Jesus is God.

metis · May 15, 2016

Sonofason said:
I disagree. The life I have is exactly the same life that my mother and father had. The sperm that entered my mother's egg never died. The egg my father fertilized never died. This new body of mine is alive. But the life in this new body of mine is exactly the same life that was in my mother and my father before me. Do you not see that I am in the father and the father is in me? We are one life, occupying many bodies.

That in reality doesn't work even by your own words as you refer to your "father" and "mother" using different labels than "I". You are not your mother nor your father even though some of their essence is in you. Nor are you "one life" because, heaven forbid, if one dies, the others don't necessarily do so. Nor is your personality going be exactly the same as theirs because their personalities are assuredly not the same even when compared to each other.

Where there was a mix-up in terminology, I believe, is that the apostles probably believed that Jesus was of God but not God, the concept of which would be understood in Jewish terminology but not necessarily with non-Jews who often were polytheistic in upbringing.

Sonofason · May 15, 2016

firedragon said:
But Jesus was not born of intercourse. He was not sired. No sperm entered anyones egg.

God does say though that "Gods Sperma" or Gods seed will remain in those who keep his commandments, basically. Those who are born of GOd will not continue to sin, and Gods seed will remain in them. (1 John 3:7-10)

I would suggest that life itself does not require intercourse in order to perpetuate itself. In fact, I'm not sure the bodies that are imbued by life require intercourse either. I just don't know for sure...do you?

firedragon · May 15, 2016

Sonofason said:
I would suggest that life itself does not require intercourse in order to perpetuate itself. In fact, I'm not sure the bodies that are imbued by life require intercourse either. I just don't know for sure...do you?

Of course not. A sexual organisms have babes without intercourse.

But we are talking about Jesus. He is Son of God. Just like so many sons of God in the bible, if you are to quote the bible. Again, Those who are born of GOd will not continue to sin, and Gods seed will remain in them. (1 John 3:7-10)

Everyone who keeps Gods commandments are children of God.

Sonofason · May 15, 2016

metis said:
That in reality doesn't work even by your own words as you refer to your "father" and "mother" using different labels than "I". You are not your mother nor your father even though some of their essence is in you. Nor are you "one life" because, heaven forbid, if one dies, the others don't necessarily do so. Nor is your personality going be exactly the same as theirs because their personalities are assuredly not the same even when compared to each other.

Where there was a mix-up in terminology, I believe, is that the apostles probably believed that Jesus was of God but not God, the concept of which would be understood in Jewish terminology but not necessarily with non-Jews who often were polytheistic in upbringing.

"I" am not simply the life that is in me. I includes a body which has many parts. I also include as part of me, my experiences, and my memories. My finger is a part of me. Take away my finger, and I might survive. Take my body from my finger and my finger might still survive. So you are right, my mother is not me, and my father is not me, as you are defining me. But the life that was in my father is exactly the same life that is in me.

Just as my body can survive without a finger, life can survive without you.

Sonofason · May 15, 2016

firedragon said:
Of course not. A sexual organisms have babes without intercourse.

But we are talking about Jesus. He is Son of God. Just like so many sons of God in the bible, if you are to quote the bible. Again, Those who are born of GOd will not continue to sin, and Gods seed will remain in them. (1 John 3:7-10)

Everyone who keeps Gods commandments are children of God.

Indeed, its as if God has given each of us life on a trial basis to see what we would do with it. If we do well, we are considered children of God, and permitted to keep the life that God has given to us. If not, well finders keepers, losers weepers.

paarsurrey · May 15, 2016

firedragon said:
If you speak to a scholar in the hebrew language, he would say that YHWH comes from the word Havah. It means one who exists or literally, he exists. It is not a name.

Many people believe that God is called Yah. As in Halleluyah. Hallel=Praise (Emphatic) and yah=God. Praise God. And they chant it.
Why dont they also chant Mahallalel? Again Hallah=Praise and el=God.

Thats because you have inherited a Dogma and you will make any effort to keep it and protect it. Do you even know? If you didnt should not you question yourself "Why didnt I know"? Why didnt I explore further?

Why would God require a name? Logically speaking?

If there is on man on earth, only one man, why would he require a name. When you say man, you will know who it is. Same way, there one God, one divinity, one deity. He does not require a name.

Arent you curious why the Tetragrammaton is not cited at all in the New Testament? If Yahweh or Jehowah is his personal name, why is it not cited in the NT? But if you read the NWT of the bible you will see the word Jehovah everywhere.

If YHWH is his personal name it should be cited everywhere. If YHWH inspired the writers, why didnt some of them ever use it in their writings?

Why does it matter if God has a name? If God is one, adonai elohainu adonay ekhad, wouldnt he know when you simply say God or lord? Oh, he does not get confused. He pretty much will know what you mean. If he doesnt, he is not almighty.

Cheers.

It is the human who need it. When G-d called Moses by his voice:

[20:12]And when he came to it, he was called by a voice, ‘O Moses,
[20:13]‘Verily, I am thy Lord. So take off thy shoes; for thou art in the sacred Valley of Tuwa.
[20:14]‘And I have chosen thee; so hearken to what is revealed.
[20:15]‘Verily, I am Allah; there is no God beside Me. So serve Me, and observe Prayer for My remembrance.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=20&verse=11

To remove bewilderment of Moses, as to who was talking to him, G-d introduced Himself to Moses with His name which is symbolic of all of his attributes.
Regards

paarsurrey · May 15, 2016

JehovahIsGodAlmighty said:
again, how would you pronounce God's name?

I don't have to pronounce it, G-d has mentioned His name in Quran, so many times.
Please read post #246.
Regards

paarsurrey · May 15, 2016

Brian Schuh said:
The New Testament says there is only one name by which we are saved. There never was a man in history named Jesus. There are many named Jesus, but it is pronounced different. For a long time, most didn't know his name was Yeshua, and most still don't know the "a" is silent. I just can't take a religion seriously that doesn't even know the name of their god and then claims they are saved by that name.

Very good argument indeed.
Regards

paarsurrey · May 15, 2016

Sonofason said:
If the Bible is true, Jesus is God.

It is a big "If", it is corrupted by the scribes/clergy/Church.
Regards

paarsurrey · May 15, 2016

JehovahIsGodAlmighty said: ↑
one question for you, where in the bible (OT or NT) does it say that Jesus is Almighty God? Where in the bible does it say Jesus is the Most high? Give me the scriptures, I really want to see.

Brian Schuh said:
Jesus isn't the Almighty God.

Sure Jesus is no god, just a human being son of Mary, a prophet/messenger of G-d, nothing more.
Regards

firedragon · May 15, 2016

paarsurrey said:
It is the human who need it. When G-d called Moses by his voice:

[20:12]And when he came to it, he was called by a voice, ‘O Moses,
[20:13]‘Verily, I am thy Lord. So take off thy shoes; for thou art in the sacred Valley of Tuwa.
[20:14]‘And I have chosen thee; so hearken to what is revealed.
[20:15]‘Verily, I am Allah; there is no God beside Me. So serve Me, and observe Prayer for My remembrance.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=20&verse=11

To remove bewilderment of Moses, as to who was talking to him, G-d introduced Himself to Moses with His name which is symbolic of all of his attributes.
Regards

Translate it. Verily I am the God, there is no God beside me. SO serve me and observe prayer for my remembrance.

Makes more sense?

If you can translate Ilah, why not Al Ilah?

Inna fee ana allah. La ilaha illa anaa. Its not a name. I have seen people use this verse. Some. But its wrong to say that God introduces himself with a name.

Sonofason · May 15, 2016

paarsurrey said:
It is a big "If", it is corrupted by the scribes/clergy/Church.
Regards

Yes, the IF was for your benefit.

paarsurrey · May 15, 2016

JehovahIsGodAlmighty said:
exactly the point I was trying to prove. Genesis 17:1 says "When Aʹbram was 99 years old, Jehovah appeared to Aʹbram and said to him: “I am God Almighty. Walk before me and prove yourself faultless."
There you have it ladies and gents. Thread closed.

JehovahIsGodAlmighty has lost the argument, simply. Thread once started is not closed except by the moderators.
It is still open, one could see.
Regards

JehovahIsGodAlmighty · May 15, 2016

paarsurrey said:
I don't have to pronounce it, G-d has mentioned His name in Quran, so many times.
Please read post #246.
Regards

so you're saying God's name is God? You referred to the Quran so I'm assuming you were talking about Allah right? Isn't "Allah" an Arabic word that when translated to English mean god? Why belittle our creator like that by referring to him with a title and not his name? When you talk to or about other people do you not use their personal name? How much more so should we use the personal name of God Almighty, our Creator. make sense?

paarsurrey · May 15, 2016

firedragon said:
But Jesus was not born of intercourse. He was not sired. No sperm entered anyones egg.

God does say though that "Gods Sperma" or Gods seed will remain in those who keep his commandments, basically. Those who are born of GOd will not continue to sin, and Gods seed will remain in them. (1 John 3:7-10)

Very good post.
Thanks and regards

paarsurrey · May 15, 2016

firedragon said:
Translate it. Verily I am the God, there is no God beside me. SO serve me and observe prayer for my remembrance.
Makes more sense?
If you can translate Ilah, why not Al Ilah?
Inna fee ana allah. La ilaha illa anaa. Its not a name. I have seen people use this verse. Some. But its wrong to say that God introduces himself with a name.

It is symbolic of all the attributes of G-d, I mentioned it.
Regards

firedragon · May 16, 2016

JehovahIsGodAlmighty said:
so you're saying God's name is God? You referred to the Quran so I'm assuming you were talking about Allah right? Isn't "Allah" an Arabic word that when translated to English mean god? Why belittle our creator like that by referring to him with a title and not his name? When you talk to or about other people do you not use their personal name? How much more so should we use the personal name of God Almighty, our Creator. make sense?

Thats such a hypocritical question mate.

Allah doesnt mean God. It means The God or The Deity. Generic God or Deity is Ilah, in its singular form.

You call God Jehovah. You say thats his personal name. Jehovah comes from YHWH right. YHWH comes from Havah, do you know that?

Thus when you say Jehovah it literally means He Exists. That too has a meaning.

jaybird · May 16, 2016

JehovahIsGodAlmighty said:
so you're saying God's name is God? You referred to the Quran so I'm assuming you were talking about Allah right? Isn't "Allah" an Arabic word that when translated to English mean god? Why belittle our creator like that by referring to him with a title and not his name? When you talk to or about other people do you not use their personal name? How much more so should we use the personal name of God Almighty, our Creator. make sense?

people use titles because our Lord is not a person like us. His name in itself is holy. people respect the name by not using His name, would you really speak to the Lord the same way you would speak to your buddy u go fishing with.

Peter Stone · May 16, 2016

Well Jehovah witness was started by Charles Taze Russell at the end of the 1800s he is a regular guy who has chopped up a KJV Bible moved and removed a couple words here and there to fit his own doctrine then started a bible study group with it and called it the living translation. His watchtower magazine became popular in the 1940s he is just a regular man who changed a bible like King Henry did after massacring the priest cause he threw a tantrum because they said hey couldn't get divorced. Then created the KJV bible. You see this pattern going on with these perverted Bibles

Peter Stone · May 16, 2016

I guess folks aint been looking where there bible come from

Jesus is God.

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