Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

savagewind said:

I didn't say that. I said people who keep God's words twisted are vipers and offspring of vipers.

Did Jesus say or did he not say that his words will judge? Whose words? God's words. Trusting in crooked words is putting a crooked judge up to judge.

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I am speaking for that rather than against it.

I am merely going deeper into how it is that they come to sit upon thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19:28 "And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

That is accomplished exactly as you describe.

Matthew 7:5b "... and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

It is all accomplished by living the word that Jesus spoke.

Do you understand the point of Galatians 1:15, savagewind?

If you think that is Paul's natural flesh and blood birth mother's womb, you may think you do, but you don't.

And if that is the case, I would like to share with you how to clearly understand what he said.there at Galatians 1:15.

There will be no guess work involved and it will amaze you as to the implications for what David also meant when speaking of being twisted in his mother's womb.

I can even take you into how to see that the womb Jeremiah was formed in was also that womb of the fleshly Jerusalem and not his natural flesh and blood birth mother as a single verse by itself makes it seem.

Jehovah's Witnesses started to see and then stopped with only seeing what Paul meant at Galatians 1:15. And that is so sad.

Ask Pegg or JayJayDee to explain Galatians 1:15. I bet they can.

I think I never wished to know there are people who believe God is a destroyer and that on the other side there are people for destruction. What I mean is the bad seed who would destroy God's purpose are on the one side and on the other side is God who it is said will destroy them.

It is a no wonder that WAR rules Earth.

Mountain_Climber said:

Do you understand the point of Galatians 1:15, savagewind?

If you think that is Paul's natural flesh and blood birth mother's womb, you may think you do, but you don't.

And if that is the case, I would like to share with you how to clearly understand what he said.there at Galatians 1:15.

There will be no guess work involved and it will amaze you as to the implications for what David also meant when speaking of being twisted in his mother's womb.

I can even take you into how to see that the womb Jeremiah was formed ion was also that womb of the fleshly Jerusalem and not his natural flesh and blood birth mother as a single verse by itself makes it seem.

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Interesting. I do not know what you are saying.

God's Kingdom is a spiritual kingdom imho. I am not concerned with anyone's flesh but my own to see that it does not sin. I can't cause another one to sin or not to sin.

savagewind said:

I think I never wished to know there are people who believe God is a destroyer and that on the other side there are people for destruction. What I mean is the bad seed who would destroy God's purpose are on the one side and on the other side is God who it is said will destroy them.

It is a no wonder that WAR rules Earth.

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Yes indeed. That is absolutely right. And that is caused of us being what we eat. Which is why we need to eat of Christ rather than eating of the lies of that original serpent which have been fed to us through our fathers, beginning with Adam.

savagewind said:

Interesting. I do not know what you are saying.

God's Kingdom is a spiritual kingdom imho. I am not concerned with anyone's flesh but my own to see that it does not sin. I can't cause another one to sin or not to sin.

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Yes, you are right, but many do not see that how it all happens is spiritual, even David's words at Psalms 51:5.

Psalms 51:5 "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me."

A correct understanding of Galatians 1:15 clues us as to how it really works.

I would rather wait for JayJayDee or Pegg to explain Galatians 1:15, because their being able to explain it will convict them for failing to think for themselves and let Paul's words help them to understand the rest of the scripture, like at Psalms 51:5 and Jeremiah 1:5.

savagewind said:

Jesus said "the kingdom of God is in your midst"

For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit Romans 14:17
Isaiah 32:17
The fruit of that righteousness will be peace; its effect will be quietness and confidence forever.
Romans 15:13
May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.
John 18:36
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."
Luke 17:21
nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is in your midst."

Of course, the Kingdom of God was present with Jesus on the earth when he was but now it is heavenly and incorruptible.

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Thank you SW!

You quoted John 18:36
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."

Did Jesus say His kingdom was IN another place or FROM another place?

In your final paragraph, you said,
The kingdom WAS on earth, past tense, but now it is heavenly.

Can you explain what Paul meant in Col. 1:13?

"For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,"

I'm just tring to get you to clarify. I'm not debating.

The mind of the ancient Jew was that one is born essentially dead as Adam became spiritually dead in God's eyes.

Therefore they believed they were being born to life in God's eyes in the womb of the mother Jerusalem.

The New Testament concepts are born of what the Jews believed in that regard. These were not new concepts.

When Nicodemus said, John 3:4 "... How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?", it was not that Nicodemus did not understand the concept but that he knew to be born of Jerusalem's womb one needed to enter into that womb and start as a child."

That is why Jesus said, "Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 18:4

We must be born in that same way to the kingdom which is of heaven.

One cannot judge this by the chaotic opinions of modern Jews who have in reality lost touch with how their father's thought. Yet that is what many have done. Most modern Jews are too proud to let Jesus or Paul or any of the gospel writers teach them how their father's thought.

katiemygirl said:

Thank you SW!

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You're welcome.

You quoted John 18:36
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."

Did Jesus say His kingdom was IN another place or FROM another place?

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In your final paragraph, you said,
The kingdom WAS on earth, past tense, but now it is heavenly.

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There is not past, present and future tense with God.

Can you explain what Paul meant in Col. 1:13?

"For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,"

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The Kingdom isn't past or future or present. It is always present. If someone is brought into it, they can't not always be in it. Once a birth is accomplished it becomes always present. Does that make sense?

I'm just tring to get you to clarify. I'm not debating.

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Is someone listening to me? Haha

24 The God who made the world and all the things in it, being, as he is, Lord of heaven and earth,+ does not dwell in handmade temples;+25 nor is he served by human hands as if he needed anything,+ because he himself gives to all people life and breath+ and all things.26 And he made out of one man+ every nation of men to dwell on the entire surface of the earth,+ and he decreed the appointed times and the set limits of where men would dwell,+27 so that they would seek God, if they might grope for him and really find him,+ although, in fact, he is not far off from each one of us.

28 One of the scribes who had come up and heard them disputing, knowing that he had answered them in a fine way, asked him: “Which commandment is first* of all?”+ 29 Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah* our God is one Jehovah,* 30 and you must love Jehovah* your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul* and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’+ 31 The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’+There is no other commandment greater than these.” 32 The scribe said to him: “Teacher, you spoke well, in line with truth, ‘He is One, and there is no other besides him’;+ 33 and to love him with one’s whole heart, with one’s whole understanding, and with one’s whole strength and to love one’s neighbor as oneself is worth far more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”+34 At this Jesus, discerning that he had answered intelligently, said to him: “You are not far from the Kingdom of God.” But no one had the courage to question him anymore.+

Humans not far from the Kingdom of God.

The Kingdom with its power is accessible to all believers. That means it is come down to Earth. It is here.

It is not accessible to non-believers because a person must reach for it. It is not possible to reach for it if you do not believe it. Correct?

savagewind said:

You're welcome.

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There is not past, present and future tense with God.

The Kingdom isn't past or future or present. It is always present. If someone is brought into it, they can't not always be in it. Once a birth is accomplished it becomes always present. Does that make sense?

Is someone listening to me? Haha

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What is the "Haha"?

Careful that you don't haha yourself out of learning more.

Or did you mean,, "uhha", like in "do you understand?"

By the way, it sounds as if you are mixing half understood things concerning the Hebrew tenses into the Greek, which does not work.

You are, however, right about it being the present tense associated with what you are speaking of.

Mountain_Climber said:

What is the "Haha"?

Careful that you don't haha yourself out of learning more.

Or did you mean,, "uhha", like in "do you understand?"

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LOL. I have posted many thousands of posts in many places and this is the FIRST (memorable) conversation I have had. Isn't that funny?

Is it sad? My flesh thinks it's funny.

savagewind said:

Is it sad? My flesh thinks it's funny.

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Don't let that learned tendency whip you.

As I added to that earlier post, it sounds as if you are mixing half understood things concerning the Hebrew tenses into the Greek, which does not work.

You are, however, right about it being the present tense associated with what you are speaking of.

That happens to be very fortunate.

Now that is a sense of humor.

Mountain_Climber said:

Don't let that learned tendency whip you.

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Thank you.

As I added to that earlier post, it sounds as if you are mixing half understood things concerning the Hebrew tenses into the Greek, which does not work.

You are, however, right about it being the present tense associated with what you are speaking of.

That happens to be very fortunate.

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I want to know what this means.

Now that is a sense of humor.

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I like it. I realize it might be sinning but smiling and laughing fools the flesh into believing it is safe and sound.

savagewind said:

Thank you.

I want to know what this means.

I like it. I realize it might be sinning but smiling and laughing fools the flesh into believing it is safe and sound.

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here is a helpful word from the sources used by the producers of the Bible software program known as Isa2:

Tense - The so-called aorist or indefinite form is really not a tense at all, combining the
marks of both past and future in its composition, unless it may be called a past-future. It
corresponds with the indefinite present, I-WRITE. It is used of all three tenses in Ro.8:30:
He designates beforehand (past), He calls and justifies (present), He glorifies (future).
The past is as ours, I-WROTE.
The present in Greek presents an action as actually under way, and is best rendered by the
English present participle, I-AM- WRITING.
The future is marked by -SHALL- in the first person and -WILL- in the second and third. As
it is a modification of the present it becomes I-SHALL-BE-WRITING, YOU- or he-WILL-BE-
WRITING. The complete of "perfect"tense denotes the state resulting form an action. The
standard is I-HAVE-WRITTEN. English idiom often uses special forms, as, "what you bind on
earth shall be binding (have been bound) in heaven" (Mt.16:19).
The past-complete, or "pluperfect", is I-HAD-WRITTEN.
Voice - The Active and Passive are I-WRITE, it-IS-WRITTEN. The Middle is indicated by
the passive in italics, when it is not involved in the meaning of the word. Actions which
affect the actor, as coming and going, have a special form in Greek. The LEXICON* deals
with each word separately.

Isaa2 is free to download and free to use, by the way.

I understand that. I do not always know how to apply it and for what.

Bible Hub needs no download. I am fearful of downloads. Do they not make my computer heavier?

savagewind said:

I understand that. I do not always know how to apply it and for what.

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here is that download site if you would like to use it:

Download - Interlinear Scripture Analyzer

Yes I am sure you do understand that. That was just not how it sounded.

Shame on you for not being perfect in your wording of things. Haha

Mountain_Climber said:

here is that download site if you would like to use it:

Download - Interlinear Scripture Analyzer

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Bible Hub needs no download. I am fearful of downloads. Do they not make my computer heavier?

savagewind said:

Bible Hub needs no download. I am fearful of downloads. Do they not make my computer heavier?

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Isa2 does embed itself a bit. That is true.

But it is a valuable tool with a much deeper analysis of the texts than most Bible software offers.

It does uninstall quite easily.

I have found that with most software these days I have to fire up with a System Suite OS in order to successfully clear away all the remnants. Once those remnants are gone any decent registry cleaner takes care of the rest. While those remnants remain, no Registry Cleaner will clear those remnants from the registry.

the worst I registry hog I have found is Chrome. It does not uninstall well at all. You think it has but it has also rewritten a huge portion of your registry that most Registry Cleaners have no means of correcting.

I hate Chrome for that reason, as i feel if they would do that they have to be up to no good.