which antichrist
The Dajjal is followed by seventy thousand Jews of Isfahan who have the (Phylacteries) Tefillin
(Phylacteries) Tefillin is something They put it on the head
see this picture
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See how they tie their fingers and hands

Dajjaal has miraculous abilities in lying and fraud
He says if you wants to revive your mother and father in order to believe that that i'm the Lord
Then he enters a satan into the body to say, I am your father and I am your mother
Please Believe him, hi is the God
He is our Lord

TransmutingSoul · Aug 13, 2018

j1i said:
Muhammad told us in the hadeeth about the Dajjaal (false liar) which antichrist
The Dajjal is followed by seventy thousand Jews of Isfahan who have the (Phylacteries) Tefillin
(Phylacteries) Tefillin is something They put it on the head
see this picture
Imgur
See how they tie their fingers and hands

Dajjaal has miraculous abilities in lying and fraud
He says if you wants to revive your mother and father in order to believe that that i'm the Lord
Then he enters a satan into the body to say, I am your father and I am your mother
Please Believe him, hi is the God
He is our Lord

The Koran is the key here. Is that hadeeth supported by the Koran?

Peace be with you

j1i · Aug 13, 2018

AntonyBS said:
The Koran is the key here. Is that hadeeth supported by the Koran?

Peace be with you

There is a weak hadith that we do not believe
There is a strong and true hadith
The hadeeth of Musallam and Bukhari are the correct ones as a reference to the hadeeth of Muhammad
The words of Muhammad the words of mankind
The Quran is the Word of God
But Muhammad is a prophet and he does not lie

I want to warn people of Baha'is because their source is Isfahan and the sons of Bahaa lives in Israel
I am not against Israel
But against the Dajjal exit

with respect

TransmutingSoul · Aug 13, 2018

j1i said:
There is a weak hadith that we do not believe
There is a strong and true hadith
The hadeeth of Musallam and Bukhari are the correct ones as a reference to the hadeeth of Muhammad
The words of Muhammad the words of mankind
The Quran is the Word of God
But Muhammad is a prophet and he does not lie

I want to warn people of Baha'is because their source is Isfahan and the sons of Bahaa lives in Israel
I am not against Israel
But against the Dajjal exit

with respect

I still invited you to support that view by the revelation of Muhammad, in the Koran.

How else do we know what is from man and what is from Allah?

It comes back to this quotation in another OP

“And whoever commits a fault or a sin, then accuses of it one innocent, he indeed takes upon himself the burden of a calumny and a manifest sin.” Qur’án 4:112

Peace be with you.

shunyadragon · Aug 13, 2018

j1i said:
Muhammad told us in the hadeeth about the Dajjaal (false liar) which antichrist
The Dajjal is followed by seventy thousand Jews of Isfahan who have the (Phylacteries) Tefillin
(Phylacteries) Tefillin is something They put it on the head
see this picture
Imgur
See how they tie their fingers and hands

Dajjaal has miraculous abilities in lying and fraud
He says if you wants to revive your mother and father in order to believe that that i'm the Lord
Then he enters a satan into the body to say, I am your father and I am your mother
Please Believe him, hi is the God
He is our Lord

The hadith (?) is open to variable interpretation and different versions are in conflict. Your citation is among the most vague, something like the Book of Revelation in the Bible.

Also note: Not all Muslims accept the Hadith, and different divisions of Islam have different Hadith. I personally do not consider it scripture on the level of the Koran, and more commentary on belief.

InvestigateTruth · Aug 13, 2018

j1i said:
Muhammad told us in the hadeeth about the Dajjaal (false liar) which antichrist
The Dajjal is followed by seventy thousand Jews of Isfahan who have the (Phylacteries) Tefillin
(Phylacteries) Tefillin is something They put it on the head
see this picture
Imgur
See how they tie their fingers and hands

Dajjaal has miraculous abilities in lying and fraud
He says if you wants to revive your mother and father in order to believe that that i'm the Lord
Then he enters a satan into the body to say, I am your father and I am your mother
Please Believe him, hi is the God
He is our Lord

Hello, there has never been a Prophet who people did not think he is a liar.
By the way, the Bab, and Bahaullah were not from Isfahan. Bahaullah had an enemy who was from isfahani, and in Bahai writings is known to be the Dajjal:

"A reference to Siyyid Muḥammad-i-Iṣfahání, who is described by Shoghi Effendi as the “Antichrist of the Bahá’í Revelation”. He was a man of corrupt character and great personal ambition who induced Mírzá Yaḥyá to oppose Bahá’u’lláh and to claim prophethood for himself"

Bahá'í Reference Library - The Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Pages 249-250

shunyadragon · Aug 13, 2018

InvestigateTruth said:
Hello, there has never been a Prophet who people did not think he is a liar.
By the way, the Bab, and Bahaullah were not from Isfahan. Bahaullah had an enemy who was from isfahani, and in Bahai writings is known to be the Dajjal:

"A reference to Siyyid Muḥammad-i-Iṣfahání, who is described by Shoghi Effendi as the “Antichrist of the Bahá’í Revelation”. He was a man of corrupt character and great personal ambition who induced Mírzá Yaḥyá to oppose Bahá’u’lláh and to claim prophethood for himself"

Bahá'í Reference Library - The Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Pages 249-250

Great response to the misinformation and misrepresentation of the Baha'i Faith!!!!

shunyadragon · Aug 13, 2018

j1i said:
There is a weak hadith that we do not believe
There is a strong and true hadith
The hadeeth of Musallam and Bukhari are the correct ones as a reference to the hadeeth of Muhammad
The words of Muhammad the words of mankind
The Quran is the Word of God
But Muhammad is a prophet and he does not lie

I want to warn people of Baha'is because their source is Isfahan and the sons of Bahaa lives in Israel
I am not against Israel
But against the Dajjal exit

with respect

Your warning reflects the fear and paranoia of misinformation of those that advocate violence against those that believe differently.

TransmutingSoul · Aug 13, 2018

shunyadragon said:
Great response to the misinformation and misrepresentation of the Baha'i Faith!!!!

I was unaware that some Muslim followers have a very Christain view of evil. The warning came across very evangelistic.

Peace be with all.

shunyadragon · Aug 13, 2018

AntonyBS said:
I was unaware that some Muslim followers have a very Christain view of evil. The warning came across very evangelistic.

Peace be with all.

As in Christianity the views among Muslims concerning evil is varied. Most consider 'evil' an absence of 'good.' Though recently I have seen more descriptions of a more objective evil from Muslims.

Yes contemporary Islam can come across as very evangelistic.

Trailblazer · Aug 13, 2018

I am not very proficient in Bahai history, so any Baha'is here who know about the wives of Baha'u'llah are welcome to come and explain why Baha'u'llah had three wives and what He did with His wives. Meanwhile, I plan to post something from the UHJ.

The poster who questions the "motives" of Baha'u'llah can be replied to on this post: #789 ecco, Today at 4:05 PM

Thanks, Trailblazer

TheBannerofHomuraAkemi · Aug 14, 2018

duvduv said:
What exactly was the historical context for the emergence of Bahai'ism from within the Shi'a sect of islam to the extent where it is considered non-Islamic and heretical to Islam according to both Sunni and Shi'a? Does it share ideas from pre-Islamic mystical Ali veneration or syncretism through contact with Hinduism?

Probably around the time he started calling himself a prophet of God and started saying he was the fulfillment of Christianity and Islam.

j1i · Aug 15, 2018

shunyadragon said:
As in Christianity the views among Muslims concerning evil is varied. Most consider 'evil' an absence of 'good.' Though recently I have seen more descriptions of a more objective evil from Muslims.

Yes contemporary Islam can come across as very evangelistic.

In fact I am not as afraid as I am anxious to give public benefit
In fact, I firmly believe that God is with me and saves me
For I keep the faithfulness of God in the time and place, and do good works

good luck
with respect

j1i · Aug 15, 2018

shunyadragon said:
The hadith (?) is open to variable interpretation and different versions are in conflict. Your citation is among the most vague, something like the Book of Revelation in the Bible.

Also note: Not all Muslims accept the Hadith, and different divisions of Islam have different Hadith. I personally do not consider it scripture on the level of the Koran, and more commentary on belief.

Compilation of Hadiths of the Prophet Muhammad such as Four Evangelists

Christianity does not believe in the Gospel of Barnabas because it speaks of Muhammad

We as Muslims have reliable sources, and sources are unreliable
What I have been told is from the authoritative source

Muhammad talked about many things that have scientific facts
But it is not published positively because it opposes the interests of other religions

Jesus, peace be upon him, preached the Prophet Muhammad and appeared in Barnabas, and I am sure that Barnabas is an original copy
The Dale is the oldest version of Turkey before the time of Muhammad
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duvduv · Aug 16, 2018

I meant to ask what kind of social circumstances led to the emergence of Bahai'ism in Persia specifically in the 19th century. Similarly and much earlier one could ask the same question about social circumstances among the Shia that led to the emergence of the Druze, Awali, Ismaili, etc.

Truthseeker · Aug 16, 2018

duvduv said:
I meant to ask what kind of social circumstances led to the emergence of Bahai'ism in Persia specifically in the 19th century. Similarly and much earlier one could ask the same question about social circumstances among the Shia that led to the emergence of the Druze, Awali, Ismaili, etc.

There was a prophecy that pointed to the year 60, which didn't literally mean the year 60, but it pointed at a year like 1260. There were the Shaykis that prophesized that the promised one would appear in 5he year 1260 and they made other prophesies about the promised one. The Bab revealed a revelation that was suited to the times and as a preparation for He Whom God will make Manifest, which we believe to be Baha'u'llah.

Dawnofhope · Aug 16, 2018

duvduv said:
I meant to ask what kind of social circumstances led to the emergence of Bahai'ism in Persia specifically in the 19th century. Similarly and much earlier one could ask the same question about social circumstances among the Shia that led to the emergence of the Druze, Awali, Ismaili, etc.

The Persian Empire had become a backwater and a shadow of its former glory. The clergy and government were conservative and fanatical. There was a widespread expectation of One who would renew Islam with eschatology around the twelfth Imam or Mahdi.

Muhammad al-Mahdi - Wikipedia

Many Persians recognised a young Persian the Bab (translated means the gate) or Siyyid Ali Muhammad born in Shiraz to be the Promised One.

Báb - Wikipedia

The Life of the Báb | What Bahá’ís Believe

duvduv · Aug 16, 2018

So how did mainstream Shiites waiting for the Promised Mahdi end up as advocates of a new religion headed by the Bab, Siyyid `Alí Muhammad Shírází?? Or was a he just a regular Shiite, but a renegade one?

duvduv · Aug 16, 2018

Truthseeker9 said:
There was a prophecy that pointed to the year 60, which didn't literally mean the year 60, but it pointed at a year like 1260. There were the Shaykis that prophesized that the promised one would appear in 5he year 1260 and they made other prophesies about the promised one. The Bab revealed a revelation that was suited to the times and as a preparation for He Whom God will make Manifest, which we believe to be Baha'u'llah.

So there were no social circumstances involved but merely numerical calculations not unlike the calculations in the same period of people liked Charles Taze Russell in 1843-44?

siti · Aug 16, 2018

duvduv said:
So there were no social circumstances involved but merely numerical calculations not unlike the calculations in the same period of people liked Charles Taze Russell in 1843-44?

You are confused - C.T. Russell wasn't even born until 1852 although he did use similar calculations to arrive at the date for the second coming - which he originally thought was an invisible return that happened in 1874 and later amended to 1914 - to which doctrine Jehovah's Witnesses still hold to this day. But I think you might mean William Miller who did indeed predict a Messianic return in 1843/1844 - and which idea, some years later, the Baha'i movement stole and applied to the Bab.

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