Desert Snake
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Tomato tomahtoDon't worry, Zen is really an offshoot of Theravada anyway.
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The Single Biggest Flaw in Buddhism?
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Leftimies
Dwelling in the Principle
Don't worry, Zen is really an offshoot of Theravada anyway.
*Scratches head*
I'm confused D:
Isn't Zen classified a Mahāyāna discipline? I mean, I also thought it shares more in common with Theravāda than it does with Mahāyāna, but the lineage comes from Mahāyāna right?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Leftimies
Dwelling in the Principle
That's right, I was just teasing.
Damn...and I fell for it like a fool D:
Theravada all the way, dude. Anything that is dissimilar just isn't Bootism. (mispelled on porpoise)
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
The Single Biggest Flaw in Buddhism?
The second flaw ascribed to Buddha by the Buddhists is that he collected alms for his livelihood and made a clan of such beggars.
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The second flaw ascribed to Buddha by the Buddhists is that he collected alms for his livelihood and made a clan of such beggars.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Do you know why he did this? How is that different than someone paying for a mosque and an imam?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I think most religious clergies throughout history have been supported directly or indirectly by the lay community. The impressive thing about the Buddha's monks is that they effectively took a vow of poverty, just owning a bowl and a couple of robes.
ak.yonathan
Active Member
No, I don't think that it's a valid course of action. If you don't agree with the basic tenents of Buddhism than you should abandon it. The Buddha was clear about what needs to be done to escape suffering, and anyone who doesn't follow that teaching is doomed. I think that you are mistaken about karma, a person can change his karma through his thoughts (I won't say action here because in Buddhism it is the motivation that counts).
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
A lot of people have a problem with the lack of soul. Why is that?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I've got plenty of soul, being Irish and all.
But seriously, I often see people trying to smuggle a soul into Buddhism. What is the big deal about an eternal soul? Like they say in the Marines: "Do you want to live forever?"
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raph
Member
This is the biggest flaw in Buddhist theology for me. According to the believe, all forms of existence cause suffering. This is very true for the material life, because our body causes pain and boredom.I've got plenty of soul, being Irish and all.
But seriously, I often see people trying to smuggle a soul into Buddhism. What is the big deal about an eternal soul? Like they say in the Marines: "Do you want to live forever?"
But I found out that not every form of existence causes suffering. For example dreams. I never suffered during a good dream. If there is an afterlife in a spiritual world, it does not need to include suffering.
If eternal life is at least as good as a lucid dream, I want a ticket and refuse to not exist.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Only while ignorance persists.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I like your post, however, I could not understand what I have colored in magenta. Please elaborate your point.
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Oh come on, guys, there are much bigger flaws in Buddhism. Pah, what a bunch of amateurs!
Any internal spiritual advancement made in this life is wiped out? I'd head towards nihilism myself. Not very motivating when life is short and can end at any minute.
However this is not a flaw of much of Buddhism which holds continuation thinking. However, the flaw there is that it is often not clear at all on how that all works
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Yes, it's a tricky question, and there are discussions on Buddhist forums along the lines of "Why bother?"
But this belief (in no continuation) is not a common Buddhist position. It seems from my general studies (not a Buddhist myself) that most Buddhist schools and Buddhists believe in rebirth which involves continuation (but has the flaw as I said in my last post of being unclear).
The 'Why bother?' question really applies only to the 'non-continuation' believing Buddhists. The main such group I encounter seems to be what I call the western Buddhism+materialism group.