Do you believe it's true, when you say it?
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Is Black Lives Matter a Joke?
Do you believe it's true, when you say it?
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Every life matters, so why raise it in the first place, it doesn't make sense.
Because black people's lives are not treated with the same dignity as white people's.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Absolutely. I'm on my phone at work, so I'll elaborate when I get home
psychoslice
Veteran Member
I don't agree, you get treated the way you treat others, many blacks like it or not are criminals, they kill each other more than any other race, you have to deserve respect.
Were this true, it still would not justify discrimination. I like to think that you are insightful enough to realise that, and are only trying to be provocative.
The world's a big place. Still sounds like a generalization, even if a commonly accurate one. I also have some issue with the utility of some of these catch-phrases.
Yeah...So this sounds racist, pure and simple.
I suppose white privilege operates only in some societies, whereas male privilege, straight privilege, cis privilege, able-bodied privilege etc operate pretty much across the board.
I don't think it is applicable to say these are generalisations though - they're components of societal structure, so I don't see that the term applies. But you may well disillusion me of that.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
I am just stating the truth, its nothing to do with hating someone, its simply the truth. BLM is nothing more than racism, one of their war cry's in "oik oik bang bang", and of course this is towards the police, its just not right.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes jump on the old racism bandwagon, its not being black or white or pink that is the problem, its what you do wearing that colour that is the problem, if the figures said the same about whites then, then that is true also.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
So, to expand on my statement regarding financial privilege, it also covers these topics. I qualify for all of these "privileges", and yet I have never once benefited from them; in fact a couple have held me back. Allow me to counter each in turn.
White Privilege
No such thing actually exists. For example, If I commit a minor infraction I cannot use my ethnicity to get out of a ticket or fine. It doesn't help me to get a job - legally, it cannot, though diversity expectations do exist for minorities. Neither is there even a sense of "fellowship" among white people; we really do not have each other's back. Nor do I even get scholarships for my ethnicity, yet minorities do. When there are instances of minorities being targeted or set back, it is not because of their lack of "white privilege". Rather, it is the presence of racist people. And unfortunately, there are quite a lot of racist people out there.
Male Privilege
The same as the above applies to male privilege, only it is the presence of sexist people. Just as with minorities, there are academic programs and benefits to be had for women, but not men. With the supposed "wage gap," I have never once encountered this, even in government jobs. My female co-workers have, rather, advanced quicker than me, been paid the same wages or more, and in both instances done less work comparatively. When hiring, several jobs that I've applied for prefer women (despite my qualifications), and I haven't been hired. More than a few in the town that I live in right now are notorious for not being worth the effort; men can certainly apply, but they'll never be hired.
With straight and non-trans (sorry, I hate the word 'cis') privilege, it is the presence of trans/homophobia.
Finally, this last one is going to sound very calloused. But with the others, there is no such thing as "able-bodied privilege". There is simply not being disabled. You either can do a job, or you can't. You can walk up and down stairs, or you can't. Et cetera.
With all of these, we have the notion that these "privileges" are a negative thing. Guilt to be inflicted on the party being "privileged", and something that they assumedly hold over the under-privileged parties. With instances of racism, sexism, transphobia and homophobia, individuals (or groups) do hold things over subject groups - but not necessarily their opposite (white/male/straight/non-trans) by default.
With those who aren't disabled, however, that's just the issue. They are disabled, which is scientifically a deviation from a scientific norm. With the other parties, there's nothing wrong with them. Call this "able privilege" if one must, but it's incorrect as it's not something granted upon them. It is simply the scientific and operative norm.
If it's not white, black or pink that is the problem, why bring up how blacks are different?
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Because they are the ones who are always complaining Dho.
Who? The black people?
Yeah, that's not a racist comment at all. I'd be interested to know what you actually consider a racist comment...
psychoslice
Veteran Member
I don't believe in racism, if we don't like someone for whatever reason, why bring their race into it, just like you are doing ?.
How am I bringing anyone's race into this? Have you actually READ your own posts?
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Have you ?.
I disagree, but I think there is a large element of truth to this.
I lived in Papua New Guinea, and my white skin (ostensibly) let me walk into almost any club around, regardless of membership. But the same applied to local politicians, visiting rugby players coming home, etc.
My white skin was a marker of wealth, since even a lowly paid white person was incredibly wealthy by local standards.
I was paid $25k USD per annum, whilst local workers were on the equivalent of 15c per hour for a basic labourer.
You can add 'power' to 'wealth', for all that they commonly go hand in hand.
However, no matter how wealthy, white women were not treated very nicely. Better than local women I guess, but not as well as white men. So gender absolutely lent privilege, for all that I wouldn't generally discuss it in such terms.
Yes, indeed I have.
This is racist. There is an indication here that blacks are 'a race' and that many of them are criminals. As I said, I'd be interested to know how you define racism.
And here again, 'they' are the ones who are always complaining. But I'm sure you're not prejudging people based on the colour of their skin, or anything crass like that. It's not YOUR fault that it just happens to be black people who are always whinging criminals.