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Can a Sitting President Be Criminally Indicted?

Can a sitting President be criminally indicted and prosecuted?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 70.0%
  • No

    Votes: 6 30.0%

  • Total voters
    20
  • Poll closed .

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Under the circumstances--i.e., the investigation being conducted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller--the question of whether an incumbent President can be indicted and prosecuted for his private criminal acts (acts not undertaken in his official capacity) has become more acute than it normally is. It is an open question, having never been answered by the Court (or any US court). But several legal scholars et al. have chewed on the issue over the years. As Nixon's Solicitor General, Robert Bork gave us the 1973 “Agnew Memo” in which he concluded that a Vice President can be indicted but a President cannot. In the case of the latter, Bork's fall-back argument was that it would be fruitless to indict a sitting President as s/he could always just pardon himself. However, pardoning oneself violates one of the most fundamental legal precepts proscribing judicial conflict of interest, namely that no one can judge a case in which s/he is a party. Nemo judex in causa sua is how you say it in Latin, and we should all say things in Latin as often as possible. If a sitting President being prosecuted or under threat of indictment were to grant himself a pardon, I strongly doubt any court would consider it grounds to halt the legal process. In Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, the Constitution explicitly excludes the presidential pardon in the case of impeachment, and simply never mentions criminal prosecution of the President or any other civil officer prior to impeachment. The provisions of Article I, Section 3, Clause 7 limiting impeachment to removal from office and stipulating that an impeached official is nevertheless “liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law” are readily understood as merely eliminating double jeopardy for prosecutions after impeachment.

The question of presidential immunity from criminal indictment and prosecution similarly became a hot topic during the Clinton years. Yale Law School professors Akhil Reed Amar and Brian Kalt published an article in 1997 advocating that the President uniquely enjoys a temporary privilege from prosecution while in office. Just last week Charlie Savage of the New York Times recovered a very thorough opinion on the subject by the poetically named professor Ronald Rotunda, requested by Independent Counsel Kenneth Star in 1998. Rotunda concluded that “President Clinton is subject to criminal indictment and criminal prosecution, although it may be the case that he could not be imprisoned . . . until after he leaves that office. A criminal prosecution and conviction (with imprisonment delayed) does not, in the words of Nixon v. Sirica, 'compete with the impeachment device by working a constructive removal of the President from office.'”

The argument advanced by Amar and Kalt essentially rests on two standard premises: One, that prosecution of the President would cause an impermissible interference with his ability to perform the necessary duties of the office. (“When . . . the President is being prosecuted, the presidency itself is being prosecuted. [. . .] If he is arrested, so too is the executive branch of the government.”) This article was published just 4 months prior to the Supreme Court's unanimous decision in Clinton v. Jones, in which the Court affirmed the Eighth Circuit's rejection of these arguments from Clinton. Referring to the Eighth Circuit's holding, the syllabus succinctly explains “that the President, like other officials, is subject to the same laws that apply to all citizens, that no case had been found in which an official was granted immunity from suit for his unofficial acts, and that the rationale for official immunity is inapposite where only personal, private conduct by a President is at issue. The [Eighth Circuit] also rejected the argument that, unless immunity is available, the threat of judicial interference with the Executive Branch would violate separation of powers.”

The second premise that Amar and Kalt urge is just a generic separation-of-powers objection with a lemon twist, in which they propose that if the Independent Counsel were part of the DOJ, there wouldn't be a separation-of-powers problem. This renders that premise moot, given that the Independent Counsel statute they refer to has expired, and the office of the Special Counsel is now part of the DOJ.

Rotunda begins with arguments that are powerful in their simplicity. The Constitution's single impeachment clause (Article II, Section 4) lists the President along with the Vice President and “all civil officers of the United States.” It isn't uncommon for judges to be criminally prosecuted before they are impeached. The Constitution gives the President no special immunity in this regard, even while Article I, Section 6 provides members of Congress with specific narrow privilege from arrest (except for treason, felony and breach of peace) when in session, and immunity regarding their speech or debate on the floor. Thus, the Framers obviously knew how to write a provision immunizing officials from prosecution, but did not include such a provision for the President.

These arguments are lifted directly from the DC Appeals Court per curiam in Nixon v. Sirica, holding that the Constitution did not protect Nixon from ordinary court process--he had to turn over the subpoenaed tapes to Archibald Cox's grand jury:

The Constitution makes no mention of special presidential immunities. Indeed, the Executive Branch generally is afforded none. This silence cannot be ascribed to oversight. James Madison raised the question of Executive privileges during the Constitutional Convention,[43] and Senators and Representatives enjoy an express, if limited, immunity from arrest, and an express privilege from inquiry concerning "Speech and Debate" on the floors of Congress.[44] Lacking textual support, counsel for the President nonetheless would have us infer immunity from the President's political mandate, or from his vulnerability to impeachment, or from his broad discretionary powers. These are invitations to refashion the Constitution, and we reject them.

Though the President is elected by nationwide ballot, and is often said to represent all the people,[45] he does not embody the nation's sovereignty.[46] He is not above the law's commands: "With all its defects, delays and inconveniences, men have discovered no technique for long preserving free government except that the Executive be under the law . . .."[47] Sovereignty remains at all times with the people, and they do not forfeit through elections the right to have the law construed against and applied to every citizen.​

Nixon v. Sirica

Of course, the DC court makes clear that it is not reviewing a question as to whether the President is subject to criminal procedure.

Rotunda makes a number of other arguments, including pointing out the basic incoherency or implausiblity of a President having“temporary immunity” from criminal prosecution while in office. Postponing a prosecution for 4 or 8 years is certainly likely to weaken any such prosecution, as memories fade and witnesses die. Such “temporary immunity” would violate the Sixth Amendment guarantee of a speedy trial.

Rotunda's list of criminal prosecutions of chief executives of other countries is also informative. He notes that he was “unable to find any instances where a democracy -- even a democracy that recognizes a King or Queen -- has immunized its Chief Executive Officer from criminal conduct simply because he or she is the Chief Executive Officer.”

So can a sitting President be indicted and prosecuted for his/her unofficial acts?
 
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Brickjectivity

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Premium Member
I have a multi-part question. If Congress opens a session to impeach, does that happen outside of the normal court process? Is it a separate court from other courts? I'm asking because I've been told that courts only adjourn and never close or open, that every day in court is part of one long process. All courts share case precedents; so would a criminal case against the president be part of the normal court process and not a fresh court beholden to no precedents or would it be a fresh court with no history? If Congress has power to open more than one court, then can it do that for impeaching presidents, separate courts with separate rules?
 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I have a multi-part question. If Congress opens a session to impeach, does that happen outside of the normal court process? Is it a separate court from other courts? I'm asking because I've been told that courts only adjourn and never close or open, that every day in court is part of one long process. All courts share case precedents; so would a criminal case against the president be part of the normal court process and not a fresh court beholden to no precedents or would it be a fresh court with no history? If Congress has power to open more than one court, then can it do that for impeaching presidents, separate courts with separate rules?
Impeachment by the House and conviction by the Senate is not a criminal proceeding--it's merely a mechanism to remove that official from office. That's why the officials who are impeached, convicted and removed from office can then be criminally prosecuted.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
Under the circumstances--i.e., the investigation being conducted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller--the question of whether an incumbent President can be indicted and prosecuted for his private criminal acts (acts not undertaken in his official capacity) has become more acute than it normally is. It is an open question, having never been answered by the Court (or any US court). But several legal scholars et al. have chewed on the issue over the years. As Nixon's Solicitor General, Robert Bork gave us the 1973 “Agnew Memo” in which he concluded that a Vice President can be indicted but a President cannot. In the case of the latter, Bork's fall-back argument was that it would be fruitless to indict a sitting President as s/he could always just pardon himself. However, pardoning oneself violates one of the most fundamental legal precepts proscribing judicial conflict of interest, namely that no one can judge a case in which s/he is a party. Nemo judex in causa sua is how you say it in Latin, and we should all say things in Latin as often as possible. If a sitting President being prosecuted or under threat of indictment were to grant himself a pardon, I strongly doubt any court would consider it grounds to halt the legal process. In Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, the Constitution explicitly excludes the presidential pardon in the case of impeachment, and simply never mentions criminal prosecution of the President or any other civil officer prior to impeachment. The provisions of Article I, Section 3, Clause 7 limiting impeachment to removal from office and stipulating that an impeached official is nevertheless “liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law” are readily understood as merely eliminating double jeopardy for prosecutions after impeachment.

The question of presidential immunity from criminal indictment and prosecution similarly became a hot topic during the Clinton years. Yale Law School professors Akhil Reed Amar and Brian Kalt published an article in 1997 advocating that the President uniquely enjoys a temporary privilege from prosecution while in office. Just last week Charlie Savage of the New York Times recovered a very thorough opinion on the subject by the poetically named professor Ronald Rotunda, requested by Independent Counsel Kenneth Star in 1998. Rotunda concluded that “President Clinton is subject to criminal indictment and criminal prosecution, although it may be the case that he could not be imprisoned . . . until after he leaves that office. A criminal prosecution and conviction (with imprisonment delayed) does not, in the words of Nixon v. Sirica, 'compete with the impeachment device by working a constructive removal of the President from office.'”

The argument advanced by Amar and Kalt essentially rests on two standard premises: One, that prosecution of the President would cause an impermissible interference with his ability to perform the necessary duties of the office. (“When . . . the President is being prosecuted, the presidency itself is being prosecuted. [. . .] If he is arrested, so too is the executive branch of the government.”) This article was published just 4 months prior to the Supreme Court's unanimous decision in Clinton v. Jones, in which the Court affirmed the Eighth Circuit's rejection of these arguments from Clinton. Referring to the Eighth Circuit's holding, the syllabus succinctly explains “that the President, like other officials, is subject to the same laws that apply to all citizens, that no case had been found in which an official was granted immunity from suit for his unofficial acts, and that the rationale for official immunity is inapposite where only personal, private conduct by a President is at issue. The [Eighth Circuit] also rejected the argument that, unless immunity is available, the threat of judicial interference with the Executive Branch would violate separation of powers.”

The second premise that Amar and Kalt urge is just a generic separation-of-powers objection with a lemon twist, in which they propose that if the Independent Counsel were part of the DOJ, there wouldn't be a separation-of-powers problem. This renders that premise moot, given that the Independent Counsel statute they refer to has expired, and the office of the Special Counsel is now part of the DOJ.

Rotunda begins with arguments that are powerful in their simplicity. The Constitution's single impeachment clause (Article II, Section 4) lists the President along with the Vice President and “all civil officers of the United States.” It isn't uncommon for judges to be criminally prosecuted before they are impeached. The Constitution gives the President no special immunity in this regard, even while Article I, Section 6 provides members of Congress with specific narrow privilege from arrest (except for treason, felony and breach of peace) when in session, and immunity regarding their speech or debate on the floor. Thus, the Framers obviously knew how to write a provision immunizing officials from prosecution, but did not include such a provision for the President.

These arguments are lifted directly from the DC Appeals Court per curiam in Nixon v. Sirica, holding that the Constitution did not protect Nixon from ordinary court process--he had to turn over the subpoenaed tapes to Archibald Cox's grand jury:

The Constitution makes no mention of special presidential immunities. Indeed, the Executive Branch generally is afforded none. This silence cannot be ascribed to oversight. James Madison raised the question of Executive privileges during the Constitutional Convention,[43] and Senators and Representatives enjoy an express, if limited, immunity from arrest, and an express privilege from inquiry concerning "Speech and Debate" on the floors of Congress.[44] Lacking textual support, counsel for the President nonetheless would have us infer immunity from the President's political mandate, or from his vulnerability to impeachment, or from his broad discretionary powers. These are invitations to refashion the Constitution, and we reject them.

Though the President is elected by nationwide ballot, and is often said to represent all the people,[45] he does not embody the nation's sovereignty.[46] He is not above the law's commands: "With all its defects, delays and inconveniences, men have discovered no technique for long preserving free government except that the Executive be under the law . . .."[47] Sovereignty remains at all times with the people, and they do not forfeit through elections the right to have the law construed against and applied to every citizen.​

Nixon v. Sirica

Of course, the DC court makes clear that it is not reviewing a question as to whether the President is subject to criminal procedure.

Rotunda makes a number of other arguments, including pointing out the basic incoherency or implausiblity of a President having“temporary immunity” from criminal prosecution while in office. Postponing a prosecution for 4 or 8 years is certainly likely to weaken any such prosecution, as memories fade and witnesses die. Such “temporary immunity” would violate the Sixth Amendment guarantee of a speedy trial.

Rotunda's list of criminal prosecutions of chief executives of other countries is also informative. He notes that he was “unable to find any instances where a democracy -- even a democracy that recognizes a King or Queen -- has immunized its Chief Executive Officer from criminal conduct simply because he or she is the Chief Executive Officer.”

So can a sitting President be indicted and prosecuted for his/her unofficial acts?
No. Because the question above is a question of law that is not justiciable.

Because to answer it might interfere with the impeachment process.
 

Brickjectivity

One
Staff member
Premium Member
It does not look like an impeachment is coming. Of course with my political instincts that means its likely.
Newsweek page linked below June 2017 said:
Leading Democrats are still urging caution on open talk of impeachment, while there is no suggestion yet of Republicans getting on board. However, political pressure could begin to tell. In a special election in Georgia later this month,
(from Trump impeachment calls surge with president facing the ‘most serious scandal’ in U.S. history)
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Seems to me that it would be messy and cause legal issues to forgo the impeachment process first.

Otherwise you'll have a sitting president behind bars? You basically have the judicial branch usurping the powers of the legislative branch.

Congress has their own procedure for dealing with a sitting president. They are the only one capable of removing the president from office.

You'd try and convict the president, and punish the president whereas congress says he still holds all the powers of the office.

Though I suppose the punishment could be probation, house arrest, fine. Or perhaps even a delay of sentence. Then on the last day of their term, step down and have the vice president, now president pardon them.

Not likely they would ever serve any jail time if not impeached first.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
Seems to me that it would be messy and cause legal issues to forgo the impeachment process first.

Otherwise you'll have a sitting president behind bars? You basically have the judicial branch usurping the powers of the legislative branch.

Congress has their own procedure for dealing with a sitting president. They are the only one capable of removing the president from office.

You'd try and convict the president, and punish the president whereas congress says he still holds all the powers of the office.

Though I suppose the punishment could be probation, house arrest, fine. Or perhaps even a delay of sentence. Then on the last day of their term, step down and have the vice president, now president pardon them.

Not likely they would ever serve any jail time if not impeached first.
I don't think nous is dealing with sentencing. In theory, sentencing could wait until after the president left office. The question is can they be indicted/prosecuted before they leave office?
 

Brickjectivity

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Premium Member
The question is, can the president be indicted/prosecuted without being impeached?
Nous mentioned Robert Bork's opinion and his own disagreement with Robert Bork:
As Nixon's Solicitor General, Robert Bork gave us the 1973 “Agnew Memo” in which he concluded that a Vice President can be indicted but a President cannot. In the case of the latter, Bork's fall-back argument was that it would be fruitless to indict a sitting President as s/he could always just pardon himself. However, pardoning oneself violates one of the most fundamental legal precepts proscribing judicial conflict of interest, namely that no one can judge a case in which s/he is a party. Nemo judex in causa sua is how you say it in Latin, and we should all say things in Latin as often as possible. If a sitting President being prosecuted or under threat of indictment were to grant himself a pardon, I strongly doubt any court would consider it grounds to halt the legal process. In Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, the Constitution explicitly excludes the presidential pardon in the case of impeachment, and simply never mentions criminal prosecution of the President or any other civil officer prior to impeachment.
So its betweek Nous and Robert Bork. There is a difference sometimes between the plan and the skirmish. So Bork lays out the plan - that the president can pardon itself. Nous describes what he thinks will really happen -- that the courts won't accept a president pardoning itself.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
Nous mentioned Robert Bork's opinion and his own disagreement with Robert Bork:

So its betweek Nous and Robert Bork. There is a difference sometimes between the plan and the skirmish. So Bork lays out the plan - that the president can pardon itself. Nous describes what he thinks will really happen -- that the courts won't accept a president pardoning itself.
Bork was addressing the same question. You seem to be talking about impeachment. That is all.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I don't think nous is dealing with sentencing. In theory, sentencing could wait until after the president left office. The question is can they be indicted/prosecuted before they leave office?

Yes, I think I talked myself into reversing my opinion. Still I think it is likely they would be pardoned if convicted. Whereas if you remove them first, it'd be less likely.

I suppose you could remove them afterwards too, but no guarantee congress will do that.

Also imagine all the power the president still possesses while in office. All the resources to defend against any criminal trial. Why wouldn't you want to strip that first?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Because Trump as a sitting president is constitutionally immune from indictment while in office.

A Constitutional Puzzle: Can the President Be Indicted?

I agree with this part.

Since the president has the power to control federal prosecutions and to pardon federal offenses, Mr. Bork wrote, it would make no sense to allow the president to be prosecuted until after he is removed from office and forfeits those powers.

Makes no sense to do it otherwise.
 

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
I think the authors of the Constitution meant that Congress must first impeach and remove the president before the Judicial branch can legally get involved. They didn't do a great job of saying it, though.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
Yes, I think I talked myself into reversing my opinion. Still I think it is likely they would be pardoned if convicted. Whereas if you remove them first, it'd be less likely.

I suppose you could remove them afterwards too, but no guarantee congress will do that.

Also imagine all the power the president still possesses while in office. All the resources to defend against any criminal trial. Why wouldn't you want to strip that first?
I do not see how the question of law is justiciable. I agree that the question of whether a court may indict and prosecute a president is as question of law. However this presumes answers to political questions such as what does it mean to "try" a president for impeachment. Moreover it would be impossible to do so without expressing an lack of respect for the legislative branch and their processes, not to mention the executive branch.

This differs from tring judges because the judicial branch would not be showing a lack of respect for any other branch. They would only be throwing a trump card on their own branch.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I do not see how the question of law is justiciable. I agree that the question of whether a court may indict and prosecute a president is as question of law. However this presumes answers to political questions such as what does it mean to "try" a president for impeachment. Moreover it would be impossible to do so without expressing an lack of respect for the legislative branch and their processes, not to mention the executive branch.

This differs from tring judges because the judicial branch would not be showing a lack of respect for any other branch. They would only be throwing a trump card on their own branch.

I agree but I don't see anything that expressly prevents them from doing so. In the same sense however, what's to stop a sitting president from pardoning themselves.

I think Dems were trying to pass a bill to prevent this. That's not going to happen.

So impeach first, take away that power.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Under the circumstances--i.e., the investigation being conducted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller--the question of whether an incumbent President can be indicted and prosecuted for his private criminal acts (acts not undertaken in his official capacity) has become more acute than it normally is. It is an open question, having never been answered by the Court (or any US court). But several legal scholars et al. have chewed on the issue over the years. As Nixon's Solicitor General, Robert Bork gave us the 1973 “Agnew Memo” in which he concluded that a Vice President can be indicted but a President cannot. In the case of the latter, Bork's fall-back argument was that it would be fruitless to indict a sitting President as s/he could always just pardon himself. However, pardoning oneself violates one of the most fundamental legal precepts proscribing judicial conflict of interest, namely that no one can judge a case in which s/he is a party. Nemo judex in causa sua is how you say it in Latin, and we should all say things in Latin as often as possible. If a sitting President being prosecuted or under threat of indictment were to grant himself a pardon, I strongly doubt any court would consider it grounds to halt the legal process. In Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, the Constitution explicitly excludes the presidential pardon in the case of impeachment, and simply never mentions criminal prosecution of the President or any other civil officer prior to impeachment. The provisions of Article I, Section 3, Clause 7 limiting impeachment to removal from office and stipulating that an impeached official is nevertheless “liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law” are readily understood as merely eliminating double jeopardy for prosecutions after impeachment.

The question of presidential immunity from criminal indictment and prosecution similarly became a hot topic during the Clinton years. Yale Law School professors Akhil Reed Amar and Brian Kalt published an article in 1997 advocating that the President uniquely enjoys a temporary privilege from prosecution while in office. Just last week Charlie Savage of the New York Times recovered a very thorough opinion on the subject by the poetically named professor Ronald Rotunda, requested by Independent Counsel Kenneth Star in 1998. Rotunda concluded that “President Clinton is subject to criminal indictment and criminal prosecution, although it may be the case that he could not be imprisoned . . . until after he leaves that office. A criminal prosecution and conviction (with imprisonment delayed) does not, in the words of Nixon v. Sirica, 'compete with the impeachment device by working a constructive removal of the President from office.'”

The argument advanced by Amar and Kalt essentially rests on two standard premises: One, that prosecution of the President would cause an impermissible interference with his ability to perform the necessary duties of the office. (“When . . . the President is being prosecuted, the presidency itself is being prosecuted. [. . .] If he is arrested, so too is the executive branch of the government.”) This article was published just 4 months prior to the Supreme Court's unanimous decision in Clinton v. Jones, in which the Court affirmed the Eighth Circuit's rejection of these arguments from Clinton. Referring to the Eighth Circuit's holding, the syllabus succinctly explains “that the President, like other officials, is subject to the same laws that apply to all citizens, that no case had been found in which an official was granted immunity from suit for his unofficial acts, and that the rationale for official immunity is inapposite where only personal, private conduct by a President is at issue. The [Eighth Circuit] also rejected the argument that, unless immunity is available, the threat of judicial interference with the Executive Branch would violate separation of powers.”

The second premise that Amar and Kalt urge is just a generic separation-of-powers objection with a lemon twist, in which they propose that if the Independent Counsel were part of the DOJ, there wouldn't be a separation-of-powers problem. This renders that premise moot, given that the Independent Counsel statute they refer to has expired, and the office of the Special Counsel is now part of the DOJ.

Rotunda begins with arguments that are powerful in their simplicity. The Constitution's single impeachment clause (Article II, Section 4) lists the President along with the Vice President and “all civil officers of the United States.” It isn't uncommon for judges to be criminally prosecuted before they are impeached. The Constitution gives the President no special immunity in this regard, even while Article I, Section 6 provides members of Congress with specific narrow privilege from arrest (except for treason, felony and breach of peace) when in session, and immunity regarding their speech or debate on the floor. Thus, the Framers obviously knew how to write a provision immunizing officials from prosecution, but did not include such a provision for the President.

These arguments are lifted directly from the DC Appeals Court per curiam in Nixon v. Sirica, holding that the Constitution did not protect Nixon from ordinary court process--he had to turn over the subpoenaed tapes to Archibald Cox's grand jury:

The Constitution makes no mention of special presidential immunities. Indeed, the Executive Branch generally is afforded none. This silence cannot be ascribed to oversight. James Madison raised the question of Executive privileges during the Constitutional Convention,[43] and Senators and Representatives enjoy an express, if limited, immunity from arrest, and an express privilege from inquiry concerning "Speech and Debate" on the floors of Congress.[44] Lacking textual support, counsel for the President nonetheless would have us infer immunity from the President's political mandate, or from his vulnerability to impeachment, or from his broad discretionary powers. These are invitations to refashion the Constitution, and we reject them.

Though the President is elected by nationwide ballot, and is often said to represent all the people,[45] he does not embody the nation's sovereignty.[46] He is not above the law's commands: "With all its defects, delays and inconveniences, men have discovered no technique for long preserving free government except that the Executive be under the law . . .."[47] Sovereignty remains at all times with the people, and they do not forfeit through elections the right to have the law construed against and applied to every citizen.​

Nixon v. Sirica

Of course, the DC court makes clear that it is not reviewing a question as to whether the President is subject to criminal procedure.

Rotunda makes a number of other arguments, including pointing out the basic incoherency or implausiblity of a President having“temporary immunity” from criminal prosecution while in office. Postponing a prosecution for 4 or 8 years is certainly likely to weaken any such prosecution, as memories fade and witnesses die. Such “temporary immunity” would violate the Sixth Amendment guarantee of a speedy trial.

Rotunda's list of criminal prosecutions of chief executives of other countries is also informative. He notes that he was “unable to find any instances where a democracy -- even a democracy that recognizes a King or Queen -- has immunized its Chief Executive Officer from criminal conduct simply because he or she is the Chief Executive Officer.”

So can a sitting President be indicted and prosecuted for his/her unofficial acts?
I voted "no". I think that impeachment and removal from office is necessary before a sitting President can be indicted. And, no, I don't think a sitting President can legally pardon him or herself.
 

Brickjectivity

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Premium Member
I voted "no". I think that impeachment and removal from office is necessary before a sitting President can be indicted. And, no, I don't think a sitting President can legally pardon him or herself.
I have voted 'No' now. The executive branch could be mired in accusations whether true or false, and that could happen to the sitting president, then the vice president and so forth until there was no one to step in. I think that the buck stops at Congress. Congress has to stop the president if they are misbehaving.
 
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