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That's not their reasoning. If I hold to one God, but it's not the God of Abraham, I am not regarded as Muslim. Key words? God of Abraham.

Shuddhasattva said:

That's not their reasoning. If I hold to one God, but it's not the God of Abraham, I am not regarded as Muslim. Key words? God of Abraham.

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I did not mean this is their specific qualification, only in regards to The prophets they claim for islam . In other words Islam will not claim any prophet is muslim if they are poly's and Mohamad's message was not to clear out the poly's in Islam but to clean them out of the pagan religions and win them over to Islam.

Shuddhasattva said:

That's not their reasoning. If I hold to one God, but it's not the God of Abraham, I am not regarded as Muslim. Key words? God of Abraham.

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By the way..May i ask what religion you are?

Hi, this may be late but welcome to RF.

Just be reminded guys that this part of the forum aren't intended for debates, but to welcome new members. If you guys wanna argue on something, why not open a thread about it on the other parts of the forum?

Lady B said:

By the way..May i ask what religion you are?

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Sanatana Dharma - which is commonly, but somewhat erroneously called as "Hinduism." The forums offer a way for people to display their religion right next to their name - I notice you have filled out Christian.

Shuddhasattva said:

Sanatana Dharma - which is commonly, but somewhat erroneously called as "Hinduism." The forums offer a way for people to display their religion right next to their name - I notice you have filled out Christian.

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yes I am christian, and I do see your religion in words, I just didn't know what that means, thankyou for clarifying that it is part of Hinduism. I am completely ignorant about your religion, perhaps I will learn more on this site,I have met some great people thus far. thank you for the welcome!

Just to clarify, Sanatana Dharma is not a part of Hinduism, but rather its proper name. Hinduism is a foreign imposition that has since been internalized by Hindus.

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Lady B said:

Islam believes Mecca is where Abraham built his alter, then the koresh took it over and Mohammad reclaimed it for Islam. The stone was part of the original structure That Abraham and Ishmeal built.as far as your list of polytheistic tribes,I will only answer that They did not claim to be Islamic. Muslims do hold that Abraham was Muslim, However Their reasoning is He held to one God, therefore He must have been Islamic.

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Here is an anti-christian Muslim web page that gives a more complete explanation of what traditional Muslims believe the stone is. The detailed story of how the Kaaba was built by Abraham and his son Ishmael peace be upon them A meteor? That kind of goes hand in hand with the evidence that suggests Allah was originally an astrological God. I'm more interested in your explanation for the pre Elohim idolatry. That suggests the Jews Abrahamic people took one idol among many and declared that on God greater than any other God and that later became the only God.

Here is more on the importance of meteorites in the worship of various religions world wide and through history. It was a very common pagan worship theme. And for those who are Muslim, no I'm not saying the Muslims worship the stone but simply that the stone is part of their worship for Allah. The fact that it is a meteorite used in the worship of a good ascribes some characteristic of astronomy to the Muslim God which would support the evidence discovered of the statues of the moon God and its inference that that God is Allah.

gseeker said:

Here is more on the importance of meteorites in the worship of various religions world wide and through history. It was a very common pagan worship theme. And for those who are Muslim, no I'm not saying the Muslims worship the stone but simply that the stone is part of their worship for Allah. The fact that it is a meteorite used in the worship of a good ascribes some characteristic of astronomy to the Muslim God which would support the evidence discovered of the statues of the moon God and its inference that that God is Allah.

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There we go! Meteorite cults.

There's also some ideas that meteorites trigger both mutations and different selection patterns, as well as unlocking masked mutations already present, in addition to carrying potential quasi-DNA which is integrated through horizontal gene transfer.

Further, there's the idea that one of the primary manifestations of this is the alteration of fungi and plant genes trending towards the hallucinogenic.

... And further, that such proto-DNA updates and "moves towards completion" the DNA we've got here.

Howard V. Hendrix wrote a great scifi book with these premises as a primer.

gseeker said:

Here is more on the importance of meteorites in the worship of various religions world wide and through history. It was a very common pagan worship theme. And for those who are Muslim, no I'm not saying the Muslims worship the stone but simply that the stone is part of their worship for Allah. The fact that it is a meteorite used in the worship of a good ascribes some characteristic of astronomy to the Muslim God which would support the evidence discovered of the statues of the moon God and its inference that that God is Allah.

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Muslims give reverence for this stone but do not worship it. They believe the stone was from heaven not space. After Mohamed had died Abu bakr approached the stone and kissed it, he was reported saying " If I did not see prophet Mohammad kiss it, I would surely not". My own conclusion is that Islam respects the stone and seeks to preserve it for the sake of their prophets reverence to it. Since the time of Mohammad the stone was broken and Muslims ground it up and formed a new stone hence the one now is black and the original was white. This speaks volumes to how they actually view the stone and shows it was not idolatry but respect. At any rate the stone is quite controversial between Islam itself so I haven't begun to know all the facts and myths concerning it.

We should perhaps move this topic to the proper forums ok?

Hello, nice to see you here.