Such a debacle.
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No Evidence for 1st Century Nazareth
- Thread starter godnotgod
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Now there's a mantra a could readily embrace. But I've tried it with outhouse to no avail; I doubt that you'll have any more success here. :no:
outhouse
Atheistically
I read the chapters I need to in my research that have the information Im looking for.
Dingbat
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Ah confirmation bias ahoy!
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It's not a specific issue. You've done this with everything from Mithras to QM. You latch on to only a sole website for information when you like it. Evidence for you seems to be whatever you wish to believe. Hence my question.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
You believe in your sources, I believe in mine.
You present your argument your way; I'll present them mine.
Just because you have a single mss scrap dated earlier than the earliest Pe****ta text right now puts no nail in any coffin.
Anyway, you don't have to xfer to your thread if you don't want to, of course, but I will no longer respond to any posts on this thread as regards Aramaic issues unless related to Yeshu's alleged Eastward travels.
I didn't mention sources. Many of the sources I use you can't even read. I mentioned evidence. Someone posts junk on a blog or forum you happen to like and you buy them over a PhD in any field because you like what they have to say. You think that a word or line says something? To you it doesn't no matter who translates it for you (me, others here, scholars, even google translate). You don't believe sources. You believe what it was you wanted to believe to begin with.
The fact that the Pe****ta copies the Greek text in that it transliterates the Aramaic and then translates it speaks volumes. However, as you can't read Greek, Aramaic, or Syriac and haven't the foggiest what you are talking about you wouldn't know. That's not evidence. That's ignorance.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Mycroft
Ministry of Serendipity
godnotgod
Thou art That
Don't blame me for their decision to bash their heads on anything. That's the problem: they think they can figure it all out with their heads. Not gonna happen.
And stop trying to condescend. It smacks.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Yawn! I am SO fed up with your obviously opportunistic condescension, when it is all just an empty shell rattling in the wind that points back to you in a way you don't really intend.
Hello! Are you in there? Hello?
No one home, folks. Just so much blustering pomposity.
So when 'ya gonna go see yer KeeGong teacher so 'ya kin git some smarts, eh?
godnotgod
Thou art That
(Meanwhile...heh...heh...more delicious morsels of delight under the table for ye children who yearn for the truth that will set you free, a small sweetmeat for the eyes of night.)...
More on Christ as solar deity:
"The Sun of Righteousness will arise with healing in his wings."
This scripture in Malachi is perceived as a reference to the coming messiah, Jesus Christ. In this regard, this clearly solar appellation "Sun of Righteousness" is repeated many times by early Church fathers as being applicable to Christ.
New Testament Solar Imagery
In the Gospel of Luke (1:78), Christ's very advent is depicted as a visitation from the "dayspring on high":
"Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us..."
The word for "dayspring" or "day" in the original Greek is ἀνατολή or anatole, which means "sunrise, east." In reference to this scripture, Rev. Matthew Henry states:
"Christ is the Morning Light, the rising Sun, Mal. 4:2." (Jenkins, 417)
Jesus Christ as the Sun God throughout History
....which is yet more that points to the East as the source of wisdom.....just sayin'...
More on Christ as solar deity:
"The Sun of Righteousness will arise with healing in his wings."
This scripture in Malachi is perceived as a reference to the coming messiah, Jesus Christ. In this regard, this clearly solar appellation "Sun of Righteousness" is repeated many times by early Church fathers as being applicable to Christ.
New Testament Solar Imagery
In the Gospel of Luke (1:78), Christ's very advent is depicted as a visitation from the "dayspring on high":
"Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us..."
The word for "dayspring" or "day" in the original Greek is ἀνατολή or anatole, which means "sunrise, east." In reference to this scripture, Rev. Matthew Henry states:
"Christ is the Morning Light, the rising Sun, Mal. 4:2." (Jenkins, 417)
Jesus Christ as the Sun God throughout History
....which is yet more that points to the East as the source of wisdom.....just sayin'...
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Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
(Meanwhile...heh...heh...more delicious morsels of delight under the table for ye children who yearn for the truth that will set you free, a small sweetmeat for the eyes of night.)...
More on Christ as solar deity:
"The Sun of Righteousness will arise with healing in his wings."
This scripture in Malachi is perceived as a reference to the coming messiah, Jesus Christ. In this regard, this clearly solar appellation "Sun of Righteousness" is repeated many times by early Church fathers as being applicable to Christ.
New Testament Solar Imagery
In the Gospel of Luke (1:78), Christ's very advent is depicted as a visitation from the "dayspring on high":
"Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us..."
The word for "dayspring" or "day" in the original Greek is ἀνατολή or anatole, which means "sunrise, east." In reference to this scripture, Rev. Matthew Henry states:
"Christ is the Morning Light, the rising Sun, Mal. 4:2." (Jenkins, 417)
Jesus Christ as the Sun God throughout History
....which is yet more that points to the East as the source of wisdom.....just sayin'...
The Catholic Church knows this.
godnotgod
Thou art That
The Catholic Church knows this.
Hadn't thought of that, but yes, I was an altar boy and there was this ceremony/procession where the host was removed from the Tabernacle, transferred to the solar monstrance, and then walked around by the priest amongst the congregation for public view.
I just realized I posted in the wrong thread, and hope you don't mind, but am moving this discussion over to the 'Jesus Lost Years in the East' thread.
As he says you are wrong, disagrees fundamentally with your views about academia and the sciences, and (unlike you) has degrees and spent decades studying to obtain graduate degrees, I'd say that hit couldn't matter less if I saw him again for training. You don't rely on evidence as a rule. You find some website by an ex-film student claiming to speak the language of Jesus and that's enough for you. You find youtube videos on quantum mechanics and that's enough for you to say physicists don't understand physics. You have no training, no education, no sources. But now suddenly you want "evidence". Right.
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angellous_evangellous
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They don't read the archaeological reports like idiots.
[Historians don't disqualify evidence based on your ridiculous biases]
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Dingbat
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It does amuse me what some people take at face value around here but then demand evidence when it goes against their favorite blog written by the local nutter at the institute.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Can't tear away from academia, eh? My reference to your instructor has always been as a means of utilizing the breath as a pathway to Higher Consciousness, which academia has zilch to do with. But you don't know that because you ran into a wall with your instructor, and that is because your intellect interferes with your spiritual progress. If your instructor does not recognize the breath as such a pathway, then all his training and credentials are nothing more than fluff and window dressing. Go ahead. Ask him.
You apparently have not looked more closely at the links I provided in which he explains how that is possible. The very fact that he has a published Aramaic Bible says that he knows Aramaic. In addition, the fact that he translates, as one example, 'Word' as 'Manifestation', makes far more sense, and points to his source as being closer to the original meaning than the Greek.
I am surprised that a 'scholar' such as yourself would stoop to glossing over some of the things I've posted, more evidence that you really do need to pay a visit to your instructor so you can learn how to see more accurately, instead of your current myopic view.
Did you note, for example, the two videos I posted by Alan Wallace, who is not only a Buddhist monk, but a professor of physics who is also published?
I have no training, no education? Unlike you, I don't need to prance around the forum making a cheap show of what I know, while using it to condescend to others whose view you enjoy equating with what you think are silly New Age notions. What is unfortunate is that you fail to read these developments as a sign of changes in paradigm. You should pay more attention.
godnotgod
Thou art That
There is no such evidence. Again, we have one small house and some farm implements, a wine press, etc.
No village, no Nazareth.
No 1st century mention of a Nazareth, esoteric or exoteric, ANYWHERE, not even from Josephus, who lived one mile away.
Then, almost half a century later, BANG! Everyone is talking about 'Nazareth'.
Bull!