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Compromising your religion to "keep up with the times"
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Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Amen, Brother Vigil, Amen!Master Vigil said:
Jesus taught us that there were really only TWO laws and that from these two laws everything else could be derived:
1) Love God
2) Love Everyone Else.
The Bible is a Blog about man trying to serve God. Sometimes they got it right, but quite often they didn't! As our understanding of the two laws change, then so does our "religion". Many see change as a compromise and for many that is true. I embrace change as essential to gaining even more understanding of God.
Look at Paul, who became ALL THINGS FOR ALL MEN. Whoa! A chameleon with a purpose: to win as many as possible. There is nothing wrong with that!
Halcyon
Lord of the Badgers
I did, hmmm... i hadn't noticed.NetDoc said:
So, religion can change, but only if someone tells you it has?Aqualung said:
Tell me, why would God change His mind? Surely He would have made all the perfect decisions about how people should live their lives from the beginning?
Aqualung
Tasty
Only if that person is a prophet of God (it's up to you to decide if that person is really a prophet or not).Halcyon said:I did, hmmm... i hadn't noticed.
So, religion can change, but only if someone tells you it has?
He's not changing his mind. He's expanding on what was always on his mind, but what we were too stupid to be able to comprehend earlier.Halcyon said:
Aqualung
Tasty
I don't know enough of the history of what they were doing to make a good statement on that, but I would guess that BY was trying to keep up with the times, and GAS misinterpreted BY's statements as being from God.MidnightBlue said:
Since when did this become a discussion about which prophets were true? All I'm saying, is that if you're a christian, you have no right to change christianity's beliefs unless you are a prophet, and no right to go along with the changes unless you believe you are following a prophet.
Smoke
Done here.
On the contrary, Young specifically condemned "abolitionists from the East," and protested, "What we are trying to do to day is to make the Negro equal with us in all our privilege. My voice shall be against all the day long."Aqualung said:
Not very discerning, for a Prophet.Aqualung said:
The authority you ascribe to prophets makes the discernment of true and false prophets a matter of the utmost importance.Aqualung said:
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Me said:
Well, here is the reference:Halcyon said:I did, hmmm... i hadn't noticed.
I Corinthians 9: 19 Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings. NIV
I approach life decisions more and more by examining the "two". If what I do is out of Love for God and/or Love for others, then COOLNESS! I am FREE from the law in this respect!
Searcher of Light
Member
Compromise is just temporary. What is a compromise one direction for a time shall become the traditional direction in time. What is considered currently a traditional direction was at one time a compromise of religion: the Protestant movement comes to mind.
The key to compromise is the idea that one way is better than another; that someone is more right. I stand with Netdoc in the regard that everyone is equal now: sinners. In other words, no one is more right than another. They just vary in opinion. Religion is opinion, pure and simple. As such, compromising one's religion to keep up with changes is an everyday occurance as new information is learned. What a person holds as dogma one day will change tomarrow because their understanding changes as they continue to live.
Compromising ethical and moral guides, however, is a different matter. The majority of religions have similar ethical and moral guides: love one another, be faithful to spouses, be kind, etc. These common guides exist in most religions because they promote peace, family, and societal stability. To compromise on moral guides is to compromise on societal stability. Trends of morality will appear and fade such as homosexuality acceptance, promiscuity acceptance, etc. They fade because they do not promote stability in life. In time they will reappear as people repeat mistakes.
Religion is about the spiritual and not with physical things. Although it is opinion, the spiritual is the primary focus. As such it has no need to "keep up with the times" because humanity never really changes.
The key to compromise is the idea that one way is better than another; that someone is more right. I stand with Netdoc in the regard that everyone is equal now: sinners. In other words, no one is more right than another. They just vary in opinion. Religion is opinion, pure and simple. As such, compromising one's religion to keep up with changes is an everyday occurance as new information is learned. What a person holds as dogma one day will change tomarrow because their understanding changes as they continue to live.
Compromising ethical and moral guides, however, is a different matter. The majority of religions have similar ethical and moral guides: love one another, be faithful to spouses, be kind, etc. These common guides exist in most religions because they promote peace, family, and societal stability. To compromise on moral guides is to compromise on societal stability. Trends of morality will appear and fade such as homosexuality acceptance, promiscuity acceptance, etc. They fade because they do not promote stability in life. In time they will reappear as people repeat mistakes.
Religion is about the spiritual and not with physical things. Although it is opinion, the spiritual is the primary focus. As such it has no need to "keep up with the times" because humanity never really changes.
Master Vigil
Well-Known Member
Being that jesus died 2000 years ago, and only lives on "in the hearts" of his followers. And each of his followers are different and change. I believe jesus (or simply the concept of jesus) changes. If you can prove the objective existence of jesus being the same now, than I will agree with you. But in the end, it is a subjective concept of jesus that you hold. And things that are subjective differ for each individual, and thus changes.dawny0826 said:
ChrisP
Veteran Member
Frubals to you M_V good point.Master Vigil said:
If Jeff says it, it is his opinion, if Michel says it, it's his opinion. Do we need to add, "in my opinion"to the end of everything we say? Anything that escapes your lips (or your modem) is your opinion or a rendition of someone elses.michel said:Shouldn't you add, "In my opinion "?
Aqualung
Tasty
As I said, I don't know much about past prophets, so I still don't know the context of it.MidnightBlue said:
Untrue. I am just saying that having a prophet is important. I never said that my prophet is the one you must have, so the validity of my prophet has no place in this thread.MidnightBlue said:
