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When the Bible contains obvious falsehood!

BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
PopeADope said:
No, the point I'm making is the statements are obviously false...they don't mean what they say.

I only want the will of God. So often however he won't even let me know His will. So often he wont let people know the truth, which is why we have so many people with opposite beliefs claiming they have the truth.

I want to do God's will. In Jesus name may I constantly do God's will. In Jesus name may I know God's will. In Jesus name may I obey and always serve God.

That is what my prayers are like and I'd expect God to answer such prayers for His will and requests to be his obedient servant.
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The NT says, "Be not foolish, but understand the will of the Lord." Put in modern words, immoral people don't know the will of the Lord as well as righteous people. If you are abstaining from major sin and working on the minor ones, too, you'll know the will of the Lord and you'll walk in it, which is a pleasure!
 
A Vestigial Mote

A Vestigial Mote

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omega2xx said:
Your missing the point. If you say your ideas are better than someone else, you are saying you are smarter than they are.
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I think it is you who is missing my point. Do you, or do you not, believe that your ideas are the best that can be held? Do you only recognize that they are different? Or do you fight or argue for some of your ideas because you believe they are the most "right" that one can be? One does not have to consider themselves "smarter" in order to praise ones ideals over other peoples' within the same subject. All you have to do is believe you are right, and that the other's ideas are less right. Intelligence is only a side note - not even necessarily in play. Why is this so hard to understand or admit to?
 
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omega2xx

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A Vestigial Mote said:
I think it is you who is missing my point. Do you, or do you not, believe that your ideas are the best that can be held? Do you only recognize that they are different? Or do you fight or argue for some of your ideas because you believe they are the most "right" that one can be? One does not have to consider themselves "smarter" in order to praise ones ideals over other peoples' within the same subject. All you have to do is believe you are right, and that the other's ideas are less right. Intelligence is only a side note - not even necessarily in play. Why is this so hard to understand or admit to?
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There is a big difference in me saying my ideas are better than yours than saying my ideas are better than God's.

“All satanic works are performed from the outside inward; all divine works from the inside outward.”
― Watchman Nee
 
A Vestigial Mote

A Vestigial Mote

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omega2xx said:
We won't know unless you giver me some examples.
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Wow... where to start:

  1. The Bible - it's a mess. Start at the beginning... God put two lights in the sky. The story literally says "two lights" and is referring to the sun and the moon. Problem being, the moon isn't a light. In the "new moon" phase it doesn't even put off any light. This is only one piece of many proving that the Bible is nowhere near "perfect", that it was written by men who were ignorant of the facts in their time. Therefore, any "facts" written within its pages are not credible as evidence, and, in fact, damn any "factual" claims it makes to obscurity.
  2. God's supposed "higher" moral order that allows for atrocities either done in His name, or that He is told to have participated in directly. Believers give wholly different accounts of what God is about than does The Bible or God's own supposed actions. This points to any believer's witnessing to be wholly lacking in credibility. Which means that God does not "have their backs". I draw the conclusion that He is not there, not helping them win over society as they suspect or believe.
  3. Prayer works randomly (as one would expect with coincidence), and believers are prone to lying about the effects. I have seen this first hand, having attended many services over time. Healers who take those aside and turn off the mic when the "healing" isn't going to plan because the person being healed isn't willing to lie and "cooperate". Heard stories of people re-growing fingers during some prayer session, only to have the pastor stand up and laud someone whose back trouble supposedly abated. What??? Where's the guy whose finger grew back?! Lies. God is not supporting these people - never has, never will. And yet they are the ones "spreading the word".
  4. God has disappeared - stopped appearing, stopped directly influencing things and making it known - in just the age where humans have begun accurately recording events and history. The biggest coincidence of all time? No. It was just simpler to dupe people before they had access to information.
  5. The universe/Earth is older than the supposed God says it is. Take the light from the stars, for goodness sake. It took literally hundreds of millions of years to get here. If God supposedly created the stars in the same set of days as the Earth however many thousands of years ago, then the light from those stars would still be out there travelling... we wouldn't even perceive them until the light got here. But the light IS here - every day, all day. Which means those stars have been out there for hundreds of millions of years. Period.
  6. Representatives of God have taken advantage of CHILDREN sexually. Do you really believe that God would allow this? Allow those representing Him to enact such atrocities? Look at the accounts in the Old Testament. If God is without fail or error then why did He change? Why does He now allow sins to go unchecked when they are directly attributed to those representing Him, when before He was willing to kill millions just to prove a point about sin in general? Because He isn't there.
  7. God's believers ignore basic logic, draw very limited conclusions that sweepingly ignore facts, and then use their limited knowledge to attempt to inspire or sometimes lecture others on the ways they should live their lives. An example - a woman once told me that she praised Jesus as she stepped out of a grocery store and it stopped raining at that moment - because she had prayed while in the store. Now - taken to the logical next step, what about all of the other believers who may or may not have prayed for that rain to stop, but who got drenched because they left the store in the minutes or hours before her? She didn't consider them. She was too busy stuck in her own little world with Jesus. Again - would God lead someone to witness to me with this little piece of idiotic fantasy? If He is doing so, then He is absolutely terrible at it. Terrible. Or, again... maybe He's just not there.
  8. Homosexuality and I've even been told cross-dressing is considered a sin, and yet God creates intersex human beings quite often. Many times there are "corrective" surgeries performed on babies to force them down one path or another... make them either boy or girl based on which "parts" they have the most complete set of. Many times the "assignment" is incorrect. and the child ends up feeling like they are the other gender. We're not talking about post-pubescents coming out as homosexual here... we're talking about 4-year-olds telling their parents that they aren't a "girl", or aren't a "boy". And some of them do end up having attractions to the same sex, because, obviously, their hormones and genetic make-up is telling them what they should desire. God would basically be salting the field with sinners that He was bound to punish for things He created them with! How horrid is that? I can tell you... completely horrid! Or there's always that alternative... that He's just not there.
These are just the highlights of the list - but I am tired of typing. Just know that every ounce of my intuition tells me God doesn't exist. All of the evidence lines up for me. The reality we experience lines up with God not being out there. When you put God into the mix it only brings up more questions - suddenly nothing makes sense. So much crap is incorrect, claimed out of ignorance, or done with "God" in mind that is just asinine, unnecessary and downright sad. Belief is, more or less, one of the most pathetic things I have witnessed in my life. Sorry I'm not sugar-coating it. I could... but I feel insincere doing so.
 
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thinwhiteduke

Member
Prayer works randomly (as one would expect with coincidence), and believers are prone to lying about the effects. I have seen this first hand, having attended many services over time. Healers who take those aside and turn off the mic when the "healing" isn't going to plan because the person being healed isn't willing to lie and "cooperate". Heard stories of people re-growing fingers during some prayer session, only to have the pastor stand up and laud someone whose back trouble supposedly abated. What??? Where's the guy whose finger grew back?! Lies. God is not supporting these people - never has, never will. And yet they are the ones "spreading the word"
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dumb asses lying to you or themselves doesnt disprove God.
 
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omega2xx

Well-Known Member
A Vestigial Mote said:
Wow... where to start:

  1. The Bible - it's a mess. Start at the beginning... God put two lights in the sky. The story literally says "two lights" and is referring to the sun and the moon. Problem being, the moon isn't a light. In the "new moon" phase it doesn't even put off any light. This is only one piece of many proving that the Bible is nowhere near "perfect", that it was written by men who were ignorant of the facts in their time. Therefore, any "facts" written within its pages are not credible as evidence, and, in fact, damn any "factual" claims it makes to obscurity.

The moon gives light, that makes it a light. It is not the source of the light, but if you do things by it light, it is a light.


  1. God's supposed "higher" moral order that allows for atrocities either done in His name, or that He is told to have participated in directly. Believers give wholly different accounts of what God is about than does The Bible or God's own supposed actions. This points to any believer's witnessing to be wholly lacking in credibility. Which means that God does not "have their backs". I draw the conclusion that He is not there, not helping them win over society as they suspect or believe.
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Unless you know God motives, you can't accurately judge what He does. You don't have the ability to know if our witnessing is lacking credibility.


  1. [*]Prayer works randomly (as one would expect with coincidence), and believers are prone to lying about the effects. I have seen this first hand, having attended many services over time. Healers who take those aside and turn off the mic when the "healing" isn't going to plan because the person being healed isn't willing to lie and "cooperate". Heard stories of people re-growing fingers during some prayer session, only to have the pastor stand up and laud someone whose back trouble supposedly abated. What??? Where's the guy whose finger grew back?! Lies. God is not supporting these people - never has, never will. And yet they are the ones "spreading the word".
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Another thing you can't know, and to bring in faith healers is absurd. Thhe ansser to some prayers is "no" or "later."
  1. God has disappeared - stopped appearing, stopped directly influencing things and making it known - in just the age where humans have begun accurately recording events and history. The biggest coincidence of all time? No. It was just simpler to dupe people before they had access to information.
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Another thing you can't know with certainty.
  1. The universe/Earth is older than the supposed God says it is. Take the light from the stars, for goodness sake. It took literally hundreds of millions of years to get here. If God supposedly created the stars in the same set of days as the Earth however many thousands of years ago, then the light from those stars would still be out there travelling... we wouldn't even perceive them until the light got here. But the light IS here - every day, all day. Which means those stars have been out there for hundreds of millions of years. Period.
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God doesn't say how old the earth is. Its age is not important except to evolutionist need billions of years to try and convince the faithful evolution is possible. How do you know God did not create the universe with the light we now have as already being in place?

Representatives of God have taken advantage of CHILDREN sexually. Do you really believe that God would allow this? Allow those representing Him to enact such atrocities? Look at the accounts in the Old Testament. If God is without fail or error then why did He change? Why does He now allow sins to go unchecked when they are directly attributed to those representing Him, when before He was willing to kill millions just to prove a point about sin in general? Because He isn't there.
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Does God condone or condemn such behavior. Sin is in the world and it needs to be exposed as sin.


God's believers ignore basic logic, draw very limited conclusions that sweepingly ignore facts, and then use their limited knowledge to attempt to inspire or sometimes lecture others on the ways they should live their lives. An example - a woman once told me that she praised Jesus as she stepped out of a grocery store and it stopped raining at that moment - because she had prayed while in the store. Now - taken to the logical next step, what about all of the other believers who may or may not have prayed for that rain to stop, but who got drenched because they left the store in the minutes or hours before her? She didn't consider them. She was too busy stuck in her own little world with Jesus. Again - would God lead someone to witness to me with this little piece of idiotic fantasy? If He is doing so, then He is absolutely terrible at it. Terrible. Or, again... maybe He's just not there.
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Who died and made you the final authority on what is logical? It is really silly and illogical to paint all Christians with the same brush.

Homosexuality and I've even been told cross-dressing is considered a sin, and yet God creates intersex human beings quite often. Many times there are "corrective" surgeries performed on babies to force them down one path or another... make them either boy or girl based on which "parts" they have the most complete set of. Many times the "assignment" is incorrect. and the child ends up feeling like they are the other gender. We're not talking about post-pubescents coming out as homosexual here... we're talking about 4-year-olds telling their parents that they aren't a "girl", or aren't a "boy". And some of them do end up having attractions to the same sex, because, obviously, their hormones and genetic make-up is telling them what they should desire. God would basically be salting the field with sinners that He was bound to punish for things He created them with! How horrid is that? I can tell you... completely horrid! Or there's always that alternative... that He's just not there.
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Where is you evidence that God creates people with any type of orientation. That is a false premise used by homosexual to gaining sympathy and suppo0rt.

These are just the highlights of the list - but I am tired of typing. Just know that every ounce of my intuition tells me God doesn't exist. All of the evidence lines up for me. The reality we experience lines up with God not being out there. When you put God into the mix it only brings up more questions - suddenly nothing makes sense. So much crap is incorrect, claimed out of ignorance, or done with "God" in mind that is just asinine, unnecessary and downright sad. Belief is, more or less, one of the most pathetic things I have witnessed in my life. Sorry I'm not sugar-coating it. I could... but I feel insincere doing so.
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Thanks for exposing your ignorance of God and Christianity. Like you I will not sugar coat it for you. I could but I feel very sincere doing so.
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Reggie Miller

Reggie Miller

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PopeADope said:
So how do I trust what I read in the Bible when I encounter obvious falsehoods?

John 14:13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

John 16:23 In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

Those two statements are obvious falsehood!

Now I'm aware of James 1

"But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. 7For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord".

But here in lies the problem. One of the definitions of insanity is "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I've asked many times for noble graces and virtues to help me serve and obey God, and not received them. I asked in Jesus name without doubting, but when God repeatedly is unfaithful to his word, that is when the doubt starts to set in. If God would be faithful to His Word, I wouldn't doubt.

I know you're reading this Mr. God!! ;)
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There are no falsehoods. Your lack of faith is why you do not believe and why you are not answered to your satisfaction when you ask. You must understand that when you ask something in Jesus' name it will not be done unless it is the will of the Father.

I claim to be no bastion of faith myself and I mean no offense. I am just pointing out the obvious. Whenever you judge God's word it is you who is always in the wrong. Job had to learn this lesson the hard way. Please don't be so stubborn, I rather like you. :)
 
A Vestigial Mote

A Vestigial Mote

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omega2xx said:
The moon gives light, that makes it a light. It is not the source of the light, but if you do things by it light, it is a light.
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God would have known the semantics would be a sticking point for some people (like me!). Saying the moon is "a light" conveys ignorance. The Bible's credibility is what is at stake. Why would God allow this room for error? Why not call it a "great rock"? It has far more utility to the Earth (the tides, which affect winds, which refresh water and land and air alike) beyond "providing light". But.... NONE of that was known when The Bible was written - so it makes sense that the writers would call it "a light". It DOES NOT make sense that God would call it "a light".

omega2xx said:
Unless you know God motives, you can't accurately judge what He does. You don't have the ability to know if our witnessing is lacking credibility.
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I can't accurately judge, this is correct. Which is all the more reason not to follow - not to worship. I am not going to follow a leader I can't properly gauge the activities of. Especially if it is claimed that any action He takes is above reproach. No thanks.

omega2xx said:
Another thing you can't know with certainty. (that God has disappeared)
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The coincidence of "reliable" stories about God stopping as more and more humans are more easily informed is too big too ignore, is what I am saying. At least for me. When was the last time it rained frogs? Water turned to blood? In fact, when was the last time anything of meaning happened that was supernatural in nature and attributable to God alone? I'm not talking about Jesus toast, or some meaningless moment when everyone's vision went wonky and the sky looked funny - or even that it DID rain frogs, but there was no discernible reason or meaning behind it. I'm talking about MEANINGFUL interaction of God with the world.

omega2xx said:
How do you know God did not create the universe with the light we now have as already being in place?
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Maybe He did, but He would have known that the evidence of that light being as old as it would need to be would have contradicted the story of Genesis as He (supposedly) relayed it to the writers of The Bible. He chose to obscure what would have been clear evidence of His existence... why?

omega2xx said:
Who died and made you the final authority on what is logical? It is really silly and illogical to paint all Christians with the same brush.
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I will admit that it was an over-generalization. There are plenty of tepid believers, and people who aren't all that serious about their faith, but still identify as "Christian". But those who take The Bible literally, claim it is inerrant, and then fail to follow all of the principles contained within in their daily lives are automatically failing lines of logical course. You believe in it? You should do it. Period. Especially if you think the punishment is as bad as you claim.

omega2xx said:
Where is you evidence that God creates people with any type of orientation. That is a false premise used by homosexual to gaining sympathy and suppo0rt.
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My evidence? I already gave it! And you wonder why I question the logical and critical thinking ability of those of strong faith. Geez... I'll put it plainly... GOD (provided He exists) CREATES INTERSEX PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. PEOPLE WHOSE PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL BALANCE BETWEEN BEING MALE AND FEMALE IS OFF. THEY ARE LIKE THIS AT BIRTH. WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS?

omega2xx said:
Thanks for exposing your ignorance of God and Christianity. Like you I will not sugar coat it for you. I could but I feel very sincere doing so.
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I've been to church quite a lot. And I can almost guarantee that I have paid better attention to most sermons I have heard than you have to many sermons you have heard. Call me ignorant all you want. My version of "the truth" is what is true to me. You can believe whatever you like - even in the face of all circumstances that scream the contrary.
 
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