Too many religions

Religion is a desperate blind attempt to understand what cannot be understood or find comfort/hope to help us to carry on through horrible ordeals. So long as humans are unhappy, uncertain, and direction-less, religion will exist. Belief in the supernatural is a psychological phenomenon, and nothing more, IMO. Until the day someone can actually provide solid, physical, convincing, evidence of some kind, there is no good reason or need for me to accept any claims about the supernatural and the extraordinary as being true. Perhaps there is some kind of higher plane of existence or spirit world or something. No one seems to be able to agree on any common characteristics regarding it though. Which is evidence to me that it is all made up and nobody really knows. They're all just guessing, deluded, conning, mistaken, or believe on faith something told to them by others. There may be something, but to claim you know when you really don't is dishonest. The honest answer is there is no evidence to even remotely suggest there is an intelligent creator god that cares about us in any way. None, and I really think that scares people deep down. That we're really all alone in this big, merciless, uncaring universe with no safety net or god looking out for us.

JustWondering said:

One major reason for me, that keeps me from being a theist, is that there are too many religions. People seem to concentrate on one religion with blinders on and ignore everything else. How can a theist look at all the religions they don't belong to, past and present, and not wonder if their religion is just as made up or fictitious as all the religions they don't believe in? What makes today's gods more reasonable and credible than past gods like Zeus, Ra, and Odin? Religion still boils down to people believing incredible claims with zero evidence to support any of it. Additionally, if there was a god that wanted to communicate a message to us, I think it would be capable of doing a much better job of it then sending a middle man to preach it in one corner of the world to one group of people. A true god would be capable of sending multiple prophets to multiple people in the world with the same message at the same time. However, we don't see that.

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The one and true God is not a mythical one in which there no basis for truth and salvation. Although there are many religions out there, there is only one relationship that is central to our eternal destiny. I believe that rests in Jesus Christ, who in John 14:6 stated that "I am the way, the truth and the life, no man cometh unto the Father but by me." Many religions will claim to show you the way, Jesus authoratatively announced I am the way.

blueman said:

The one and true God is not a mythical one in which there no basis for truth and salvation.

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Your god is not a myth? What evidence do you have to convince me or anyone of that? What does this god save you from? Hell? What is it you hope to accomplish by quoting bible verses to non-believers who do not ascribe any authority or credibility to it?

blueman said:

The one and true God is not a mythical one in which there no basis for truth and salvation. Although there are many religions out there, there is only one relationship that is central to our eternal destiny. I believe that rests in Jesus Christ, who in John 14:6 stated that "I am the way, the truth and the life, no man cometh unto the Father but by me." Many religions will claim to show you the way, Jesus authoratatively announced I am the way.

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If your God doesn't exist then there's no basis for any of that. None of it is 'authoritative' at all.

JustWondering said:

Religion is a desperate blind attempt to understand what cannot be understood or find comfort/hope to help us to carry on through horrible ordeals. So long as humans are unhappy, uncertain, and direction-less, religion will exist. Belief in the supernatural is a psychological phenomenon, and nothing more, IMO. Until the day someone can actually provide solid, physical, convincing, evidence of some kind, there is no good reason or need for me to accept any claims about the supernatural and the extraordinary as being true. Perhaps there is some kind of higher plane of existence or spirit world or something. No one seems to be able to agree on any common characteristics regarding it though. Which is evidence to me that it is all made up and nobody really knows. They're all just guessing, deluded, conning, mistaken, or believe on faith something told to them by others. There may be something, but to claim you know when you really don't is dishonest. The honest answer is there is no evidence to even remotely suggest there is an intelligent creator god that cares about us in any way. None, and I really think that scares people deep down. That we're really all alone in this big, merciless, uncaring universe with no safety net or god looking out for us.

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. . . well said . . . religions and all ideological systems serve a human need. They evolved to provide common answers to "the meaning of life." In doing so, they serve the human social-group need for a sense of community and to bring people enough unity that they can cooperate to solve problems common to them all.

When religions, ideologies (or "world-view systems") are outgrown by the growth of knowledge and technology, people still fill the need for them and accept them on faith.


But when they become so old as to be obsolete, they have always been replaced in the past.

blueman said:

The one and true God is not a mythical one in which there no basis for truth and salvation. Although there are many religions out there, there is only one relationship that is central to our eternal destiny. I believe that rests in Jesus Christ, who in John 14:6 stated that "I am the way, the truth and the life, no man cometh unto the Father but by me." Many religions will claim to show you the way, Jesus authoratatively announced I am the way.

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the idea of salvation is a man made concept....

JustWondering said:

Religion is a desperate blind attempt to understand what cannot be understood or find comfort/hope to help us to carry on through horrible ordeals. So long as humans are unhappy, uncertain, and direction-less, religion will exist. .

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Yes, I agree if you are talking about religions that are made up, or the religions that are based on misinterpretations and superstitious.
But the True religion is based on evidence and investigation of Truth, without bias.
In my view, unfortunately most religions have become traditional and people just accept them out of immitation from their forefathers.
Even the Agnostic and Atheism are a form of a religion in my openion, and in my view, it seems that because, some people were unable to find the truth within the popular traditional religions, and perhaps because, in this new Age, the traditional religions appear to be against the science and logic, certain beliefs such as Athism or Agnostiticism appear to be "cool beliefs", while these beliefs also are man-made and there is no reason to believe they are true and have all the answeres. It also seems that, since these religions perhaps do not require obediance to God, or do certain commandments from God, then for the people who do not like rules, seem to be attractive.

"The terms "atheist" (lack of belief in any gods) and "agnostic" (belief in the unknowability of the existence of gods), though specifically contrary to theistic (e.g. Christian, Jewish, and Muslim) religious teachings, do not by definition mean the opposite of "religious". There are religions (including Buddhism and Taoism), in fact, that classify some of their followers as agnostic, atheistic, or nontheistic. The true opposite of "religious" is the word "irreligious". Irreligion describes an absence of any religion; antireligion describes an active opposition or aversion toward religions in general."

Religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is both true and untrue...
It comes from within and can be explained through science as well as mystical religions...
but its all the same truth, the same force, if someone closes their ears to this then whats the point of debating a topic in the first place...
Science explains God to me perfectly...
You go to a yogi and you ask what has always been, they'll say God...
You go to a scientist and ask what has always been they'll say energy...

Im sure you've heard the new age cliche' "We are all One." this is true, it is the only logical end to religious philosophy, we are all the homogeneous energy of God, it is our brains that sees distinctions.
My mom always told me when i was a boy that the world would become enlightened once science and religion meet at the same end....

blueman said:

The one and true God is not a mythical one in which there no basis for truth and salvation. Although there are many religions out there, there is only one relationship that is central to our eternal destiny. I believe that rests in Jesus Christ, who in John 14:6 stated that "I am the way, the truth and the life, no man cometh unto the Father but by me." Many religions will claim to show you the way, Jesus authoratatively announced I am the way.

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Yes Jesus is the way--by listening to him and applying--- but where does the way lead a true follower??? To the Father. yes ones final goal is to be a true servant of Jesus,s Father-- The one Jesus always pointed his followers to. Like at Matt 7:21,, John 5:24, John 17:1-6, The lords prayer, And this wise teaching--Keep on seeking first the kingdom and his( Father) righteousness, and all will be added. Everything Jesus did was in service to the Father-- never did he point his followers to himself except to get to know him, listen to him and apply. If we break down John 17:1-6-- we get this truth--- Jesus was praying to the Father---This means eternal life,Their taking in knowledge( knowing) you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and of the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ--in verse 6 the name is YHWH(Jehovah) --- (and this is a truth Jesus taught about Jehovah--Revelation 3:12)

kjw47 said:

Yes Jesus is the way--by listening to him and applying--- but where does the way lead a true follower??? To the Father. yes ones final goal is to be a true servant of Jesus,s Father-- The one Jesus always pointed his followers to. Like at Matt 7:21,, John 5:24, John 17:1-6, The lords prayer, And this wise teaching--Keep on seeking first the kingdom and his( Father) righteousness, and all will be added. Everything Jesus did was in service to the Father-- never did he point his followers to himself except to get to know him, listen to him and apply. If we break down John 17:1-6-- we get this truth--- Jesus was praying to the Father---This means eternal life,Their taking in knowledge( knowing) you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and of the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ--in verse 6 the name is YHWH(Jehovah) --- (and this is a truth Jesus taught about Jehovah--Revelation 3:12)

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Why do you belief your religion is the TRUE one, and all the hundreds of others are false? Even if you say you had a personal revelation of some kind, how is that evidence of anything? Followers of other religions have revelations too. So thats no help in sorting out which is the TRUE religion. Followers of other religions claim miracles that support their religion. So miracles are no help either in sorting out which is the TRUE religion. All you have to go on really, is faith. Perhaps there is no god. What evidence is there that a god even exists?

kjw47 said:

Yes Jesus is the way--by listening to him and applying--- but where does the way lead a true follower??? To the Father. yes ones final goal is to be a true servant of Jesus,s Father-- The one Jesus always pointed his followers to. Like at Matt 7:21,, John 5:24, John 17:1-6, The lords prayer, And this wise teaching--Keep on seeking first the kingdom and his( Father) righteousness, and all will be added. Everything Jesus did was in service to the Father-- never did he point his followers to himself except to get to know him, listen to him and apply. If we break down John 17:1-6-- we get this truth--- Jesus was praying to the Father---This means eternal life,Their taking in knowledge( knowing) you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and of the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ--in verse 6 the name is YHWH(Jehovah) --- (and this is a truth Jesus taught about Jehovah--Revelation 3:12)

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But He reference Himself as the path to salvation. Through His incarnation, He humbled Himself (Phillipians 2:5-11) and became subordinate to the Father in His role as savior and redeemer of mankind. Jesus divinity is equal to the Father.

Heathen Hammer said:

If your God doesn't exist then there's no basis for any of that. None of it is 'authoritative' at all.

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But He does exist and it is the basis and purpose of our existence.

blueman said:

But He does exist and it is the basis and purpose of our existence.

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correction....your, or rather "my" (as in you blueman)

JustWondering said:

Your god is not a myth? What evidence do you have to convince me or anyone of that? What does this god save you from? Hell? What is it you hope to accomplish by quoting bible verses to non-believers who do not ascribe any authority or credibility to it?

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My desire is to share a central truth to you. God has made His invisible qualities known through morality, beauty, love, nature, the machine that is the human body, this earth and the universe. He did not stop there because He united with us in the flesh in the person of Jesus Christ to serve as an atoning sacrifice for our sins and to show us the essence of God. He lives and I've learn this through an experential relationship with Him. My desire is that you and others will see the central truth that rest in Jesus Christ and if I can plant a seed in that regard it is for His glory.

blueman said:

My desire is to share a central truth to you.

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what makes you think YOUR truth holds any value to anyone else but you?

God has made His invisible qualities known through morality, beauty, love, nature, the machine that is the human body, this earth and the universe.

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to you.

He did not stop there because He united with us in the flesh in the person of Jesus Christ to serve as an atoning sacrifice for our sins and to show us the essence of God. He lives and I've learn this through an experential relationship with Him.

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right, it is YOUR experiential relationship with him

My desire is that you and others will see the central truth that rest in Jesus Christ and if I can plant a seed in that regard it is for His glory.

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my desire is for you to stop pushing YOUR ideas as if it were THE one and only opinion that has any merit...

blueman said:

My desire is to share a central truth to you. God has made His invisible qualities known through morality, beauty, love, nature, the machine that is the human body, this earth and the universe. He did not stop there because He united with us in the flesh in the person of Jesus Christ to serve as an atoning sacrifice for our sins and to show us the essence of God. He lives and I've learn this through an experential relationship with Him. My desire is that you and others will see the central truth that rest in Jesus Christ and if I can plant a seed in that regard it is for His glory.

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So you have no evidence or even a good arguement for your gods existence? Simply claiming your god exists means nothing to me. Like a scientoligists claims likely mean nothing to you.

waitasec said:

what makes you think YOUR truth holds any value to anyone else but you?
to you.


right, it is YOUR experiential relationship with him



my desire is for you to stop pushing YOUR ideas as if it were THE one and only opinion that has any merit...

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I am not saying that no other opinions have merit, but when it comes to the question of one's eternal destiny, it is less plausible for their to be mutlple truths or no truth at all. I believe based on the historicity and circumstantial and archeaological evidence provide a strong basis for Jesus Christ. You don't have to agree with me. That's fine.

blueman said:

But He reference Himself as the path to salvation. Through His incarnation, He humbled Himself (Phillipians 2:5-11) and became subordinate to the Father in His role as savior and redeemer of mankind. Jesus divinity is equal to the Father.

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The trinity translations were mistranslated centuries ago. Jesus clearly said the Father is the only true God at John 17:1-6--Paul taught the same at 1 cor 8:6--- Not to mention that every israelite while serving the true God served a single being God named YHWH(Jehovah). The trinity god is a clever design by satan to mislead those to break Gods #1 commandment on a daily basis. Listen to Jesus he pointed everything to the Father--His God and Father-1 cor 15:24-28

blueman said:

I am not saying that no other opinions have merit,

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yes you are. you realize when you include other people in your ideology you are essentially saying in the scheme of things their ideology is meaningless.

but when it comes to the question of one's eternal destiny, it is less plausible for their to be mutlple truths or no truth at all.

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theres that big BUT again. it is YOUR eternal destiny.

I believe based on the historicity and circumstantial and archeaological evidence provide a strong basis for Jesus Christ. You don't have to agree with me. That's fine.

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mohammed existed as well why shouldn't i adhere to his teachings?

kjw47 said:

The trinity translations were mistranslated centuries ago. Jesus clearly said the Father is the only true God at John 17:1-6--Paul taught the same at 1 cor 8:6--- Not to mention that every israelite while serving the true God served a single being God named YHWH(Jehovah). The trinity god is a clever design by satan to mislead those to break Gods #1 commandment on a daily basis. Listen to Jesus he pointed everything to the Father--His God and Father-1 cor 15:24-28

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Let us make man in our own image (Genesis 1:26) represents a reference to more than one Spiritual being (not angels by the way). The New Testament clearly makes reference to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Let's not get caught up in the word "trinity" in which there is no reference of this word in Scripture. But the spiritual reality of God manifested in three personalities is clearly articulated. Since you quote Paul, what does he make reference to in regards to Jesus in Phillipians 2:5-11?