Not all points of view are equal in terms of worth.
I am not talking about values but about purpose of each and every one
Of you
It is true not all points of view are equal
And it not necessarily one who criticize zakir have valued point of view
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Not all points of view are equal in terms of worth.
I am not talking about values but about purpose of each and every one
Of you
It is true not all points of view are equal
And it not necessarily one who criticize zakir have valued point of view
Examine what Naik says about other religions, and double check with independent sources to see if its accurate.
At least as far as Hinduism goes, what the man says is just laughably wrong.
But I don't recall anyone saying that Muslims follow him over the Qur'an and Hadith, or that he was even remotely on the same level of authority.
Zakir naik source and evidence for contrasting in bible
There are many contrast but I chose one
Will you accept Islam if I convinced you !
I will give you example
Contrasting by saying wine is good and allowed
In same time saying wing is bad and not allowed
# Wine allowed in bible
turning Jesus water to wine and drink it
Ecclesiastes 9:7 ESV / 16 helpful votes
Go, eat your bread with joy, and drink your wine with a merry heart, for God has already approved what you do.
Ecclesiastes 9:7 ESV / 16 helpful votes
Go, eat your bread with joy, and drink your wine with a merry heart, for God has already approved what you do.
Isaiah 5:22 ESV / 7 helpful votes
Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine, and valiant men in mixing strong drink,
# Wine not allowed in bible
Proverbs 20:1 - Wine [is] a mocker, strong drink [is] raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise
Leviticus 10:9 "You and your sons are not to drink wine
1) Genesis 9:20-26 - Noah became drunk; the result was immorality and family trouble.
2) Genesis 19:30-38 - Lot was so drunk he did not know what he was doing; this led to immorality
3) Leviticus 10:9-11 - God commanded priests not to drink so that they could tell the difference between the holy and the unholy.
4) Numbers 6:3 - The Nazarites were told to eat or drink nothing from the grape vine.
5) Deuteronomy 21:20 - A drunken son was stubborn and rebellious.
6) Deuteronomy 29:5-6 - God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.
7) Deuteronomy 32:33 - Intoxicating wine is like the poison of serpents, the cruel venom of asps.
8) Judges 13:4, 7, 14 - Samson was to be a Nazarite for life. His mother was told not to drink wine or strong drink.
9) 1 Samuel 1:14-15 - Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.
10) 1 Samuel 25:32-38 - Nabal died after a drunken spree.
11) 2 Samuel 11:13 - By getting Uriah drunk, David hoped to cover his sin.
12) 2 Samuel 13:28-29 - Amnon was drunk when he was killed.
13) 1 Kings 16:8-10 - The king was drinking himself into drunkenness when he was assassinated
14) 1 Kings 20:12-21 - Ben-Hadad and 32 other kings were drinking when they were attacked and defeated by the Israelites.
15) Esther 1:5-12 - The king gave each one all the drink he wanted. The king was intoxicated when he commanded the queen to come.
16) Psalm 75:8 - The Lords anger is pictured as mixed wine poured out and drunk by the wicked.
17) Proverbs 4:17 - Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.
18) Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.
19) Proverbs 23:19-20 - A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages.
मैत्रावरुणिः;3474870 said:I wrote two posts in the Bhavishya Purana Thread in the HinduDIR regarding this topic. Have you checked them out? You will admire what I wrote. It was one of my first posts here on RF.
That bloody purana... I've never heard it mentioned in any other context other than people claiming it "prophesied" Mohammad.
'Course not.
But there's a difference.
I have my own, personal views on the Aesir and Vanir (the Gods of Asatru), as well as the other beings contained in our lore. These differ from traditional views that are held by other Asatru including many of our ancestors.
Because these views differ, I don't present them as representational of Asatru beliefs, but only of my own beliefs.
In regards to other religions, I make a very strong point to not speak of things I don't know about, so as not to misrepresent. If I think I know, but don't know for sure, I preface a statement with something like "as far as I know", which leaves my statement open to contradiction from actual practitioners, in which case I would retract my statement.
Does Naik do that?
मैत्रावरुणिः;3475201 said:Haha. Read these two posts; you will enjoy them. I show the vibrant flaw in Christian proselytizers as well as Muslim proselytizers such as Zakir when they manipulate the Purana in question (which itself is a fabricated and manipulated purana) in order to persuade Hindus to convert.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3407837-post20.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3408471-post26.html
Because all countries have one leaders
We don't find there is more than one leader for
A country
Thanks. Those are very well-thought out arguments supported with actual links.
No, because I don't follow the Bible, and I'll wager Naik knows absolutely nothing about what I follow.
Well, the Bible is not like the Qur'an, and does not claim that every single word was dictated to someone by God, in any case.
Furthermore, it could easily just be said that wine is a drink to be enjoyed, but not to excess because it can cause violence.
Doesn't matter to me, becasue not only do I not follow the Bible, I don't drink any alcohol.
I know but they Are trying to cover the truth
So how they know which one was god words and which is human ?
Here is absolute words permit wine was not mentioned little
Leviticus 10:9 "You and your sons are not to drink wine
Matthew bible written by Matthew and so the rest
Matthew was not prophet and bible didn't mentioned him
He didn't see Jesus
As we know only the people I mentioned above connected to god
So either Matthew is laying about being bible word of god or he changed
Realiable source
Bible contain miracles like mentioning Noah arch so it is from Allah
And because Matthew didn't see god or talked to him so he changed
Some lines
If Matthew was talked by god it must be mentioned in bible but it doesn't
So there must be another prophet coming after Jesus to correct
That one is prophet Mohammad because there was no prophet after Jesus
Other than Mohammad pbuh
Prophet coming after Jesus
The Lord thy God shall raise up to thee a prophet of thy brethren, like me; him shall ye hear
. 26 Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.
So there prophet coming will honor one other than Jesus
Will talkin g about future
38 Two rebels were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his left. 39 Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads 40 and saying, You who are going to
Two thieves were hanged beside Jesus when the hanged him
Both laugh
Here we see that bible mentioned that both thieves laugh on Jesus but in the next line we
Will see that one of them will laugh and the other advice him not to laugh
So which story happened ?
destroy the temple and build it in three days, save yourself! Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of God! 41 In the same way the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders mocked him. 42 He saved others, they said, but he cant save himself! Hes the king of Israel! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. 43 He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, I am the Son of God. 44 In the same way the rebels who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him.
One laugh only
Luke
39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: Arent you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. Dont you fear God, he said, since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.
If Jesus came to save humanity by killing himself
So we will see that no one will laugh on him
All people must know the fact
Here Jesus running
Why he will run if it was by his intention
20 Wanting to release Jesus, Pilate appealed to them again. 21 But they kept shouting, Crucify him! Crucify him!
Crucify him indicate that Quran is the truth
Because in Quran mentioned that some one was walking
To catch him and kill him
Exaclty the type of misunderstanding that Naik proports:
9 Do not drink wine or strong drink, neither you nor your sons with you, when you come into the tent of meeting, so that you will not dieit is a perpetual statute throughout your generations
So, you're just not supposed to drink wine when you come into the tent of meeting according to the full verse.
Maybe he did or maybe he didn't. Even amateur Biblical scholarship will reveal that we don't actually know the names of the people who wrote the Gosples, and thus we don't know who they are. The names ascribed to them in the titles were put there by later church leaders to establish their authority.
How many times must it be said: the Bible is not the Qur'an, and so must not be read in the same way.
The Qur'an is a single massive work. The Bible, on the other hand, is a collection of Jewish and early Christian writings. There were actually tons of writings that were left out of the final Bible, which were pretty popular.
Bible Luke was called Luke because one who wrote it called Luke
Encyclopedia Britannica...
Saint Luke, (flourished 1st century ad), in Christian tradition, the author of the third Gospel and the ... cadre of itinerant Christian workers, many of whom were teachers and preachers.
Even if it is not Luke so he is not any or prophets because jesus was last one sent by god
also he is not Jesus scholar
If it was one of them so bible must mention such thing
They don't know who wrote bible so they is possibility that bible
We're written by a deceiver
Same concept that argue bible has been changed in some situation
Like I mentioned before giving contrast events
... They're just two stories.
Story for same person
Which story happened
You mean contradictions. That's just a given.I am trying to let you understand what does naik meant by saying there is
Contrast