Modern man like footprints found, evolution theory in doubt.

dad1 said:

Sorry no idea what you are taking about. Perhaps you feel that using capitol letters is mocking some disability?

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You know it so don't play dumb... Or perhaps you are not playing.

We have already established your lack of empathy, no need to shout it to the world

Edit, your selective memory is your undoing, you have already admitted knowing what i am talking about. Please be honest

dad1 said:

We know the continents moved and mountains raised in many cases. How fast is not known by science. The flood is not something science deals with knows about, or has anything to say about.
Yes they do...so? What has that got to do with the KT era worldwide flood of Noah?

Break? Why would we see that? If mankind and most animals could not leave remains in the former nature why would we expect some 'break'? We started to be able to leave remains as the nature allowed.
The same nature in the past...no evidence...ZZzzzzz
What claim? That the bible indicates nature was not the same, and therefore all things we know that happened like uplift, drift..etc could have been rapid??

Science doesn't know what the nature was like so either we admit that and just be ignorant, or we avail ourselves of the actual record God left us of that time.

Here are some reasons listed as to how the bible record indicates a different state in the past than we now have.

montaintwentyone

What Hebrew dates are you talking about and why?
There is NO DNA from pre KT layer is there? Sorry, but we just do not know modern genetics was the same as what we had then. Try talking from knowledge rather than hunches eh?

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Yes maintains raised.. . everest has risen approximately 30 feet since the claimed time of noahs flood. (That still makes 80,000 times more water than has ever existed on earth to create a flood as described in the babble). The reason being that about sixty million years ago, the India plate collided Euro Asia plate. The India plate is moving at a fairly constant 15 cm a year. Rapidly in continental drift speeds but still thousands of times slower than a snail.


Yes, floods are something several fields of science deal with, what they don't deal with is woo.

The KT event (not era) was caused by an iridium asteroid hitting the area of Yucatán peninsula about 65 million years ago. What has this to do with the flood myth of 4500 years ago. Interesting that you use scientific discoveries to deny science, kind of hypocritical don't you think?

You said there was expected to be a break in the fossil record, are you contradicting yourself now?

List which verses of the bible say nature was different. You made the claim now be honest for once in your life and provided verse numbers, this is the second time of asking.

Science through the study of rocks knows what nature was like from before the earth coalesced to now. As yet you have provided nothing to show this different nature. How was it different? Were the rocks jello based and life based on chocolate bonbons . How was it different?.

A made up, free wix site doesn't actually improve your claim. For all i know you just spent the last five minutes cobbling it together. After all it does have exactly the same style sheet and background image as other sites you have tried to palm off as genuine.

Your Bible, 85% of your bible anyway is selectively cloned from Hebrew scripture, including the Noah story. The dates they use, not the made up woo based on ignorance of the bible that you use

Once again you are using science to diss science. At the time of the kt event humans had not evolved, they would not evolve for 60+ million years, how could they build a boat if they did not even exist?

dad1 said:

If they were here and used in the processes of the former nature, then yes, the ratios are expected. The only issue is what state existed, what forces were here acting upon those atoms? We don't know. All we know is what acts now.

You need to demonstrate that this same nature existed so that the same forces were here and acting on the ratios! Otherwise you must face the music.

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Why are the ratios expected?

dad1 said:

I think we see your concept of evidence by your posts. Namely, you have none, and don't care and enjoy talking despite this.

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Once again, you are speaking of yourself.

dad1 said:

Ro 12:21 - Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

I try.

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Proverbs 18:2

Proverbs 26:11

Tiberius said:

Why are the ratios expected?

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I can answer that. Because if we do not "expect" what is observed in the real world then his myths are false. In other words they were expected because the Bible would be wrong if they weren't., and the Bible can't be wrong . . . or can it be? Sadly dad assumes that the Bible has to be right and everything else is simply "expected" because he needs his myths to be true. It is truly convoluted reasoning.

ChristineM said:

Yes maintains raised.. . everest has risen approximately 30 feet since the claimed time of noahs flood. (That still makes 80,000 times more water than has ever existed on earth to create a flood as described in the babble). The reason being that about sixty million years ago, the India plate collided Euro Asia plate. The India plate is moving at a fairly constant 15 cm a year. Rapidly in continental drift speeds but still thousands of times slower than a snail.


Yes, floods are something several fields of science deal with, what they don't deal with is woo.

The KT event (not era) was caused by an iridium asteroid hitting the area of Yucatán peninsula about 65 million years ago. What has this to do with the flood myth of 4500 years ago. Interesting that you use scientific discoveries to deny science, kind of hypocritical don't you think?

You said there was expected to be a break in the fossil record, are you contradicting yourself now?

List which verses of the bible say nature was different. You made the claim now be honest for once in your life and provided verse numbers, this is the second time of asking.

Science through the study of rocks knows what nature was like from before the earth coalesced to now. As yet you have provided nothing to show this different nature. How was it different? Were the rocks jello based and life based on chocolate bonbons . How was it different?.

A made up, free wix site doesn't actually improve your claim. For all i know you just spent the last five minutes cobbling it together. After all it does have exactly the same style sheet and background image as other sites you have tried to palm off as genuine.

Your Bible, 85% of your bible anyway is selectively cloned from Hebrew scripture, including the Noah story. The dates they use, not the made up woo based on ignorance of the bible that you use

Once again you are using science to diss science. At the time of the kt event humans had not evolved, they would not evolve for 60+ million years, how could they build a boat if they did not even exist?

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Dad1 is trying to convince us that 65 million years ago is really 4500 years ago.

I have not met a more dishonest and uneducated (in science) creationist, ever!

If I met him 32 years ago, I would have stopped believing in the bible a lot longer than I did. I have not heard so much craps.

gnostic said:

Dad1 is trying to convince us that 65 million years ago is really 4500 years ago.

I have not met a more dishonest and uneducated (in science) creationist, ever!

If I met him 32 years ago, I would have stopped believing in the bible a lot longer than I did. I have not heard so much craps.

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I'm not sure if he believes his own nonesence or if he's just a troll.

Subduction Zone said:

Poor dad, still breaking the Ninth Commandment.

Would you care to learn about evidence? Unlike you I am not afraid.

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Yet you posted nothing from your video. Is that because you cannot discuss and defend anything at all in it?

ChristineM said:

You know it so don't play dumb... Or perhaps you are not playing.

We have already established your lack of empathy, no need to shout it to the world

Edit, your selective memory is your undoing, you have already admitted knowing what i am talking about. Please be honest

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Sorry, no idea what you are talking about.

dad1 said:

Sorry, no idea what you are talking about.

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Deliberate ignorance is a tool of the troll

ChristineM said:

Yes maintains raised.. . everest has risen approximately 30 feet since the claimed time of noahs flood. (That still makes 80,000 times more water than has ever existed on earth to create a flood as described in the babble). The reason being that about sixty million years ago, the India plate collided Euro Asia plate. The India plate is moving at a fairly constant 15 cm a year. Rapidly in continental drift speeds but still thousands of times slower than a snail.

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It is of no relevance how fast any current residual little moves in plates are. You claim Everest grew 30 feet since the KT layer?

Yes, floods are something several fields of science deal with, what they don't deal with is woo.

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False, not the flood of Noah, they are in the dark and don'r even know what to look for, where or when.

The KT event (not era) was caused by an iridium asteroid hitting the area of Yucatán peninsula about 65 million years ago.

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I agree. The iridium probably came from the fountain of the deep and space. I have not seen anyone rule out that the crater remains there may have been a fountain of the deep, with the impact from below up to space. Science has so many assumptions, so little facts.

What has this to do with the flood myth of 4500 years ago. Interesting that you use scientific discoveries to deny science, kind of hypocritical don't you think?

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In real time yes about that long ago. In same state based so called science time, it is more like 70,000,000 years ago. You need to specify whether you are using real time of fake news science imaginary time!

You said there was expected to be a break in the fossil record, are you contradicting yourself now?

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?? A break?? If you mean a point where most animals and man could not leave fossilized remains due to the former nature existing...yes. That 'break'. is before we started being able to leave any remains.

List which verses of the bible say nature was different. You made the claim now be honest for once in your life and provided verse numbers, this is the second time of asking.

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Did I not give the link with the short PDF listing this?? The fast tree growth, long lifespans, and angels marrying women etc. For fast tree growth look at the frst chapter of the bible. A garden was PLANTED, and man ate the fruit of trees days later! Also Noah was comforted to leave the ark when a new leaf from a tree was brought to him a week after there was none.

For life spans, that is in Genesis also. Same with the sons of God taking wives here. I believe the references for the verses are in the link I gave.

Science through the study of rocks knows what nature was like from before the earth coalesced to now.

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Ridiculous. Nothing in a rock tells us what forces and laws existed then.

As yet you have provided nothing to show this different nature. How was it different? Were the rocks jello based and life based on chocolate bonbons . How was it different?.

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Doesn't matter. The results are such that it could not be the same. It is science that gave us precise models and claims all based on that same state in the past. The issue is not whether they know what the different state was like. They would win this debate by simply proving it was the same. They lose it by failing to do that. Hoo ha.

A made up, free wix site doesn't actually improve your claim. For all i know you just spent the last five minutes cobbling it together. After all it does have exactly the same style sheet and background image as other sites you have tried to palm off as genuine.

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I posted a document link, not offered a site.

Your Bible, 85% of your bible anyway is selectively cloned from Hebrew scripture, including the Noah story. The dates they use, not the made up woo based on ignorance of the bible that you use

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Rather than talk turkey about your claims of a nature being a certain way you descend into strange little rants on the bible?

Once again you are using science to diss science.

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Flattery will get you nowhere.

At the time of the kt event humans had not evolved, they would not evolve for 60+ million years, how could they build a boat if they did not even exist?

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Circular. The reason you think they did not exist is because they could not leave fossilized remains as some creatures could at that time...because you believe the same nature existed!

ChristineM said:

Deliberate ignorance is a tool of the troll

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Vague accusations of being some sort of hateful meanie should be accompanied by some details.

Tiberius said:

Why are the ratios expected?

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I would expect that the ratios that exist would be expected. After all we have no reason to assume that they should not. Why would I question what exists? Now the reason they exist, that is, what they were doing exactly in the former nature...what process they were then involved in...we don't know. All we know is what they are up to now.

gnostic said:

Dad1 is trying to convince us that 65 million years ago is really 4500 years ago.

I have not met a more dishonest and uneducated (in science) creationist, ever!

If I met him 32 years ago, I would have stopped believing in the bible a lot longer than I did. I have not heard so much craps.

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The inability to admit science doesn't know and is wildly wrong on dates and creation issues can is not an excuse to disbelieve God. Why not just admit we do what we really wanted to?

dad1 said:

It is of no relevance how fast any current residual little moves in plates are. You claim Everest grew 30 feet since the KT layer?

False, not the flood of Noah, they are in the dark and don'r even know what to look for, where or when.
I agree. The iridium probably came from the fountain of the deep and space. I have not seen anyone rule out that the crater remains there may have been a fountain of the deep, with the impact from below up to space. Science has so many assumptions, so little facts.
In real time yes about that long ago. In same state based so called science time, it is more like 70,000,000 years ago. You need to specify whether you are using real time of fake news science imaginary time!
?? A break?? If you mean a point where most animals and man could not leave fossilized remains due to the former nature existing...yes. That 'break'. is before we started being able to leave any remains.

Did I not give the link with the short PDF listing this?? The fast tree growth, long lifespans, and angels marrying women etc. For fast tree growth look at the frst chapter of the bible. A garden was PLANTED, and man ate the fruit of trees days later! Also Noah was comforted to leave the ark when a new leaf from a tree was brought to him a week after there was none.

For life spans, that is in Genesis also. Same with the sons of God taking wives here. I believe the references for the verses are in the link I gave.
Ridiculous. Nothing in a rock tells us what forces and laws existed then.
Doesn't matter. The results are such that it could not be the same. It is science that gave us precise models and claims all based on that same state in the past. The issue is not whether they know what the different state was like. They would win this debate by simply proving it was the same. They lose it by failing to do that. Hoo ha.
I posted a document link, not offered a site.
Rather than talk turkey about your claims of a nature being a certain way you descend into strange little rants on the bible?
Flattery will get you nowhere.
Circular. The reason you think they did not exist is because they could not leave fossilized remains as some creatures could at that time...because you believe the same nature existed!

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No, 30 feet since the claimed time of Noah's flood, Everest or the Himalayas didn't exist at the time of the kt event. Read a history book or two.

Are you really this ignorant of reality?

You are talking nonsense and repeating yourself. I bore of your unsubstantiated idiocy that actually makes no since whatsoever, it denies history, science, logic, even religion. I don't know what your game is but you have a rather pathetic excuse for a religious faith

dad1 said:

Vague accusations of being some sort of hateful meanie should be accompanied by some details.

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Nothing vague about it, the evidence is on the nonsense you post

dad1 said:

Yet you posted nothing from your video. Is that because you cannot discuss and defend anything at all in it?

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I will be happy to, but first you need to learn some of the basics.

Why are you so afraid to learn what even evidence is? Do you think that keeping yourself ignorant means that you are not lying when you make false claims?

dad1 said:

The inability to admit science doesn't know and is wildly wrong on dates and creation issues can is not an excuse to disbelieve God. Why not just admit we do what we really wanted to?

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Your inability to admit facts is your downfall

Yes science does know, that you ignore the facts, make up nonsense to please yourself then lie about science shows exactly what you are

dad1 said:

I would expect that the ratios that exist would be expected. After all we have no reason to assume that they should not. Why would I question what exists? Now the reason they exist, that is, what they were doing exactly in the former nature...what process they were then involved in...we don't know. All we know is what they are up to now.

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So you admit that you don't know why the ratios are what we see them to be.

And yet, you must claim that it's all a big coincidence that they are the values that they are.

However, radioactive decay explains it perfectly.

So you would have us abandon a testable and accurate idea in favour of your childish fairy tales.

And you wonder why we laugh at you?