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The word trinity is not even in the bible. The doctrine was never taught by any of the apostles. The apostles were the ones taught by the Messiah, and told to spread the gospel, and teach whatsoever he had commanded them. Show me one scripture that says there is a trinity, or a triune God, or 3 persons in the Godhead. I am not interested in a man made doctrine, taught and forced on the world, hundreds of years after the apostles were dead.
Trinity does not need to be in scripture for the concept to be there
This is the trinity
God/creator: Genesis 1:1-25
Son/Savior: Gospels
Spirit/Truth/love/etc: Romans 8:2-6
Relationship:
(
John 20:17) – I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Ephesians 1:3
And so forth
If you think there is a trinity, then which of the persons is the Father? Is it the one called the Father, or the Holy Spirit, said to be the Father in
Matthew 1:18-20?
Where it says she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.
It's called:
Father/Creator
Son/Savior
Spirit/Love from god through christ to christians
I never used "persons."
God and spirit aren't people.
What about
Colossians 1:14-16 - Who created all things per these verses?
14 by whom we are set free, that is, our sins are forgiven.
15 Christ is the visible likeness of the invisible God. He is the first-born Son, superior to all created things.
This is what I mean by relationship. The likeness defines the relationship among other key words: and/of/as/from
16 For through him God created everything in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen things, including spiritual powers, lords, rulers, and authorities. God created the whole universe through him and for him.
Yes?.....
I will say what you say of the bible is correct. I can't speak for its accuracy outside scripture.
Now compare with
Isaiah 44:24 where YHWH said, I am YHWH that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens
alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth
by myself
24 "I am the Lord, your savior; I am the one who created you. I am the Lord, the Creator of all things. I alone stretched out the heavens; when I made the earth, no one helped me.
Yes?..... Who says you are wrong?
Please don't just ignore the questions. Try to answer them.
Sorry but your reply makes no sense. I also had updated my post, so please reply to the questions I asked, especially regarding the creation.
It took me about a year to understand it. It's not like protestant evangelist churches where they give you a bible and expect god to work through you to understand it. In Catholicism and many liturgical churches (has nothing to do with the denomination itself), it's more private devotion. It's extensively prayer based and the relationship between believer and christ
and god are experienced directly in both body and spirit and mind.
I wasn't indoctrinated; so, the words many Catholics use I had to pick apart. I spoke with a priest and asked him about the trinity in relationship with the Eucharist. I said, "do you guys
really believe the bread and wine
are christ body/flesh and blood.
He laughed. Of course not.
This is a good little tidbit. Eucharist
Essene and Accidents
As for the trinity, it's like the Eucharist. Christ in communion. Communion to the people. Bonds the people as one body in christ.
I HAVE shown you scriptures, showing that the Father is the Holy Spirit - not another person. I am not trying to show you No relationship. I am trying to show you that there is only one God. God said I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh. Paul said to us there is but one God, the Father. God is a Spirit - not 3 persons!
John 4:24
Forget the word "person."
Relationship (def): the way in which two or more concepts, objects, or people are connected, or the state of being connected.
Where in scripture does it save the creator, savior, and spirit have
nothing to do with each other?
Just because 1 Corinthians 13:14 mentions different titles doesn't mean there are 3 persons. That was what I was trying to show you when I gave those verses from Revelation.
They were examples of where it sort of sounds like it could be more than one, yet it would say him (singular).
Never said persons. Chuck that word.
Yeah. Christianity words are interesting. The latter is how one would describe the trinity. I'm taking out the metaphors.
For example what about
Matthew 28:19 vs
Luke 24:47 ?
Different accounts about the very same event. They have to mean the same thing. Look and see how the apostles, who were there, and had been taught by him, and knew what he meant, carried out the commands in the book of Acts. There are no examples in the scripture where they ever baptized anyone in the trinitarian formula. They always baptized in the name of the one that shed the blood.
19 Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,
Trinitarians use
and because it is a conjunction word showing the relationship between three (whatever word you want to put here) as one unit.
There are no examples in the scripture where they ever baptized anyone in the trinitarian formula
Mathews 28:19 (
edit: Translation differences)
47 and in his name the message about repentance and the forgiveness of sins must be preached to all nations, beginning in Jerusalem. -and- "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit."